Reincarnation. Who or what would reincarnate? (explained)

[Age]

This is just MORE EVIDENCE for my claim that you really are NOT understanding what I am saying and meaning here.

AND the above statement is just MORE EVIDENCE AND PROOF that understanding the SELF..
does not come from any apparent so called *(claimed) second hand knowledge* sourced from outside of ones own conscious arena. Rather, knowledge of SELF actually comes directly from it's own self source alone.

This is MORE EVIDENCE and PROOF that you have absolutely NO understanding of what I am saying AND meaning.

Have you ever even just considered what it would be like to ask for clarification first of what it is that I am actually saying and meaning BEFORE you make these obviously WRONG and STUPID assumptions, like you are showing you make here?

I care very little for what you are actually saying, especially when what you are saying just comes across as a jumbled entangled messy word salad that means jack shit to me.

That what I say and mean means "jack shit" to you is extremely OBVIOUS. This is because you have never once even tried to comprehend and understand what I am saying and meaning. All you have ever done is ASSUME, BELIEVE, and CONCLUDE, which the majority of the time is completely and utterly WRONG.

All I hear when I read your words is blah blah blah blah blah, akin to a barking dog.

So, WHY would you talk and converse with a barking dog?

What is it that you want the barking dog to hear and know?

This one here doesn't need to ask for clarification from any other source. This one here has moved beyond the belief structures that is second hand knowledge and is already residing in the clarity of oneness. I don't need nor want any more clarity ok.... I already GET IT

Well it clearly does NOT appear that way.

What is 'IT' that you think or believe you "get"?

This is what you refuse to see, and is why WE are always in disharmony and opposition.

The ONLY disharmony and opposition the 'you' and the 'I' is in here is, the 'you' believes something things cannot be done, whereas the 'I' KNOWS that it can very simply and very easily be done.

Why do you not just accept this and move on.

We ALL-AS-ONE KNOW that the 'you' cannot do that. So, 'I', thee collective One, do not want to hear 'you' telling Me what I can and can not do. Understand?

I do not tell 'you' what you can and can not do. I already accept 'you' can not do what you say you can not do.

Now, if you stopped telling me what I can not do, then there would be no disharmony and no opposition. It really is this simple and this easy.

You Age can join the orchestra any time you want, but you have to leave the fingernail down the chalkboard instrument behind.

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I do whatever I want to do, whenever I want to do it.

Until you STOP telling me what to do and STOP telling me what I can not do, there will remain disharmony and opposition. So, the disharmony and the opposition STOPS, with the 'you'. Understand?

[Age]

me=1579954146 user_id=9490]

There is actually NO you or NO one that has thoughts nor thinks . The actual thoughts or the thinking itself is the you the person within a body . So if ANY of that thinking or those thoughts is contradicted by newer thoughts and thinking then you have to literally let a part of you or that self go which can be a very hard thing to do depending on how much effort or interest has been put into that part of thinking / thought or you

I dont have a problem in letting go because I am doing that already
I avoid holding onto anything any more than is absolutely necessary

Will you provide examples of any thing that you see is "absolutely necessary" to be "held onto"?

That is because this body and this mind are merely passing through

As long as you "hold onto" that, then that will be what is true, right, and correct, for you.

I will not ask you to clarify how what you said here could have any actual real Truth to it, because I know how much effort you need to put into trying your hardest to work out how 'that' could actually fit into the actual Truth of Life. I already KNOW how much you hate this, so I will not ask you any thing here.

I will just allow you to "hold onto" what you see is "absolutely necessary" for you to "hold onto".

[Dontaskme]

And this is WHY you will never be able to explain and understand what ALL-OF-THIS actually IS.

That's right because any knowledge of what ALL-OF-THIS actually IS - is not what thought thinks it is.

There is no knowledge of anything without association via a conceptual belief structure. What thought puts there.

What all of this actually is is already prior to any thought about it, therefore thought is an artificial overlay upon nothing.

SO THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN OR UNDERSTAND. You do not need to petition God. You are God. God is ONE

I'll keep on repeating this to you until you are able to move on from your imagined conceptually formed claim to fame who likes to blame.


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[Age]

And this is WHY you will never be able to explain and understand what ALL-OF-THIS actually IS.

That's right because any knowledge of what ALL-OF-THIS actually IS - is not what thought thinks it is.

I KNOW, and that is WHY I ALREADY KNOW ALL-OF-THIS.

I do NOT use thought to look at and see things. I use KNOWING, which is VERY DIFFERENT. If you LOOK AT and SEE the descriptions in the words, then 'you' would have ALREADY KNOWN this Truth and FACT, ALREADY also.

The very reason the 'you', known as "dontaskme" will never be able to explain AND understand what ALL-OF-THIS actually IS, is because 'you' look at and see things through the very thing that is thought, and thinks, which is what I have been saying from the outset.

There is no knowledge of anything without association via a conceptual belief structure. What thought puts there.

This is EXACTLY what a thinking brain would say. And then, through the BELIEF-SYSTEM this thought is what will be believed to be true, right, and correct, correct?

'you' actually BELIEVE that what you wrote is true, right, and correct, correct?

Just your HONEST answer is needed here.

What all of this actually is is already prior to any thought about it, therefore thought is an artificial overlay upon nothing.

What you call "nothing" I call KNOWING.

SO THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN OR UNDERSTAND. You do not need to petition God. You are God. God is ONE

You will NEVER understand how I use the words 'you' and 'I' no matter how many times I tell you.

You will also NEVER understand WHY using the word 'you', as in "You are God" is NOT correct either, no matter how many times i explain to you WHY it is an incorrect usage of terms.

The reason you will NEVER understand these things is because you do NOT listen to what I say.

'you', which is an obvious word for "another" can continue saying, "You are God" till the day that body stops breathing, but obviously the word 'you' is used as a designation of SEPARATION.

I'll keep on repeating this to you until you are able to move on from your imagined conceptually formed claim to fame who likes to blame.
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Okay, and I will keep repeating this, for as long as I want to.

The more people who can RECOGNIZE, SEE, and UNDERSTAND that the word 'you' refers to "another", and how so blatantly ridiculous it is for one human being to say to "another", "You are God" is, then the better this is for 'I' who is God. That is thee 'I', and living Spirit, in EVERY thing is God.

See, the word 'I' can NOT be separated. But the word 'you' actually refers to "another".

[Dontaskme]

The more people who can RECOGNIZE, SEE, and UNDERSTAND that the word 'you' refers to "another"

The you in me is the same you in you. You there would not be able to project another you here - if there was no you there in the first place.

There is no other you outside of you except a projected conceived you...aka an imagined you.

See, the word 'I' can NOT be separated.

The use of the word 'separated' is to imply there is such an idea as separation.

And is why words can NEVER be used to explain or know I .. as I can only BE ... and does BE quite happily without any conceptual label being attached to it.

I cannot be known because I is the knowing that cannot be known. Oneness doesn't need to know or explain itself. IT SIMPLY IS.





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[surreptitious57]

me=1579954146 user_id=9490

I dont have a problem in letting go because I am doing that already
I avoid holding onto anything any more than is absolutely necessary

Will you provide examples of any thing that you see is absolutely necessary to be held onto ?

Dontaskme wrote
That is because this body and this mind are merely passing through

Can you clean up the quote function here please - the red bits should not be seen
The first clicks to the quote above mine and the second quote is mine not Dontaskme

[surreptitious57]

I avoid holding onto anything any more than is absolutely necessary

Will you provide examples of any thing that you see is absolutely necessary to be held onto ?

There is nothing that qualifies though there may be things I may hold onto anyway
Will I provide examples of what those things are ? No for that is not relevant here

[surreptitious57]

That is because this body and this mind are merely passing through

I will not ask you to clarify how what you said here could have any actual real Truth to it because I know how much effort you need to put into trying your hardest to work out how that could actually fit into the actual Truth of Life . I already KNOW how much you hate this

I am actually going to answer this question very easily without any hard work or hate at all - my body will eventually die
Instead of assuming you could simply have asked the clarifying question and I would have given the answer as I did above

[surreptitious57]

One of you thinks Awareness only occurs in Mind when there is universal agreement between human beings
The other one thinks individual human beings are Awareness themselves as a manifestation of Consciousness

The problem with the first one is that universal agreement between human beings does not necessarily imply that which is definitely true
Equally there may not be universal agreement between human beings for something that is true so one can never be entirely certain here

As far as the second one is concerned the existence of Awareness is not something that can actually be demonstrated
The notion of it arising out of nothing is something I that find rather problematic because this is not a persistent state

It is a shame you waste mental energy arguing with each other over your different interpretations instead of simply agreeing to disagree
One of you professes not to have the absolute truth so why cannot you accept that you may be wrong and / or that others may be right ?

You could respect each others respective positions and still have productive discourse
I do not accept them as such but I still accept the possibility that either could be true

My own position at this point in time is that Existence is the only thing which is eternal and that everything is in a perpetual state of motion
And that this mind and body is only a temporary form of existence within Existence and I will carry on existing in another form after this one

As the atomic me will exist for a virtual eternity after death before eventually ceasing to exist while Existence will carry on oblivious to this
So the atomic Age and the atomic Dontaskme will exist for a virtual eternity after their respective deaths while Existence carries on likewise

My philosophy is let go more and more the older I get because once death occurs I will have no need to hold on to anything from then on anyway
It therefore makes zero difference which one of you two is right or if neither of you are right since like all human beings you will eventually die

[Dontaskme]

As far as the second one is concerned the existence of Awareness is not something that can actually be demonstrated
The notion of it arising out of nothing is something I that find rather problematic because this is not a persistent state

But surreptitious57 awareness does not arise.

Awareness is just another word for space, and can be compared to the empty sky in which a cloud appears and disappears and reappears.
Awareness is the seeing and the knowing.

Any thing seen and known can be compared to the dream.

Every thing seen and known is literally made out of the space / awareness it's appearing and disappearing and reappearing in because there is no OTHER thing available.

Life is a dream dreamt by no one, full stop. And yes, sometimes it's an absolute horrific nightmare, but there is nothing that can be done about that because no thing is making this all happen. It's all one thing. There is no way out because there is no one in it.

This is how the mystics and sages see reality. Once this is realized there is no going back to the world of maya, the world of illusions and delusions. The mystic lives in a permanent state of nirvana. It is neither dead nor alive, it just functions effortlessly the way it's meant to.

I have no arugment with any other person on this subject. I understand that if arugments and disagreements arise here..there is no thing causing this to happen, and that every thing is just happening in what never really happens.


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[surreptitious57]

Saying awareness is just another word for space is easier than saying that the seer cannot see themselves seeing as that is a harder concept to imagine . To me these are entirely different things but it is not a problem for me because no two minds see the world in exactly the same way

Space is just what Existence resides within and it is constantly changing with every new second that is being created
Everything occurs within Existence because it is all there is and we are simply part of it just like every other thing is

[Dontaskme]

Saying awareness is just another word for space is easier than saying that the seer cannot see themselves seeing as that is a harder concept to imagine . To me these are entirely different things but it is not a problem for me because no two minds see the world in exactly the same way

It's not that it is easier, to my mind, it's just another descriptive of what is actually the ineffable. There are many authors appearing each with their own story. And then there is the many translations of what those stories mean. However, there is only ONE reader of all stories that no one ever writ... since they all originate from imagination. It's all just the ONE in action dreaming difference where there is none.
The parable of the blind men and the elephant dipict this ''difference phenomena'' very well.

Space is just what Existence resides within and it is constantly changing with every new second that is being created
Everything occurs within Existence because it is all there is and we are simply part of it just like every other thing is

That's another way of describing it yes.

IT being anything imagination imagines. Everything imagined sums to zero in the end, because the whole is always greater than the parts, because the whole is the parts for the whole can never not be the whole. The whole of reality is presenting itself seamlessly all at once right now.

It's only Words that cut the whole into parts, albeit illusory separation.

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[surreptitious57]

The whole of reality is presenting itself seamlessly all at once right now

This is an excellent way to describe it in my opinion as it is very simple and precise

It also includes the collective mental energy of every mind thinking at the same time
It would exist at the same time as all the physical energy of perpetual motion as well

This is the eternal now which has always existed and will always exist while it is also changing all the time
Ones life is but a tiny insignificant piece of this process - hence why I always say I am just passing through

[Age]

The more people who can RECOGNIZE, SEE, and UNDERSTAND that the word 'you' refers to "another"

The you in me is the same you in you.

Although the 'you in me' does not make sense, the 'you' in me is the same 'you' in you' is the big 'I', from my little perspective.

You there would not be able to project another you here - if there was no you there in the first place.

There is no other you outside of you except a projected conceived you...aka an imagined you.

See, the word 'I' can NOT be separated.

The use of the word 'separated' is to imply there is such an idea as separation.

Well of course there is an 'idea' of separation, but obviously there is no actual separation. Ideas, used through words, was how thee 'I' finally BEcame able to KNOW Thy Self.

And is why words can NEVER be used to explain or know I

You are too late. It has already been done.

.. as I can only BE ... and does BE quite happily without any conceptual label being attached to it.

But thee I appears to be working desperately hard under the label "dontaskme" to tell everyone that I can not be known and that I am happy just BEing.

Could part of this BEing happy be talking to Itself, with and through words, to eventually BE able to KNOW Thy Self, and thence BE Truly Happy KNOWING ALL parts of Me will start living in Peace and Happiness?

I cannot be known because I is the knowing that cannot be known.

LOL how does that I know that It cannot be known?

The I, under the label "age", already can answer the question; Who am 'I'?, and therefore already KNOWS who 'I' am, and thus thy Self.

Oneness doesn't need to know or explain itself. IT SIMPLY IS.


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Of course I do not need to.

But 'I' just love to learn more. That is how I SIMPLY AM.

I already KNOW who 'I' am, but I keep learning how to communicate better so that I achieve what I set out to do. That is live eternally in peace and harmony with thy Self, as One.

Telling thy Self that I can not do some thing is obviously not some thing that 'I' would do.

Only human beings keep telling themselves that they can not do things and that we could never achieve some things. But 'I' already KNOW what thee Truth IS.

[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:49 pm
And is why words can NEVER be used to explain or know I

You are too late. It has already been done.

Great!

No need to repeat I

Repeating I is copyright and plagiarism

I can pretend.

But Only I-gnorance is original.

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