Trump's failed leadership

How should society be organised, if at all?

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Dubious
Posts: 4637
Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Dubious »

Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 amWhat you could do - but have not - is to furnish this thread with the names of the Inbred emperors that were IN FACT responsible for the decline of Rome. The fact that you have done nothing of the sort speaks volumes.
You fucked up little shit. I can't give you a list of inbred emperors since I don't know if they were in fact "inbred". The word usually gets applied to the pharaohs, I never used it in any context but I'm not so sure if it doesn't apply to you.

Also, there are lists on the internet of all the emperors in each century. The stories and not just the lists, you fucking fool, tells the story of the 5th century as one of near total mismanagement, corruption, in short, a near total lack of the kind of of leadership which would have been critical to meet extraordinary challenges. This isn't my opinion. It's based on a modern reexamination of events written about a thousand times, things Gibbon couldn't have known. To him the prime reason was Christianity when there were far more potent reasons than that.

If a brain-dead shit like you could for a moment revive your frozen brain cells into some action you'd have to ask yourself why did the Eastern Empire flourish during that period being thoroughly Christianized. What would have caused them to flourish at the same time the West went under. Don't strain yourself!
Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 am Worst still you want me to simply reject the analysis of a great scholar like Gibbon in the face of your ignorance.
Where did I imply such a thing you lying little trashcan...oh I mean Hobbes, aka, Sculptor! It would be the height of folly to reject Gibbon because he was indeed a great historian with a style to match. But even Gibbon knew and admitted that some of his assertions were likely to be revised. Put bluntly, you're not intelligent enough to read Gibbon since you've already proven you can't understand simple sentences just as you're not intelligent enough to listen to Mozart.
Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 amYou are a joke
It's actually worse than that! I feel like an idiot having spent any time with a loathsome piece of mud like you.
User avatar
Sculptor
Posts: 8859
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:32 pm

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Sculptor »

Dubious wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 amWhat you could do - but have not - is to furnish this thread with the names of the Inbred emperors that were IN FACT responsible for the decline of Rome. The fact that you have done nothing of the sort speaks volumes.
You fucked up little shit. I can't give you a list of inbred emperors since I don't know if they were in fact "inbred". The word usually gets applied to the pharaohs, I never used it in any context but I'm not so sure if it doesn't apply to you.

Also, there are lists on the internet of all the emperors in each century. The stories and not just the lists, you fucking fool, tells the story of the 5th century as one of near total mismanagement, corruption, in short, a near total lack of the kind of of leadership which would have been critical to meet extraordinary challenges. This isn't my opinion. It's based on a modern reexamination of events written about a thousand times, things Gibbon couldn't have known. To him the prime reason was Christianity when there were far more potent reasons than that.

If a brain-dead shit like you could for a moment revive your frozen brain cells into some action you'd have to ask yourself why did the Eastern Empire flourish during that period being thoroughly Christianized. What would have caused them to flourish at the same time the West went under. Don't strain yourself!
Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 am Worst still you want me to simply reject the analysis of a great scholar like Gibbon in the face of your ignorance.
Where did I imply such a thing you lying little trashcan...oh I mean Hobbes, aka, Sculptor! It would be the height of folly to reject Gibbon because he was indeed a great historian with a style to match. But even Gibbon knew and admitted that some of his assertions were likely to be revised. Put bluntly, you're not intelligent enough to read Gibbon since you've already proven you can't understand simple sentences just as you're not intelligent enough to listen to Mozart.
Sculptor wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:25 amYou are a joke
It's actually worse than that! I feel like an idiot having spent any time with a loathsome piece of mud like you.
You might want to consider that all your silly insults just make you look like a C u N t.
I'm not really bothering to read anything you type beyond the first swear word.
You are still wrong, and still ignorant of history.
Dubious
Posts: 4637
Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Dubious »

Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:28 pm You might want to consider that all your silly insults just make you look like a C u N t.
I'm not really bothering to read anything you type beyond the first swear word.
You are still wrong, and still ignorant of history.
Whatever you say Hobbes. If you have some kind of mental handicap then I apologize for all my insults. If not, then I was far too lenient in describing you.
User avatar
Lacewing
Posts: 6722
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:25 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Lacewing »

Dubious wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:10 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:28 pm You might want to consider that all your silly insults just make you look like a C u N t.
I'm not really bothering to read anything you type beyond the first swear word.
You are still wrong, and still ignorant of history.
Whatever you say Hobbes. If you have some kind of mental handicap then I apologize for all my insults. If not, then I was far too lenient in describing you.
Hobbes, is it really you?

Dubious, you really are going overboard with your style of insults... making you seem like the insane one. They have to be thoughtfully TRUE insights... and they're too erratic and unfocused for that. Just sayin'. :twisted:
User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 13975
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by vegetariantaxidermy »

Lacewing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:01 am
Dubious wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:10 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:28 pm You might want to consider that all your silly insults just make you look like a C u N t.
I'm not really bothering to read anything you type beyond the first swear word.
You are still wrong, and still ignorant of history.
Whatever you say Hobbes. If you have some kind of mental handicap then I apologize for all my insults. If not, then I was far too lenient in describing you.
Hobbes, is it really you?

Dubious, you really are going overboard with your style of insults... making you seem like the insane one. They have to be thoughtfully TRUE insights... and they're too erratic and unfocused for that. Just sayin'. :twisted:
Can't be Hobbes. Hobbes was much nicer :shock:
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:57 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:23 am My approach is professional and objective and it is applicable to whoever is to be appraised fairly with the relevant due process [employment].
ROTFLMFHO.

Objective??
And how do you objectively assess cutting funding for WHO in the face of an international health crisis?
In any appraisal of performance one cannot expect perfection.

The above point re stopping funding to WHO will be taken into consideration based on what sort of negatives has resulted from that action.

The US is not that stupid in the PR, it is likely they will divert the withheld funds to help others in need.
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

commonsense wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:52 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:11 am If I am not mistaken the separation of children and putting them into cages was a blindly follow-on from the past administration.
What is critical here and morally right was corrective steps were taken to change and improve upon criticisms of the practices.
I don't think Trump administration changed the policies.
The Federal Administration changed but the immigration officers were not changed so they carried on as previously.
What is critical is there were changes and improvements upon criticisms.
What’s critical here is that criticism was needed to bring about those changes and improvements.
You need to understand the US President is responsible for whatever that is happening in the USA for which he cannot take direct actions on whatever he wants.
In addition, we cannot expect perfection and humans are fallible and there will be oversight.
Thus what is critical is to accept criticisms and is willing to change for the better.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:11 am Note the then significant reduction in unemployment in all demographics.
Unemployment is deceptive. What we need to know is why any American would need to have more than one job in order to make ends meet.
The point is one has to enable improvements step by step and not expecting to achieve the ideal immediately.
The reduction in unemployment rate during Trump tenure then was very objective.

Since Trump is so fanatical about the unemployment rate, I believe he will do whatever it takes to increase employment rates again after the pandemic is gone.

Note Obama's lameness and resignation,
"we do not expect jobs to come back" and did not do anything urgently to address the issue of jobs lost to China, Mexico and elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKpso3vhZtw
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

commonsense wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:31 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:23 am
commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:34 pm

Sorry. I had missed this post earlier.

I don’t intend to prove any net-negativity on the part of Welch, Lee or Kagame. Their net-polarity does not affect Trump’s.

I also do not care to argue for Trump’s net-negativity. I don’t care for him or his administration even if I am not in the majority or if Trump’s polarity is extremely positive.
From my personal reaction, Trump [brash, narcissistic, egoistic, boorish] is not a likeable person like say Carter, Reagan and the likes.

However at the present, the US circumstances is such that it require a leader of 'Situational Leadership' and Trump [with his warts and all] fit the bill.

My approach is professional and objective and it is applicable to whoever is to be appraised fairly with the relevant due process [employment].
Trump’s irrationality causes the situation to change unexpectedly. He is not a leader of any kind.
You have to present the whole picture to arrive at your conclusion.
It is irrational to jump to conclusion based on what one feels.
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

Lacewing wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:59 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:23 am My approach is professional and objective...
According only to you.

You have not provided an objective appraisal of Trump which considers his impact on the greater good from all angles. You're just stating that your narrow opinions and focus are objective. They are not; they are narrow.
You are the one who is jumping to conclusion so adamantly and bashing Trump on merely the negatives you read from the press and without doing a proper appraisal of Trump's performance and taking into account any positive points at all.

What I am doing mainly it to highlight to you the need to take into account both positive an negative points, weighed them appropriately and present an objective appraisal.

I have NOT presented a FINAL assessment of Trump's performance to date, but taking into some of the major positive points he had achieved to date, Trump is not that totally 'evil' or bad as you portray him to be.
User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 13975
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by vegetariantaxidermy »

He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
User avatar
Sculptor
Posts: 8859
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:32 pm

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Sculptor »

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:14 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:57 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:23 am My approach is professional and objective and it is applicable to whoever is to be appraised fairly with the relevant due process [employment].
ROTFLMFHO.

Objective??
And how do you objectively assess cutting funding for WHO in the face of an international health crisis?
In any appraisal of performance one cannot expect perfection.

The above point re stopping funding to WHO will be taken into consideration based on what sort of negatives has resulted from that action.

The US is not that stupid in the PR, it is likely they will divert the withheld funds to help others in need.
DO you seriously think that money directed from WHO to Trump cronies is going to do any good?
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.
User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 13975
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by vegetariantaxidermy »

No more pointless than giving it to the pointless and useless WHO.
User avatar
Arising_uk
Posts: 12259
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 am

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Arising_uk »

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
User avatar
Sculptor
Posts: 8859
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:32 pm

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by Sculptor »

Arising_uk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am He's witheld funding of WHO, the parasitic, very expensive and pointless lackey of China. He should get points for that.
You really think China is a place where international organisations can just march in and demand access?
You have to wonder what planet she is on.
LOL
commonsense
Posts: 5380
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:38 pm

Re: Trump's failed leadership

Post by commonsense »

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:31 am
commonsense wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:31 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:23 am
From my personal reaction, Trump [brash, narcissistic, egoistic, boorish] is not a likeable person like say Carter, Reagan and the likes.

However at the present, the US circumstances is such that it require a leader of 'Situational Leadership' and Trump [with his warts and all] fit the bill.

My approach is professional and objective and it is applicable to whoever is to be appraised fairly with the relevant due process [employment].
Trump’s irrationality causes the situation to change unexpectedly. He is not a leader of any kind.
You have to present the whole picture to arrive at your conclusion.
It is irrational to jump to conclusion based on what one feels.
A leader is always prepared, stakes his honor on doing his duty to his constituents, keeping himself morally straight, physically strong and mentally awake, and on helping others at all possible times. A leader is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, knows how to be a follower, is cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. A leader always leads by example. A leader focuses on two valuable priorities: the welfare of his constituents and the accomplishment of their goals. A leader is never self-glorifying, self-centered or self-infatuated. A leader is not narcissistic, pompous or smug. A leader must not be egomaniacal, vain or conceited. A leader has tendencies to be selfless, generous, warm-hearted, beneficent, charitable, altruistic, valorous, gallant, unswerving and reassuring.

Trump is no leader.
Post Reply