Trump's failed leadership

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Pot & kettle.

How is that? Don't just make a stupid random comment with nothing to support it. Coward.

2 pots, 2 kettles. In effect the irrational one is calling the other one irrational while at the same time the other one is irrational and is calling the first one irrational.

Pro or con, people seem to be passionate, not necessarily irrational, about objective facts that inform their subjective opinions about Trump.

I.e. both Lace & you, veg.

Sorry. I thought that all that would be evident from just “Pot & kettle”.

But there's nothing to back it up. Where are my 'irrational' comments regarding Trump?

[Veritas Aequitas]

But the rules are broken, and he only ends up with 62,984,828 votes, out of a possible 250,056,000, nearly half did not think enough of either candidate to walk to a polling booth or post a vote.
I figure that's about 25%, not including those not allowed to vote, and homeless; disenfranchised those with no valid ID, who can't get registered.
This does not constitute a mandate.
As Gil Scott Heron used to say " A MANDATE MY ASS"
I supposed someone has to do the job, but such a small turnout should council some sort of humility; not this bull headed and moronic "fire first think maybe later" dictatorship.

The mandate [literally] is conditioned upon the agreed rules of the election process.
The rules are in accordance to the constitution.
If the opposition did not agree to the rules, they should not have participated in the election then.

The current condition anywhere is, not everyone qualified will vote and thus 100% perfection voters is not expected.

It is not to Trump, the one who won the Presidency is the one who has the majority according to the enacted rules of the election.

It is noted only about half of the qualified voters turned out to vote in the 2016 election which is based on the Electoral College System.

If the rules were to change to the Popular Vote System, there is a possibility the voter turned out could be 80% or more. The parties will surely change their strategies to ensure a greater turn out. We cannot be sure who will win in this format.

This is why we cannot conflate the higher number of votes for Hillary within the electoral college system as the "winner" by popularity as claimed by many.

[Sculptor]

But the rules are broken, and he only ends up with 62,984,828 votes, out of a possible 250,056,000, nearly half did not think enough of either candidate to walk to a polling booth or post a vote.
I figure that's about 25%, not including those not allowed to vote, and homeless; disenfranchised those with no valid ID, who can't get registered.
This does not constitute a mandate.
As Gil Scott Heron used to say " A MANDATE MY ASS"
I supposed someone has to do the job, but such a small turnout should council some sort of humility; not this bull headed and moronic "fire first think maybe later" dictatorship.

The mandate [literally] is conditioned upon the agreed rules of the election process.
The rules are in accordance to the constitution.

Which is clearly BS

If the opposition did not agree to the rules, they should not have participated in the election then.


The current condition anywhere is, not everyone qualified will vote and thus 100% perfection voters is not expected.

It is not to Trump, the one who won the Presidency is the one who has the majority according to the enacted rules of the election.

It is noted only about half of the qualified voters turned out to vote in the 2016 election which is based on the Electoral College System.

If the rules were to change to the Popular Vote System, there is a possibility the voter turned out could be 80% or more. The parties will surely change their strategies to ensure a greater turn out. We cannot be sure who will win in this format.

This is why we cannot conflate the higher number of votes for Hillary within the electoral college system as the "winner" by popularity as claimed by many.

Non Sequitur

[Sculptor]

42,518

[henry quirk]

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[commonsense]

How is that? Don't just make a stupid random comment with nothing to support it. Coward.

2 pots, 2 kettles. In effect the irrational one is calling the other one irrational while at the same time the other one is irrational and is calling the first one irrational.

Pro or con, people seem to be passionate, not necessarily irrational, about objective facts that inform their subjective opinions about Trump.

I.e. both Lace & you, veg.

Sorry. I thought that all that would be evident from just “Pot & kettle”.

But there's nothing to back it up. Where are my 'irrational' comments regarding Trump?

(There’s a difference between making irrational comments and being called irrational by someone.)

I interpreted a post by Lacewing as implying that you, and all Trump supporters, were irrational when she asked, “Why do Trump supporters always have to bellow...?”

Granted, I may have inferred more from her post than Lacewing intended, but I thought it would be whimsical to reference the pot-calling-the-kettle-black homily regarding you two.

I only meant to inject a little, apparently tasteless, humor into a hot topic. My apologies to both of you if I have offended.

[Sculptor]

41,316 and counting

Johns Hopkins

Approximate total U.S. Coronavirus deaths: 40,683

Approximate U.S. non-Coronavirus deaths from 1-1-20 to 4-20-20: 858,071

That's an average DAILY death toll of 8580.
Given that nearly 1200 are dying every day of Corona, I'd say that was a massive statistic.
Currently deaths corona account for 1 in 7 deaths, and growing.
Once again you showing a failure of cognition.
What proportion of death due to corona are you going to sit up and take notice of?

[Sculptor]

42,518

You are failing to compare like for like.
Currently despite the lockdown corona accounts for 1/7 of all deaths.
This is unprecedented.

[commonsense]

The mandate [literally] is conditioned upon the agreed rules of the election process.
The rules are in accordance to the constitution.

We get it. According to the rules expressed by the US Constitution, the winner of a presidential election shall be the presidential candidate with the majority of votes from the Electors in the Electoral College.

It is quite honest to say that Mr. Trump won the 2016 presidential election, or that Trump was the winner of that election.

Listen up! It is a fact that a presidential candidate can be the winner of a presidential election without a the support of the majority of voters or of votes cast.

It is also quite honest to say that Donald Trump, although he won the election, did not have the support of the majority of American voters nor the majority of votes cast.

Furthermore, Trump does not enjoy the ongoing support of the majority of citizens who are polled regarding his job approval.

If the rules were to change to the Popular Vote System, there is a possibility the voter turned out could be 80% or more. The parties will surely change their strategies to ensure a greater turn out. We cannot be sure who will win in this format.

Larger turnout always favors the Democrats. That is why it is Republican doctrine to promote legal gerrymandering and legal voter suppression.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

2 pots, 2 kettles. In effect the irrational one is calling the other one irrational while at the same time the other one is irrational and is calling the first one irrational.

Pro or con, people seem to be passionate, not necessarily irrational, about objective facts that inform their subjective opinions about Trump.

I.e. both Lace & you, veg.

Sorry. I thought that all that would be evident from just “Pot & kettle”.

But there's nothing to back it up. Where are my 'irrational' comments regarding Trump?

(There’s a difference between making irrational comments and being called irrational by someone.)

I interpreted a post by Lacewing as implying that you, and all Trump supporters, were irrational when she asked, “Why do Trump supporters always have to bellow...?”

Granted, I may have inferred more from her post than Lacewing intended, but I thought it would be whimsical to reference the pot-calling-the-kettle-black homily regarding you two.

I only meant to inject a little, apparently tasteless, humor into a hot topic. My apologies to both of you if I have offended.

What makes you think I'm a Trump supporter? I don't 'support' any politicians for the sake of it. It's their individual actions that matter. Irrational idiots like Sculptor and Lacewing loathe him and think that this means that everything he says and does is automatically wrong. They are the kind of people who turn politicians into either saints or demons--there are no grey areas with them.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

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He's a fuckwit. He thinks Trump created the virus.

[commonsense]

If the opposition did not agree to the rules, they should not have participated in the election then.

Don’t be ridiculous. They should attempt to change the rules if they don’t agree.

[commonsense]

But there's nothing to back it up. Where are my 'irrational' comments regarding Trump?

(There’s a difference between making irrational comments and being called irrational by someone.)

I interpreted a post by Lacewing as implying that you, and all Trump supporters, were irrational when she asked, “Why do Trump supporters always have to bellow...?”

Granted, I may have inferred more from her post than Lacewing intended, but I thought it would be whimsical to reference the pot-calling-the-kettle-black homily regarding you two.

I only meant to inject a little, apparently tasteless, humor into a hot topic. My apologies to both of you if I have offended.

What makes you think I'm a Trump supporter? I don't 'support' any politicians for the sake of it. It's their individual actions that matter. Irrational idiots like Sculptor and Lacewing loathe him and think that this means that everything he says and does is automatically wrong. They are the kind of people who turn politicians into either saints or demons--there are no grey areas with them.

I see.

I thought everyone was either a Trumper or an anti-Trumper. You are quite advanced to be beyond that.

[henry quirk]

41,316 and counting

Johns Hopkins

Approximate total U.S. Coronavirus deaths: 40,683

Approximate U.S. non-Coronavirus deaths from 1-1-20 to 4-20-20: 858,071

That's an average DAILY death toll of 8580.
Given that nearly 1200 are dying every day of Corona, I'd say that was a massive statistic.
Currently deaths corona account for 1 in 7 deaths, and growing.
Once again you showing a failure of cognition.
What proportion of death due to corona are you going to sit up and take notice of?

You got no perspective: best stay sequestered at home where (you think) it's safe.

Don't forget your mask.

[Lacewing]

I interpreted a post by Lacewing as implying that you, and all Trump supporters, were irrational when she asked, “Why do Trump supporters always have to bellow...?”

Yes, I was exaggerating to have a little fun.

Granted, I may have inferred more from her post than Lacewing intended, but I thought it would be whimsical to reference the pot-calling-the-kettle-black homily regarding you two.

I thought it was fine, and applied to Veggie particularly well.

I only meant to inject a little, apparently tasteless, humor into a hot topic. My apologies to both of you if I have offended.

How courteous of you. You say a lot of really good things.