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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
Did I mention that? You have a habit of 'embellishing' my comments. WHO has supported Chinese reopening of its revolting and dangerous wet markets. That alone is reason enough. What use has it been in all this? It's as 'useful' as the UN in general.
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:31 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
You have to wonder what planet she is on.
LOL
How's your lockdown from the Wuhan virus going? (I don't call it 'China virus' because of the fact that so many viruses have originated from there in recent years that the name could equally apply to one of them).
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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
Taiwan warned WHO about a new virus in China back in December but was ignored (Taiwan is not a member of WHO. Gee. I wonder why). Taiwan has also accused WHO of not sharing information it gave it on prevention methods--something Taiwan has a lot of experience in. Taiwan has one of the lowest rates of death and infection for this virus.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21H1AU
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I'm not arguing that the WHO has made mistakes and that they need to be addressed but Trump is only doing this to try and deflect any criticism that might damage his election xhances. Let's remember his tweet where he praised China' and Xi's response to the virus. Once again he's willing to burn international organizations for his own petty politics which is of no help at all as the last thing we need is less cooperation in the world as we already have China and especially Russia running massive divisive disinformation campaigns designed to undermine faith in our institutions and the ideal of democracy.

I also don't disagree that the Asian countries have been better at dealing with this pandemic but that is because they were hit harder during the last SARS and H5N1 outbreaks and put measures in place for the next time whereas our governments and nations weren't that affected to basically didnt bother preparing even though they had just wargamed that said we were woefully unprepared.
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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:54 pm I'm not arguing that the WHO has made mistakes and that they need to be addressed but Trump is only doing this to try and deflect any criticism that might damage his election xhances. Let's remember his tweet where he praised China' and Xi's response to the virus. Once again he's willing to burn international organizations for his own petty politics which is of no help at all as the last thing we need is less cooperation in the world as we already have China and especially Russia running massive divisive disinformation campaigns designed to undermine faith in our institutions and the ideal of democracy.
Does every comment have to be about whatever political 'side' it suits? THAT is what is wrong with the world today.
And of course the world has always been full of cooperation and selflessness. Having 'faith in our 'institutions' is something to aspire to :lol:
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But your previous comments were exactly the political spin that Trump is putting on the WHO. The WHO has no powers per se and as such has to tread a very fine political line with every nation it tries to deal with and of course will make mistakes.
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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:07 pm But your previous comments were exactly the political spin that Trump is putting on the WHO. The WHO has no powers per se and as such has to tread a very fine political line with every nation it tries to deal with and of course will make mistakes.
Straight reporting is now 'political spin'? WTF? Are you saying that Taiwan is lying?
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Talking about our institutions—Trump has now threatened to shut Congress down. Sounds like the start of a 3rd World junta, does it not?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:05 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
Did I mention that? You have a habit of 'embellishing' my comments. WHO has supported Chinese reopening of its revolting and dangerous wet markets. That alone is reason enough. What use has it been in all this? It's as 'useful' as the UN in general.
I guess you confuse wet markets with wild life markets
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Belinda wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:39 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:05 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
Did I mention that? You have a habit of 'embellishing' my comments. WHO has supported Chinese reopening of its revolting and dangerous wet markets. That alone is reason enough. What use has it been in all this? It's as 'useful' as the UN in general.
I guess you confuse wet markets with wild life markets
Take it up with the world's media then.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:25 pm Talking about our institutions—Trump has now threatened to shut Congress down. Sounds like the start of a 3rd World junta, does it not?
That's one way to insure staying power without having an election.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:25 pm Talking about our institutions—Trump has now threatened to shut Congress down. Sounds like the start of a 3rd World junta, does it not?
He wants to turn the US into a totalitarian dictatorship? I wonder how that will go down :lol:
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:02 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:14 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:57 pm

ROTFLMFHO.

Objective??
And how do you objectively assess cutting funding for WHO in the face of an international health crisis?
In any appraisal of performance one cannot expect perfection.

The above point re stopping funding to WHO will be taken into consideration based on what sort of negatives has resulted from that action.

The US is not that stupid in the PR, it is likely they will divert the withheld funds to help others in need.
DO you seriously think that money directed from WHO to Trump cronies is going to do any good?
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.
Your "ROTFLMFHO" and "funny" is unnecessary and they indicate some sort of subliminal acknowledgement of your internal weakness.
What count are verified sound arguments supported by evidences.

You are jumping to conclusion that the money will go to cronies.
I predicted 'likely'. Because it is politics, it is very common for 'birds of feather' to go together.
BUT as I had stated I prefer to be objective and will rely on the evidence to make the final conclusion whether whatever action is taken thereafter is evil or not.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:05 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:31 am
commonsense wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:31 pm

Trump’s irrationality causes the situation to change unexpectedly. He is not a leader of any kind.
You have to present the whole picture to arrive at your conclusion.
It is irrational to jump to conclusion based on what one feels.
A leader is always prepared, stakes his honor on doing his duty to his constituents, keeping himself morally straight, physically strong and mentally awake, and on helping others at all possible times. A leader is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, knows how to be a follower, is cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. A leader always leads by example. A leader focuses on two valuable priorities: the welfare of his constituents and the accomplishment of their goals. A leader is never self-glorifying, self-centered or self-infatuated. A leader is not narcissistic, pompous or smug. A leader must not be egomaniacal, vain or conceited. A leader has tendencies to be selfless, generous, warm-hearted, beneficent, charitable, altruistic, valorous, gallant, unswerving and reassuring.

Trump is no leader.
A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.
leader = the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.
-Google dictionary
In the case of the President of the USA, his leadership and objectives are defined within his 'signed and agreed' terms of employment.

Before the leader is chosen, his moral character may count.
But after the leader is chosen, his moral characters and other not so pleasant traits are put aside [assumed to be accepted to a degree] and the focus is then on whether the leader can lead the group, organization, or country to the agreed objectives within his terms of employment with his employer.
Most people are not mindful of the above points bolded.

I did extensive and was very into 'leadership theory,'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership
One of the types of leadership is 'Situational Leadership' where the moral character of the leader is not the most critical but rather his abilities to perform "optimally" within the specific situations, note;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadershi ... y_theories
Note this fact and requirement for a leader in the specific situation;
Individuals who take on leadership roles in turbulent situations, such as groups facing a threat or ones in which status is determined by intense competition among rivals within the group, tend to be narcissistic: arrogant, self-absorbed, hostile, and very self-confident.
-wiki


Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:42 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:02 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:14 am
In any appraisal of performance one cannot expect perfection.

The above point re stopping funding to WHO will be taken into consideration based on what sort of negatives has resulted from that action.

The US is not that stupid in the PR, it is likely they will divert the withheld funds to help others in need.
DO you seriously think that money directed from WHO to Trump cronies is going to do any good?
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.
Your "ROTFLMFHO" and "funny" is unnecessary and they indicate some sort of subliminal acknowledgement of your internal weakness.
What count are verified sound arguments supported by evidences.

You are jumping to conclusion that the money will go to cronies.
I predicted 'likely'. Because it is politics, it is very common for 'birds of feather' to go together.
BUT as I had stated I prefer to be objective and will rely on the evidence to make the final conclusion whether whatever action is taken thereafter is evil or not.
34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
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