Reincarnation. Who or what would reincarnate? (explained)

[Dontaskme]

Well of course there is an 'idea' of separation, but obviously there is no actual separation. Ideas, used through words, was how thee 'I' finally BEcame able to KNOW Thy Self.

To know thy self is to know there is no self to be a self except the concept of self pointing to the nothing from which it arises and is known.

A self that does not exist does not finally become a self known. In the same context. How does a self who is not in a hole then have to figure out how to climb out of the hole...there is no HOW involvement here needed. No need to finally become what one always IS and ever will be.

For the sake of communication, I use the word self to express as nearly as I can that sense of something that is absolutely still and silent, which is impersonal and ever constant, and from which all and everything emerges. It is what you are.

It appears to fill everything when the self is no more. There is no one who is aware of it. It is simply "as it is". And now we have again crossed over to a place, which is not comprehensible or expressible in words.

Trying to express silence by filling it up with words is pointless as there is no requirement to do so. Thinking there is is just more concepts obscuring what is always and simply just perfectly "as it is"

So I disagree with AGE once again.


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[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:49 pm
I cannot be known because I is the knowing that cannot be known.

LOL how does that I know that It cannot be known?

Knowing does not know HOW it knows and does not know. Knowing just knows WITHOUT knowing how.
In the same context.. Sleeping just happens by itself, it's not a forced action.

How do you fall asleep? You just let yourself fall asleep. And you don't know HOW you do it.

How do you know you have been asleep? ...you only know upon awaking from sleep when you now know you are not asleep in comparison to being awake.

Knowing you know can only exist in the dream of opposites within the illusory dream of separation, in reality, dreamer and dream are ONE inseparable unitary action.



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[Age]

Well of course there is an 'idea' of separation, but obviously there is no actual separation. Ideas, used through words, was how thee 'I' finally BEcame able to KNOW Thy Self.

To know thy self is to know there is no self to be a self except the concept of self pointing to the nothing from which it arises and is known.

A self that does not exist does not finally become a self known. In the same context. How does a self who is not in a hole then have to figure out how to climb out of the hole...there is no HOW involvement here needed. No need to finally become what one always IS and ever will be.

For the sake of communication, I use the word self to express as nearly as I can that sense of something that is absolutely still and silent, which is impersonal and ever constant, and from which all and everything emerges. It is what you are.

It appears to fill everything when the self is no more. There is no one who is aware of it. It is simply "as it is". And now we have again crossed over to a place, which is not comprehensible or expressible in words.

Trying to express silence by filling it up with words is pointless as there is no requirement to do so.

Why is THEE continually trying so desperately hard, to fill these silent spaces with words, to try to express that IT can not be known nor expressed with words?

Why is it so important for the one known as "dontaskme" to YELL OUT that the One can not be known.

And why, under the label "dontaskme" there is a consistent thinking "others" think there is some 'need'. There is NO 'need' here anywhere. The only 'need' that appears here is the 'need' for the one known as "dontaskme" to keep writing that 'this' can not be expressed or explained with words.

When is the one known as "dontaskme" ever going to accept that 'we' ALREADY KNOW that 'you' believe 'this' can not be expressed and understood with words?

Why does it appear that 'you' are the only one so desperate, and 'needy', in making it known that 'I' can not be known, expressed, nor explained with words?

Why do you have to continually inform us of this?

What is the 'need' to continually express and explain, with words in this silence, that 'I' can not be expressed, explained, nor known with words?

I ALREADY KNOW (in silence) what 'you' so 'needily' keep saying "can not be known".

Thinking there is is just more concepts obscuring what is always and simply just perfectly "as it is"

I already KNOW I am perfect 'as I am'.

Why do 'you' continually 'need' to tell Me, the Knower of ALL things, that I can not know who nor what I am.

Is this because 'you' do not know Who and what 'I' am, yet?

What I write here is, just perfectly "as it is".

So I disagree with AGE once again.
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What do you think you are disagreeing with exactly here?

[Age]

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:49 pm
I cannot be known because I is the knowing that cannot be known.

LOL how does that I know that It cannot be known?

Knowing does not know HOW it knows and does not know. Knowing just knows WITHOUT knowing how.

But I know HOW I know.

Obviously 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand.

In the same context.. Sleeping just happens by itself, it's not a forced action.

Knowing is not a forced action either.

Knowing HOW I know, what I know, (which, by the way, is what you saying and insisting I can not know), is very simple and easy to discover, learn, and understand, indeed.

How do you fall asleep? You just let yourself fall asleep. And you don't know HOW you do it.

How I know how to sleep is from experience and knowledge.

So, I do know HOW I do it. Just like I know HOW I know ALL things, as well. Being the All-Knower I also know HOW I know every thing.

How do you know you have been asleep?


...you only know upon awaking from sleep when you now know you are not asleep in comparison to being awake.

So, even 'you' know HOW you know some things.

Knowing you know can only exist in the dream of opposites within the illusory dream of separation, in reality, dreamer and dream are ONE inseparable unitary action.



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[Dontaskme]

But I know HOW I know.

Obviously 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand.

Seriously, if you say you know...YOU DON'T!

''Knowing'' never claims to know.

So again, I don't agree with your personal principles, time to move on Age and just accept that I will never agree with you because I just don't see this how you see it.

That doesn't make me wrong or you right, or me right and you wrong, we just have different ways of seeing this that's all.

Saying stuff like''.... Obviously 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand....'' JUST BECAUSE I don't see it your way is sardonic and immature.

Bye.



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[Age]

But I know HOW I know.

Obviously 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand.

Seriously, if you say you know...YOU DON'T!

But I do, PERFECTLY "as it is".

''Knowing'' never claims to know.

But It just did.

So again, I don't agree with your personal principles, time to move on Age and just accept that I will never agree with you because I just don't see this how you see it.

I KNOW you do not agree with Me, and never will as 'you' are now.

Why did you NOT know this already?

That doesn't make me wrong or you right, or me right and you wrong, we just have different ways of seeing this that's all.

This is just what I have been saying all along.

This is because I ALREADY KNEW this.

See, I have just been saying that you may see that 'this' can not be explained but because I know that 'this' already can be explained, then that means that you can not logically tell me that I can not know some thing, especially when I already KNOW it.

Saying stuff like''.... Obviously 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand....'' JUST BECAUSE I don't see it your way is sardonic and immature.

Bye.

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And it is thee Truth as well.

By the way I did not say that 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand "JUST BECAUSE" of what you assumed, BUT BECAUSE it is thee Truth of things.

Unless of course 'you' believe you do not have any more to learn at all?

[Dontaskme]

Living Without Knowing How to Live


Living Without Knowing How to Live – The Paradox of Knowing in Not-Knowing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CshhZb94eM

Duration 20mins


''Life takes care of me so I don't have to. It took a while to understand that paradox.''

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[Dontaskme]

The whole of reality is presenting itself seamlessly all at once right now

This is an excellent way to describe it in my opinion as it is very simple and precise

It also includes the collective mental energy of every mind thinking at the same time
It would exist at the same time as all the physical energy of perpetual motion as well

This is the eternal now which has always existed and will always exist while it is also changing all the time
Ones life is but a tiny insignificant piece of this process - hence why I always say I am just passing through

Very good - thank you for that.

''Search the depths of the universe.
Search the depths of the atom.
Search the depths of time, past and future.
The limits of scientific inquiry only show
What Our Separate "I" does not want to accept:
That Our Separate "I" is just an illusion of
Our Particular Vantage Point of Existence.
Our Vantage Point is just one of an infinite number
of Fleeting Vantage Points in space and time
that are all One Existence.''

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[Dontaskme]

By the way I did not say that 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand "JUST BECAUSE" of what you assumed, BUT BECAUSE it is thee Truth of things. ( Well, I just don't agree with that false claim. )

Unless of course 'you' believe you do not have any more to learn at all?

Lets just be CLEAR on the ''what or who'' is it that believes there is more to learn here. And is not what is being discussed at all.
So I do not know why you bother to derail the actual OP with your silly tangent diversions all the time.

There is no being learning HOW to BE...BEING is blindingly self evident and effortlessly BEING.

I'm talking about Being, not learning how to be, no one ever learns how to BE...like learning how to fly a plane which is totally dualistic and not what is being discussed here.



''When we are babies, we think, but we think without a language. Our brain is completely capable of thinking without language. If a human was never taught a language, they would still grow to be an adult, and still think, but without words. We don't need words to think. Actually, much thinking goes on in our mind without words. Words are just a tool that we learn to use for part of our thinking. Most of our thinking, however, is still the thinking that is done without words. But it seems like all our thinking is in words. That may be because the word thinking can only reflect on the word thinking. It is almost impossible for the word thinking to reflect on the non-word thinking for that can't be put into words! It is very likely that the non-word thinking is a far greater percentage of our thinking than word thinking. It is probably the most influencial aspect of "self." Word thinking might only represent a very small percentage of the processing capability of the mind. Our verbal stream of conscious may be just a tiny trickle of our total stream(s) of thought. This greatly limits our knowledge of our true nature. Being limited in words limits our ability to communicate with others as well as ourselves. Sort of the way we'd limit the power of our communication or even ability to think if we could only think and communicate in morse code! No wonder we have such a hard time often understanding ourselves. When a human starts to learn words, it doesn't abandon its ability to think without words. The human just adds that to its wordless thinking ability and begins to think in both words and without words.

The human brain is a parallel processor. There is no single center of consciousness. That is an illusion. There are many thoughts going on in your brain all the time in parallel. Most of them, maybe all but one line of them are non-verbal.''

[surreptitious57]

The limits of scientific inquiry only show What Our Separate I does not want to accept :
That Our Separate I is just an illusion of Our Particular Vantage Point of Existence

We see everything from a first person subjective perspective that creates the illusion of separation
That reality is something OUT THERE - when the actual truth is that we are a part of reality as well
Only when we learn to see everything from a Gods Eye perspective can we actually understand this
Reality is not OUT THERE rather we are IN reality - but even when one does learn this they will still
see everything from the first person subjective perspective and so may easily forget it - I know I do

[surreptitious57]

From the Gods Eye perspective of reality nothing is any more important than anything else as everything is ONE
Therefore human beings are no more or no less important than every other thing experiencing the eternal NOW

[Age]

By the way I did not say that 'you' still have some more things to learn and understand "JUST BECAUSE" of what you assumed, BUT BECAUSE it is thee Truth of things. ( Well, I just don't agree with that false claim. )

Unless of course 'you' believe you do not have any more to learn at all?

Lets just be CLEAR on the ''what or who'' is it that believes there is more to learn here.

Well it is certainly NOT 'I' who is believing here.

And is not what is being discussed at all.
So I do not know why you bother to derail the actual OP with your silly tangent diversions all the time.

But do you know WHY 'you' bothered to continue on, on the derailed track?

There is no being learning HOW to BE...

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE-come?

To me, they learn HOW to BE.

They learn HOW to BE through experiencing and/or observing.

Through the experience of BEing the children beings they learn HOW to BE and BE-come the adult BE-ings of the species human BE-ings.

Unfortunately though, because the way be-ing children are, they have absolutely no say in what they experience and thus learn, so they BE-come adult BE-ings just continually on the wrong path, they being a human being has created, and are continually well-wearing that same old path. Children do not sadly learn HOW to BE-come who they Truly ARE and who they are meant to Truly BE. That is; thee One Spiritual BE-ing God.

BE-cause children can only learn from what they experience, and the have yet to experience where human be-ings are BE-ing the Truly loving BE-ings they ARE meant to BE and want to BE, children, sadly and unfortunately, have also not learned HOW to BE-come what the species human be-ings will eventually BE-come and BE one day, anyway.

BEING is blindingly self evident and effortlessly BEING.

BEING is silently BE-ING, and just waiting for human be-ings to stop be-lieving and start listening to this silent sound of see-ing.

I'm talking about Being, not learning how to be, no one ever learns how to BE...

I just show, with words, otherwise.

like learning how to fly a plane which is totally dualistic and not what is being discussed here.

The reason why people like 'you' are NOT BEING, with thee One BEING, and not Creating what it is ALL-AS-ONE IS. is because you believe you know better. You oppose what BEING actually IS, so you will insist that "others" listen to 'you', and what you 'personally' believe is true, right, and correct. You will NOT let the BEING just BE. 'you' will keep insisting and telling that 'this' can not be expressed and explained in and with words. You will just not let 'things' JUST BE as they Truly ARE. you will do the human being thing and fight for your own beliefs, till the death.

BEING is BEING expressed in and through words.

''When we are babies, we think, but we think without a language.

What do you propose babies think of or about without a language to think in?

Our brain is completely capable of thinking without language.

Is it?

I KNOW the Mind KNOWS things ALREADY, without their being any thought at all. But I am not sure how a brain can think without language.

I know the brain controls the parts of the body to do certain things, but I am not sure how the brain thinks without language.

Hopefully you will elaborate on this and explain how a brain can think without language. Or, is this one of those things, which, coincidentally and conveniently, you propose also can not be explained with language?

If a human was never taught a language, they would still grow to be an adult, and still think, but without words.

What do you propose that you would think about, without words?

By the way, is all of this now that you are saying a "silly tangent diversion to derail the actual OP" or is this just an 'intellectual diversion to derail the actual OP'?

We don't need words to think. Actually, much thinking goes on in our mind without words.

I have absolutely no idea what this thing you say is "our mind" actually is.

Words are just a tool that we learn to use for part of our thinking. Most of our thinking, however, is still the thinking that is done without words.

If you have not elaborated on this further or have not been able to explain this in more detail so far, then could you provide an example of this? Or, is this just a silly question in and of itself?

See, I have no idea yet of how most of human being thinking is the thinking done without words. I have never heard of this phenomenon previously.

But it seems like all our thinking is in words. That may be because the word thinking can only reflect on the word thinking. It is almost impossible for the word thinking to reflect on the non-word thinking for that can't be put into words! It is very likely that the non-word thinking is a far greater percentage of our thinking than word thinking.

I KNOW of 'Universal KNOWING', 'non thought KNOWING', 'Absolute KNOWING', or other sorts of KNOWING, which can be completely unconsciously known, by ALL human beings. But, as soon as this KNOWING becomes known, then it is sub or consciously known in 'thought or thinking', and this be-comes and is knowledge, which is obviously held within thought.

It is probably the most influencial aspect of "self."

I suggest that when you say things like: There is NO "self", then you do not then say there IS "self". As this can be seen as very confusing and contradictory to "others". Although when one holds a belief like; things can not be expressed with words, then they will HAVE TO write very confusingly and contradictory to make sure that your beliefs remain absolutely true, right, and correct.

Word thinking might only represent a very small percentage of the processing capability of the mind.

Only KNOWING and AWARENESS happens from the one and only Mind.

Thinking, with words, happens from the very many human brains.

Our verbal stream of conscious may be just a tiny trickle of our total stream(s) of thought. This greatly limits our knowledge of our true nature. Being limited in words limits our ability to communicate with others as well as ourselves.

This is why I suggest to 'you', human beings, not to look at things from the perspective of the thinking, assuming, and believing brain before just looking at things from the Truly OPEN KNOWING/AWARENESS Mind, first.

'you', human beings, will NEVER see the actual Truth of things while you keep looking from the limited brain ONLY.

Sort of the way we'd limit the power of our communication or even ability to think if we could only think and communicate in morse code! No wonder we have such a hard time often understanding ourselves.

But I have an absolutely Truly easy and simple time understanding and KNOWING thy Self, as well as fully understanding and KNOWING why human beings have a perception of a 'self', which is truly just an illusionary "self".

When a human starts to learn words, it doesn't abandon its ability to think without words. The human just adds that to its wordless thinking ability and begins to think in both words and without words.

But within this body this human being does not think without words.

The human brain is a parallel processor. There is no single center of consciousness. That is an illusion. There are many thoughts going on in your brain all the time in parallel. Most of them, maybe all but one line of them are non-verbal.''

But there is NO 'your' brain. Because that implies there is a 'self', which owns a brain. There is NO 'self' that owns a brain, as this is an extremely severe case of duality, and according to 'you' this is just an illusion.

For your information however, there is a Self, which is One that is completely ALREADY UNDERSTOOD and KNOWN, and so 'all-of-this', including WHY 'you' write things the way you do, can be explained very easily and very simply. Contrary to popular belief, in the days of when this is being written.

[Age]

The limits of scientific inquiry only show What Our Separate I does not want to accept :
That Our Separate I is just an illusion of Our Particular Vantage Point of Existence

We see everything from a first person subjective perspective that creates the illusion of separation
That reality is something OUT THERE - when the actual truth is that we are a part of reality as well
Only when we learn to see everything from a Gods Eye perspective can we actually understand this

This part is very true, from the human being perspective.

But from the BEING's perspective, I do not look from the human being perspective, but can very easily see from that personal subjective perspective as well as so can see where all the flaws are and see why they exist.

Reality is not OUT THERE rather we are IN reality - but even when one does learn this they will still
see everything from the first person subjective perspective and so may easily forget it - I know I do

But the seeing everything only from the first person subjective perspective does not have to be.

I certainly do not see everything from the first person subjective perspective. I look and see from Everything's perspective, or from God's perspective, which is just looking from God's perspective, which is in the spiritual sense from the Mind's Eye, which is able to look at and see ALL things, or Everything.

[Age]

From the Gods Eye perspective of reality nothing is any more important than anything else as everything is ONE
Therefore human beings are no more or no less important than every other thing experiencing the eternal NOW

This is very true, but although human beings are not more nor less important than absolutely any thing else, it is good to note that without the human being, or more correctly without the evolved human brain, which is able to obtain information, store vast amounts of it, and conceptualize, then God, or the Universe, Itself, would not be able to work out and understand Itself, and therefore would not have eventually come to KNOW thy Self, through the human species.

Human beings working out and understanding what the Universe IS, and how It works, is just the Universe, or God, Itself, coming to KNOW its Self, and thus able to BE its True Self.

By the way, all human beings do not reincarnate as their own personal different selves, but each are just a part of thee One True Self, in separated forms because this is HOW the One can BE incarnated in the way so as eventually KNOW and BE, thee Self.

[surreptitious57]

From the Gods Eye perspective of reality nothing is any more important than anything else as everything is ONE
Therefore human beings are no more or no less important than every other thing experiencing the eternal NOW

This is very true but although human beings are not more nor less important than absolutely any thing else it is good to note that without the human being or more correctly without the evolved human brain which is able to obtain information store vast amounts of it and conceptualize then God or the Universe Itself would not be able to work out and understand Itself and therefore would not have eventually come to KNOW thy Self through the human species

The Universe would carry on regardless even if human beings did not have the capability to understand it but they do that in order to understand it for themselves . The Universe itself does not need to know how it works - it just exists . For most of its existence there were no human beings