RC's is RC's view, not mine, I did not state I agree with him.Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:54 pmAnd I've come across many different explanations of what a concept is supposed to be. I suggest you metaphysical mentalists get together and thrash it out. You could try showing your evidence for what a concept is to each other and see whose is bigger than everyone else's.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:48 amPeter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:29 am Not so. It's much more rational to abandon this nomenclaturist delusion that words denote concepts that denote existents. For one thing, it liberates us from the metaphysical delusion that abstract nouns denote things of some kind - whether concepts or existents. (What concept and therefore existent does the word truth denote? And, more basically, what concept and therefore existent does the word hello denote? There are no such things - but the word has a use.)
As usual you are ignorant of many things and is stuck with dogmatism.
Concepts exist as neural patterns and words [whatever agreed upon] are used to track these concepts.
This is why all humans has the inherent concept of a face to facilitate survival and when used wrongly we end up with seeing faces on the moon and everywhere.
If humans do not have a concept of face within their brain, they will not be able to recognize who is enemy and who is friend/kins etc.Pareidolia is the tendency for incorrect perception of a stimulus as an object, pattern or meaning known to the observer, such as seeing shapes in clouds, seeing faces in inanimate objects or abstract patterns, or hearing hidden messages in music. Pareidolia can be considered a subcategory of apophenia.
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It is the same with other a priori concepts and a poteriori concepts which are real neural pattern to identify and recognize empirical objects.
The human brain and mind has two distinct parts, i.e. that which represent sensation [senses, emotions, etc.] and the other is the intellect [thinking, reason].
That which is related to the sensation are necessarily concepts and those that are related and arise within the Understanding [intellect] are ideas. Ideas are faint copies of images from the original sensations. [note Hume definitions of impressions and ideas].
As such the term truth is an idea of the intellect thus not a concept of sensation.
Whether you like it or not, there are neural patterns in your brain that we called concepts which are like blueprints or models of objects.
Marketeers will exploit this inherent neural patterns of concept of the female body [shoulders to hip ratio with curves] into their products used by males to attract male buyers subliminally.
Seemingly the phallus concept is incorporated in female products to attract them subliminally.
Thus concepts do exist they are even exploited in practice.
Oh dear. RC describes concepts thus: 'A concept is nothing more than the identification of that which a word is used to talk about'.
What is wrong with that?And here's your explanation: 'Concepts exist as neural patterns and words [whatever agreed upon] are used to track these concepts.'
It is wrong to you because you are ignorant and have a very shallow and narrow base of knowledge.
As usual you are being very rhetorical as with the above.Or you could all wake up and realise that 'mental words' - such as thought, feeling, idea, concept and mind - are part of our ways of talking about ourselves - and not names of things of any kind whatsoever. That synaptic firing constitutes or produces what we call a thought doesn't mean that a synaptic firing is a thought - that thoughts exist in our brains.
We could equally say that quantum events constitute or produce what we call a thought, so those quantum events are a thought. That's obviously a massive category error.
Yes, a synaptic firing is not a thought.
- Analogy: Note a computer.
There megabytes, gigabytes, terabytes of bytes [equivalent to neurons in the brain] in various computer programs within various types of computers.
The firing between two bytes [bits] will not produce any organized data.
For the computer to produce a word, say "dog" on your computer screen, there have to various conditions, i.e.- if [if [if [if [if....] .. ] .. ] ... ], then print 'dog' on screen.
This will involve the firing loads of bytes from different parts of the computer, not just one or two bytes
The brain is not exactly like a computer, but the programming and logical processing are similar.
The neural algorithm [as programmed naturally] that produce the word 'dog' on your computer screen is similar to 'concepts' in the brain.
As such there is a neural algorithm as a "concept" that represent 'dog_ness' comprising all the necessary qualities of what is a dog and this is held as a potential in the brain.
The concept is sort of rough map or model of 'what is dog' and this is why wolves [undervarious conditions] could be mistaken as a dog by many/some people.
Note the 'rope mistaken as a snake,' 'the 5 blind men and an elephant' are typical examples of the imprecise use of the inherent concepts.
This is why the idea of concept is very useful for artificial intelligence.
- Amazon’s image recognition AI can identify your dog down to its breed
https://nymag.com/promo/sign-up-for-one ... n=ogspromo
Concepts are critical to facilitate survival such that one do not have to analyze in detail whether an object is 100% the object-it-is, especially in emergency situations that require quick reactions in a matter of life or death up to a certain degree.
So concepts exist as a matter of fact which is represented by their specific neural algorithm as programmed naturally.
It is a massive category error to you because you are massively error prone due to ignorance, a shallow and narrow knowledge base.We could equally say that quantum events constitute or produce what we call a thought, so those quantum events are a thought. That's obviously a massive category error.
Quantum-events is not a thought.
But whatever are human mental activities they are reducible to quantum events.
The above exposed your ignorance in the relevant knowledge to deal with the issues on hand.
You ought to review the competence of your knowledge database before you accuse others of making errors, bad arguments, etc.