Trump's failed leadership

[commonsense]

I for one am not omniscient, but I ask you, Veritas, why did conservative Republican pundits, like Rush Limbaugh, predict that with high voter turnout there will never be another Republican elected (to any office)?

[commonsense]

I’d like to backtrack to a couple of things where Veritas & I differed about managers and leaders.

In a strict or proscriptivist sense of the words, managers can be leaders and leaders can be managers. So, that’s 2 points for Veritas and none for Richard.

But from a descriptivist perspective, it might be fair to say that a leader per se is not necessarily a good manager, and a manager per se is not a good leader.

Prescriptively, Trump is both a manager and a leader. Descriptively, he is neither a good manager nor a good leader.

I cite his management of the COVID 19 pandemic with regard to liberating states while advising phased reduction of mitigation as a representative example of his poor managerial judgment.

I cite his thousands of untruths as evidence of his lack of leadership qualities with regard to honesty.

There are many more examples of Trump’s lack of management and leadership skills, of course, but I just selected one of each for sake of discussion here.

[Sculptor]

42,518

DUH.
Where did you get that Breitbart?
It's still early days for Covid 19. Compared to other flu that has already passed.
You should look at New York where things are going badly.
New York has the highest rate of deaths/million pop, outisde San Marino, there is no where else higher. Higher than any other virus ever had.
Where it not for the lockdown that could be repeated across the whole of the USA

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I’d like to backtrack to a couple of things where Veritas & I differed about managers and leaders.

In a strict or proscriptivist sense of the words, managers can be leaders and leaders can be managers. So, that’s 2 points for Veritas and none for Richard.

But from a descriptivist perspective, it might be fair to say that a leader per se is not necessarily a good manager, and a manager per se is not a good leader.

Prescriptively, Trump is both a manager and a leader. Descriptively, he is neither a good manager nor a good leader.

I cite his management of the COVID 19 pandemic with regard to liberating states while advising phased reduction of mitigation as a representative example of his poor managerial judgment.

I cite his thousands of untruths as evidence of his lack of leadership qualities with regard to honesty.

There are many more examples of Trump’s lack of management and leadership skills, of course, but I just selected one of each for sake of discussion here.

'leadership skills' are over-rated. Almost invariably 'great leader' is a synonym for 'mass murderer'.

[henry quirk]

You should look at New York where things are going badly.

You should ask yourself why NY is such a hotspot while other places, almost all other places, are not.

Look at some Johns Hopkins numbers...

New York State Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 19,101

New York County Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 14,887

Nassau County Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 1,390

See the rather large difference between the two counties's totals?

Goin' through the rest of NY State's 62 counties, the numbers get better and better (lower and lower).

Is mitigation keepin' most of NY state's numbers down, or are open subways in NY City keepin' their numbers up?




Where it not for the lockdown that could be repeated across the whole of the USA

I live in Louisiana (Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 1,405).

Here's some numbers for some of the parishes I visit regularly...

Orleans Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 344

Jefferson Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 288

Acadia Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 7

Lafayette Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 17

Iberia Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 21

Vermilion Coronavirus death total as of 4-21-20: 1


In the first week of my state's lockdown, I was good boy. After that first week, I became progressively less good...and so did everyone else. I'm out & about everyday tryin' to make a buck, travelin' to and from all my usual locations ('cept for Orleans). There are a few shuttered businesses, and many open businesses operatin' under restriction, but mostly commerce is happenin' as it always has. In fact, seems to me all essential (and more than a few nonessential) businesses are as busy, if not more, as they were pre-Coronavirus.

Loads of people, like me, are out & about every day, most not wearin' masks or abidin' the six feet rule.

We're filthy, noncompliant, buggers down here and we aren't droppin' dead from a nasty cold.

[henry quirk]

I live in Florida and recently talked to a woman who had moved down here from NY to retire. Apparently, she knows several people who have died from the virus including a few cousins up in NY. It seems like Covid 19 is pretty nasty stuff.

Here's some nastiness for you...

From Johns Hopkins...

Seasonal Flu kills as many as 600,000 folks every friggin' year all over the world. In the U.S. alone, as many as 61,000 folks die from Seasonal Flu. That's 61,000 deaths with a sophisticated, inexpensive inoculation program in place.

Maybe I missed it: did we shut down economies for any Seasonal Flu?

Fu ManFlu has killed approximately 179,000 folks worldwide and approximately 46,000 of those deaths happened in the U.S., and -- as my post above illustrates -- those deaths are extremely localized, unlike flu deaths which are more evenly dispersed. We're relyin' on a haphazard, largely honor-system, method of self-isolation to mitigate the beer virus.

We shut down economies for this.

Is Coronavirus nasty and worrisome? Absolutely.

Is it more so than Seasonal Flu? No, not really.

[henry quirk]

There's nearly 8 billion people livin' right now.

Every year: approximately 58,000,000 people die throughout the world.

From 1-1-20 to 4-22-20: approximately 18,000,000 human being have died throughout the world.

Not a one from the beer virus.

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There's over 300,000,000 livin' in the U.S. right now.

Every year: nearly 3,000,000 of those folks die.

From 1-1-20 to 4-22-20: nearly 900,000 have died in America.

Not a one from the commie cold.

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There's roughly 19,000,000 livin' in New York State.

Every year: over 150,000 New York State citizens die.

From 1-1-20 to 4-22-20: almost 51,000 New York State citizens have died.

Not a one from Wuhan Wallop.

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This is a Death Planet, always has been, always will be: get over it, go back to work, you bums.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Which is clearly BS

Non Sequitur

You are very ignorant.

Mandate: = the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election.

Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process.

DUH.
Just because you keep saying that does not mean that the system is not broken. If a 7 foot gorilla with a machine gun takes up residence in your house, he establishes the right to sleep where he likes. That does not mean its a good thing.

You are way off and giving stupid irrelevant points to counter.

Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process which was agreed by all parties who participated in the election.
There should not be any complains unless the agreed rules were broken.

Even if a real gorilla was elected based on the rules, still there should be no complains if all parties had previously agreed to the election process.

If the system is broken, then it should be corrected for the next election upon consensus of the people via the constitution.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I for one am not omniscient, but I ask you, Veritas, why did conservative Republican pundits, like Rush Limbaugh, predict that with high voter turnout there will never be another Republican elected (to any office)?

It is a prediction, we could never know until it happened.
However you seem to be claiming to be sure of your prediction.

[henry quirk]

...the Constitution provides for remedy.

An amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate...

...or...

...by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

Good luck.

[Sculptor]

You are very ignorant.



Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process.

DUH.
Just because you keep saying that does not mean that the system is not broken. If a 7 foot gorilla with a machine gun takes up residence in your house, he establishes the right to sleep where he likes. That does not mean its a good thing.

You are way off and giving stupid irrelevant points to counter.

Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process which was agreed by all parties who participated in the election.
There should not be any complains unless the agreed rules were broken.

Even if a real gorilla was elected based on the rules, still there should be no complains if all parties had previously agreed to the election process.

If the system is broken, then it should be corrected for the next election upon consensus of the people via the constitution.

Are you so stupid?
The system is broken so that the change is not possible.

[Veritas Aequitas]

DUH.
Just because you keep saying that does not mean that the system is not broken. If a 7 foot gorilla with a machine gun takes up residence in your house, he establishes the right to sleep where he likes. That does not mean its a good thing.

You are way off and giving stupid irrelevant points to counter.

Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process which was agreed by all parties who participated in the election.
There should not be any complains unless the agreed rules were broken.

Even if a real gorilla was elected based on the rules, still there should be no complains if all parties had previously agreed to the election process.

If the system is broken, then it should be corrected for the next election upon consensus of the people via the constitution.

Are you so stupid?
The system is broken so that the change is not possible.

You are the stupid one and a pessimistic moron who is indifferent to improvements.

What is broken at t1 can always be changed for the better for t2 onward.

[Dubious]

What is broken at t1 can always be changed for the better for t2 onward.

That may turn out to be a very dangerous belief. Best not to be too confident in that assumption.

[Sculptor]

You are way off and giving stupid irrelevant points to counter.

Trump won the 2016 election in accordance to the rules as enacted via the Constitutional process which was agreed by all parties who participated in the election.
There should not be any complains unless the agreed rules were broken.

Even if a real gorilla was elected based on the rules, still there should be no complains if all parties had previously agreed to the election process.

If the system is broken, then it should be corrected for the next election upon consensus of the people via the constitution.

Are you so stupid?
The system is broken so that the change is not possible.

You are the stupid one and a pessimistic moron who is indifferent to improvements.

What is broken at t1 can always be changed for the better for t2 onward.

Yes, it can get worse.
And as American embraces tradition, things are less likely to change for the better.
FFS - just listen to yourslef!!! ROLF
You are the one that has the they can like it or lump it attitude, above.
I'm not indifferent to change; but you have shown yourself to be hostile to change.
Whilst it is broken no one has the power to change it.
Try and think about it for 3 seconds.
And it is exactly your attitude that guarantees the perpetuation of the status quo.

[Sculptor]

In the face of 51,000 deaths, the blond moron suggests standing under a light or injecting disinfectant.
What a f u c k i n g embarrassment to the US and to the human race.


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