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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm People are not born into a state of all-knowing.
Nor do they ever arrive at such a state.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm Knowledge being immune to negation is incoherent: knowledge is not the presence of anything, it is the absence of it.
So knowledge is the absence of anything?

That's also incoherent.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm As one approaches -A, they simultaneously depart from +A such that any/all suffering/death associated with the belief-based ignorance is alleviated.
And what would you conclude about your theory if one is approaching -A, but the suffering is not being alleviated?
Similarly: what would you conclude about your theory if one is approaching +A yet the suffering is alleviated?

For some would argue that ignorance is bliss!
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm It takes a believer to believe evil is good (without the need to define them, which, if done so incorrectly, immediately collapses a being into A/B instead of C).
It takes a believer to believe that they can define "good" with "evil" correctly.

It takes a believer to believe incorrectness is correct (without the need to define them, which if done so correctly OR incorrectly, immediately renders this argument circular.)
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm i. It is your own belief, thus the belief problem is local to you
I don't think so... You are calling my beliefs 'beliefs'. Exactly like I am calling your beliefs 'beliefs'

By induction - I can't see why we can't call your beliefs 'beliefs' also.

Sounds like you are special-pleading for an exemption.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm *edit* I'm circling-back from the end to highlight 'the accuser is the accused' is actually your own projection/accusation throughout.
Hi pot, my name is kettle.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm This is all your own belief. It is an impasse either way.
it's not just mine! You called my beliefs 'beliefs' also! You are tacitly agreeing with me.

nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm The properties (ie. "laws") of the cosmos map as "laws" that act on any/all social fabrics esp. science, language, ethics, logic/physics etc. To know the "laws" of the mundane matters of creation has application to all scales if the laws are, in fact, universally applicable.
If they are universally applicable how come I can't apply your laws?
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm You used a definite *is*
Exactly. An *is* is not an *ought*.

It's a definite observation, not a definite assertion.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm When a problem believes itself to be a solution, you get things such as Islam.
When a solution believes itself to be a solution, you get things like Christianity.

You've solved nothing.
nothing wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 pm In this example B is correct - C is stating the obvious.
And who are you in the scenario? A, B or C?

How did you decide on B's correctness?
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Re: God(s)

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I saw the coloring book picture with the satanic symbol...and then I realized....ROFL!!!!
I don't know what you mean by "satanic" symbol. It is an upside-down pentagram denoting that it can fall either +A or -A.

The Hebrew word "S-T-N" is comprised of three letters:

shin - expression of being/nature (ie. psychology/emotion/action)
tet - bind; to ensnare
nun (final) - ongoing state

thus rendering:
...any general expression of being bound in an ongoing state...
Which is easily satisfied if/when a "believer" "believes" anything that is not true. The belief-based ignorance is thus adopted and encumbers the being to whatever degree they are willing to (+) BELIEVE that which is not true.

The graphic indicates thus the two possible affirmative courses of action as they relate to the two Edenic trees:

to KNOW any/all not to BELIEVE (approaches all-knowing)
to BELIEVE any/all not to KNOW (approaches all-belief-based ignorance viz. 180-degree inversion)

Did it ever occur to you that a person who is themselves disoriented in a near-upside-down "direction" will invariably accuse others of what they are themselves guilty of? Do you surmise this could be used to try/test any/all belief-based accusations/claims/propositions ad infinitum such to know the accusers/accused involved?

It takes a believer to believe the polar opposite of what is true. The belief itself is irrelevant - the believer provides the substance/particulars, all CKIIT has to do is invert it and apply it back to its source. It is brilliant.
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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:13 pm
I saw the coloring book picture with the satanic symbol...and then I realized....ROFL!!!!
I don't know what you mean by "satanic" symbol. It is an upside-down pentagram denoting that it can fall either +A or -A.

The Hebrew word "S-T-N" is comprised of three letters:

shin - expression of being/nature (ie. psychology/emotion/action)
tet - bind; to ensnare
nun (final) - ongoing state

thus rendering:
...any general expression of being bound in an ongoing state...
Which is easily satisfied if/when a "believer" "believes" anything that is not true. The belief-based ignorance is thus adopted and encumbers the being to whatever degree they are willing to (+) BELIEVE that which is not true.

The graphic indicates thus the two possible affirmative courses of action as they relate to the two Edenic trees:

to KNOW any/all not to BELIEVE (approaches all-knowing)
to BELIEVE any/all not to KNOW (approaches all-belief-based ignorance viz. 180-degree inversion)

Did it ever occur to you that a person who is themselves disoriented in a near-upside-down "direction" will invariably accuse others of what they are themselves guilty of? Do you surmise this could be used to try/test any/all belief-based accusations/claims/propositions ad infinitum such to know the accusers/accused involved?

It takes a believer to believe the polar opposite of what is true. The belief itself is irrelevant - the believer provides the substance/particulars, all CKIIT has to do is invert it and apply it back to its source. It is brilliant.
Really...it is "brilliant"....who says that?
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Re: God(s)

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Really...it is "brilliant"....who says that?
Doth a light need man to justify its brilliance?
Or does it shine regardless?

I'm coming up with a more formal abstract to be posted on another forum that deals with electrical engineering as CKIIT uses versor algebra. Real engineers who actually build stuff (and make things work in the real world) will be able to bring it to a higher level than philosophers could/would here.

In the meantime I will be reading the following from Tesla:

https://www.amazon.ca/Problem-Increasin ... =8-1-fkmr0

as he is the only person who coherently attempts to fuse real-world engineering with metaphysical philosophy. The talk-only type with no practical counter-part are invariably severed from reality.
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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:45 pm
Really...it is "brilliant"....who says that?
Doth a light need man to justify its brilliance?
Or does it shine regardless?

I'm coming up with a more formal abstract to be posted on another forum that deals with electrical engineering as CKIIT uses versor algebra. Real engineers who actually build stuff (and make things work in the real world) will be able to bring it to a higher level than philosophers could/would here.

In the meantime I will be reading the following from Tesla:

https://www.amazon.ca/Problem-Increasin ... =8-1-fkmr0

as he is the only person who coherently attempts to fuse real-world engineering with metaphysical philosophy. The talk-only type with no practical counter-part are invariably severed from reality.
You are claiming your own brilliance, noone else is are far as I am aware on this forum...as far as I see everyone else is in the dark on it.

But I will tell you what, maybe I am wrong, and people are seeing what you see. In that case you can copy and post of few of the responses here:

(---------------)

In order to enlighten me.


Second, the nature of reality as composes primarily of forms leads to necessary technological deformations grounded in understanding geometry. The "Pyramids of the Ancient Presocratics as Physicalization of Abstract Principles Theory Thread" covers this.

Third, the grounding of reality as strictly looping forms sets the meditatitative and practical application of morality through the golden rule. No need to reinvent and already existing wheel, best just to remind others it was there all along.

Fourth I did alot of research on Tesla for a screen play I helped create a few years ago. Much of his work reflects control of the ether similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids thousands of years ago.
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Re: God(s)

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You are claiming your own brilliance, noone else is are far as I am aware on this forum...as far as I see everyone else is in the dark on it.
Lol I am not claiming my own brilliance - the foundation of CKIIT is brilliant, not me - I am nothing. Again: it didn't come from me, rather to me. If someone else had CKIIT come to them, I'd tell them the concept is brilliant. I could not like them, but that would require me comparing myself to them, which is a prerequisite for enmity.

I consciously dropped that particular line to further inquire re: how people have the tendency to compare themselves to others viz. enmity. It is not a conscious activity for them, however I am consciously looking for it. Being conscious of what others are unconscious of is a source of knowledge because if/when any state contains common/shared characteristics, it allows broad-spectrum analysis/predictions.
But I will tell you what, maybe I am wrong, and people are seeing what you see. In that case you can copy and post of few of the responses here:
Well there is:
Nothing;
You are clearly a radically rapid-thinking superior intellect, who leaves other superior intellects scratching their heads, in attempts to follow your inundative formal logic in combination with insightful scriptural interpretation. You are a totally valuable genius contributor.
Duane
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27737&start=75
Second, the nature of reality as composes (?) primarily of forms leads to necessary technological deformations grounded in understanding geometry. The "Pyramids of the Ancient Presocratics as Physicalization of Abstract Principles Theory Thread" covers this.

Third, the grounding of reality as strictly looping forms sets the meditatitative and practical application of morality through the golden rule. No need to reinvent and already existing wheel, best just to remind others it was there all along.
(!)

Reality is not looping forms: beliefs are. You have a loop virus in your mind that I don't address because it's too deeply embedded and I don't want to open up that box - I wouldn't have the patience to sort out the mess even if I wanted to.

Unconsciousness creates looping fallacy: you can place a hamster on a wheel and fix the backdrop to move according to the wheel. Unless the hamster is conscious, it may "believe" it is actually going somewhere. Belief is like this: people are in their own wheel(s) spinning and spinning, the backdrop changes, but they remain in the same "place". This is not true for knowledge as it is attained to - there are definite discernible landmark(s) that are universal.

The point of CKIIT is to break these "loops" beginning from an individual local level so even a person with an IQ of 80-90 (ie. believers) can understand. Presently, believers can not see past their enmity/hatred/divisiveness because these are what is causing retardation in the first place (ie. emotional immaturity). Hence: the need for CKIIT to find root(s) of "original sin". It has found both the mark of Cain (ie. the accuser is the accused) and mark of the Beast (ie. sexual degeneracy). Both of these are present in the geopolitical ideological entity behind Nazism/Socialsm/Fascism, and CKIIT can now call them out by name.
Fourth I did alot of research on Tesla for a screen play I helped create a few years ago. Much of his work reflects control of the ether similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids thousands of years ago.
They were not hypothetical - they produced wireless energy. Nikola Tesla's Tower uses the same principle: if one can tap into the electromagnetic currents of the earth itself, shoot this up into the ionosphere and "tap" it each time it goes around, anyone that taps into the ionosphere taps into the current. Monopole transmitters are thus possible (which is what each human being already is by natural design) and Tesla proved this by building a monopole transmitter that works.
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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:19 am
You are claiming your own brilliance, noone else is are far as I am aware on this forum...as far as I see everyone else is in the dark on it.
Lol I am not claiming my own brilliance - the foundation of CKIIT is brilliant, not me - I am nothing. Again: it didn't come from me, rather to me. If someone else had CKIIT come to them, I'd tell them the concept is brilliant. I could not like them, but that would require me comparing myself to them, which is a prerequisite for enmity.

And what foundations are those exactly?

I consciously dropped that particular line to further inquire re: how people have the tendency to compare themselves to others viz. enmity. It is not a conscious activity for them, however I am consciously looking for it. Being conscious of what others are unconscious of is a source of knowledge because if/when any state contains common/shared characteristics, it allows broad-spectrum analysis/predictions.

You talk about "enmity" alot....but you have no real solutions to it other than a graph chart.
But I will tell you what, maybe I am wrong, and people are seeing what you see. In that case you can copy and post of few of the responses here:
Well there is:
Nothing;
You are clearly a radically rapid-thinking superior intellect, who leaves other superior intellects scratching their heads, in attempts to follow your inundative formal logic in combination with insightful scriptural interpretation. You are a totally valuable genius contributor.
Duane
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27737&start=75

Yes I remember him, the spinoza enthusiast....he left yelling obscenities after I pointed out his contradictions. He viewed himself as an average mind...is that the type of opinions you value? Average?

Anyone else?

Second, the nature of reality as composes (?) primarily of forms leads to necessary technological deformations grounded in understanding geometry. The "Pyramids of the Ancient Presocratics as Physicalization of Abstract Principles Theory Thread" covers this.

Third, the grounding of reality as strictly looping forms sets the meditatitative and practical application of morality through the golden rule. No need to reinvent and already existing wheel, best just to remind others it was there all along.
(!)

Reality is not looping forms: beliefs are. You have a loop virus in your mind that I don't address because it's too deeply embedded and I don't want to open up that box - I wouldn't have the patience to sort out the mess even if I wanted to.

False, everything ranging from the basic atom, to the outline of any form, to the standard law if identity P=P.

Unconsciousness creates looping fallacy: you can place a hamster on wheel and fix the backdrop to move according to the moving of the wheel. Unless the hamster is conscious, it may "believe" it is actually getting somewhere. Belief is like this: people are in their own wheel(s) spinning and spinning, the backdrop changes, but they remain in the same "place".

The same occurs for tautological knowledge, but it is less about any specific extreme place...rather a question of underlying center.

The point of CKIIT is to break these beginning from an individual local level so even a person with an IQ of 80-90 (ie. believers) can understand.

And yet the comment by Duane implies a genius beyond understanding, which I don't agree with, but it still points to an interesting observation: noone really cares or understands about your theory.

Presently, believers can not see past their enmity/hatred/divisiveness because these are what is causing retardation in the first place. Hence: the need for CKIIT to find root(s) of "original sin". It has found both the mark of Cain (ie. the accuser is the accused) and mark of the Beast (ie. sexual degeneracy). Both of these are present in the geopolitical ideological entity behind Nazism/Socialsm/Fascism, and CKIIT can now call them out by name and why.

You refer to a scripture whose sourcing requires an act of faith alone, as well as an act of faith you are interpreting the Archetypes correctly.

Fourth I did alot of research on Tesla for a screen play I helped create a few years ago. Much of his work reflects control of the ether similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids thousands of years ago.
They were not hypothetical - they produced wireless energy. Nikola Tesla's Tower uses the same principle: if one can tap into the electromagnetic currents of the earth itself, shoot this up into the ionosphere and "tap" it each time it goes around, anyone that taps into the ionosphere taps into the current. Monopole transmitters are thus possible (which is what each human being already is by natural design) and Tesla proved this by building a monopole transmitter that works.

"Similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids. I never stated teslas inventions where hypothetical.

And much of this requires geometric principles.
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Re: God(s)

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And what foundations are those exactly?
Image

It solves for satan/god under the condition(s) prescribed in/by Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
From here it goes on to designate the root(s) of Nazism/fascism/socialism etc.
You talk about "enmity" alot....but you have no real solutions to it other than a graph chart.
Enmity requires comparison.
"Self" vs. "other".
Us. vs. Them.
Believer vs. Unbeliever.
etc.

A believes B is evil. <-* Cain
B believes A is evil. <-* Cain
C knows neither A or B know from which tree they eat. <-*Abel
Yes I remember him, the spinoza enthusiast....he left yelling obscenities after I pointed out his contradictions. He viewed himself as an average mind...is that the type of opinions you value? Average?

Anyone else?
You may believe you point out contradictions in/of everyone because it suits your belief in/of yourself to be something other than of average mind. As such it is easier to bring others down to "feel" superior - but it is both superficial and destructive.

I would certainly choose to engage with an average mind which focuses on content over a solipsistic one which focuses on men.
False, everything ranging from the basic atom (?), to the outline of any form, to the standard law if identity P=P.
(!)

Scientists don't even know what an atom is.

P =/= P
P = *P
________
* allows variability
The same occurs for tautological knowledge, but it is less about any specific extreme place...rather a question of underlying center.
Knowledge is grounded in a universal center - it is called knowing who/what/where/why/when/how and/or if *not* to BELIEVE anyone or anything.
And yet the comment by Duane implies a genius beyond understanding, which I don't agree with, but it still points to an interesting observation: noone really cares or understands about your theory.
I don't agree with it either, but it was well-intended and answered your question.
You refer to a scripture whose sourcing requires an act of faith alone, as well as an act of faith you are interpreting the Archetypes correctly.
No it doesn't - the five books' sources are known to a degree: J, E, P, D and a fifth R(edactor).

The "archetypes" follow from the form:

https://meru.org/Lettermaps/wovngeni.html
https://meru.org/Lettermaps/Wholematrix.html
"Similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids. I never stated teslas inventions where hypothetical.

And much of this requires geometric principles.
CKIIT is not different - versor algebra is geometric.
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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:53 pm
And what foundations are those exactly?
Image

It solves for satan/god under the condition(s) prescribed in/by Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
From here it goes on to designate the root(s) of Nazism/fascism/socialism etc.
You talk about "enmity" alot....but you have no real solutions to it other than a graph chart.
Enmity requires comparison.
"Self" vs. "other".
Us. vs. Them.
Believer vs. Unbeliever.
etc.

A believes B is evil. <-* Cain
B believes A is evil. <-* Cain
C knows neither A or B know from which tree they eat. <-*Abel

So if enmity is believer vs unbeliever, and you are trying to annihilate belief, you feel enmity for beleivers?
Yes I remember him, the spinoza enthusiast....he left yelling obscenities after I pointed out his contradictions. He viewed himself as an average mind...is that the type of opinions you value? Average?

Anyone else?
You may believe you point out contradictions in/of everyone because it suits your belief in/of yourself to be something other than of average mind. As such it is easier to bring others down to "feel" superior - but it is both superficial and destructive.

No, there are people here I agree with as well relative to many arguments, Skepdick, DontAskMe, etc.


Second, you are the one who wants to annihilate unbelief...projecting destruction much?


I would certainly choose to engage with an average mind which focuses on content over a solipsistic one which focuses on men.

I am not arguing solipsism...I have stated this multiple times. And humanism is not solipsism.
False, everything ranging from the basic atom (?), to the outline of any form, to the standard law if identity P=P.
(!)

Scientists don't even know what an atom is.

P =/= P
P = *P
________
* allows variability

It is a constant your whole argumenr hinges on.
The same occurs for tautological knowledge, but it is less about any specific extreme place...rather a question of underlying center.
Knowledge is grounded in a universal center - it is called knowing who/what/where/why/when/how and/or if *not* to BELIEVE anyone or anything.

And that center is what...a point.
And yet the comment by Duane implies a genius beyond understanding, which I don't agree with, but it still points to an interesting observation: noone really cares or understands about your theory.
I don't agree with it either, but it was well-intended and answered your question.

Part of an answer, I want "examples.
You refer to a scripture whose sourcing requires an act of faith alone, as well as an act of faith you are interpreting the Archetypes correctly.
No it doesn't - the five books' sources are known to a degree: J, E, P, D and a fifth R(edactor).

The "archetypes" follow from the form:

https://meru.org/Lettermaps/wovngeni.html
https://meru.org/Lettermaps/Wholematrix.html

Still an assumed point of reference as archetypal translation has many different schools. In many respects, according it young, it is a private language.
"Similar to the hypothetical use of pyramids. I never stated teslas inventions where hypothetical.

And much of this requires geometric principles.
CKIIT is not different - versor algebra is geometric.

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Re: God(s)

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So if enmity is believer vs unbeliever, and you are trying to annihilate belief (?), you feel enmity for beleivers?
See there you go off into the very same ignorant assumption again. I am not trying to annihilate belief. Such a thing is absurd: it would be the same as trying to annihilate yin or yang.

I feel sorry for the "believers" who are the first real victims of the ideology. Do you have any idea what these people are being lead to "believe"? They are not even bowing down in the right direction viz. the qibla of Muhammad was actually towards Petra in South Jordan. The change to Mecca was in the mid-8th century after a lot of war over a black stone.

I have enmity against the patriarchal swine of the House of Islam who are planning a global genocide attempting to blame it on "Jews" - I am one of the few on the planet who "know" that Muslim = Jew owing to the Torah/Qur'an both suffering the exact same deficiency.

Imagine this:
Muslims accuse "Jews" of their own swinery,
thus hide behind Jews, as Jews.
Think about that - who are the real "Jews"?

To clarify: I take "Jew" to mean "original religion of Adam" which is to blame/scapegoat onto any/all others, starting with a/the women. Th elaboration/product of this unfolding is Islam: requires a false testimony in order to join, a graven image in the psychology, and Muhammad violated all ten commandments ad absurdum, as if he were modeled to do it.
No, there are people here I agree with as well relative to many arguments, Skepdick, DontAskMe, etc.
Agreement can be mistaken for sheepish tending-to-flock.
Second, you are the one who wants to annihilate unbelief...projecting destruction much?
As earlier: you are assuming I try to somehow annihilate belief. The projection is yours viz. accuser is the accused. It always reduces into this whence enmity - no escaping it unless to escape the enmity and just drop it entirely.
I am not arguing solipsism...I have stated this multiple times. And humanism is not solipsism.
You are not arguing it - you are it. Your words render not your actions, for the latter speak for themselves.

I know not to "believe" a "humanist" would state that suffering is subjective. It is closer to the opposite (when in doubt: try the inverse - if going in the wrong direction, a 180-degree inversion is the right direction).

How about actually caring that hundreds of millions are dead over bonafide bullshit and women are being abused on a daily basis? Is some personal matter of yours more important than this, or is this suffering just all subjective?

Such putrid hypocrisy - put the energy towards something practically productive as any "humanist" would.
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Re: God(s)

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nothing wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:22 pm
So if enmity is believer vs unbeliever, and you are trying to annihilate belief (?), you feel enmity for beleivers?
See there you go off into the very same ignorant assumption again. I am not trying to annihilate belief. Such a thing is absurd: it would be the same as trying to annihilate yin or yang.

Then what are you trying to annihilate?

I feel sorry for the "believers" who are the first real victims of the ideology. Do you have any idea what these people are being lead to "believe"? They are not even bowing down in the right direction viz. the qibla of Muhammad was actually towards Petra in South Jordan. The change to Mecca was in the mid-8th century after a lot of war over a black stone.

I have enmity against the patriarchal swine of the House of Islam who are planning a global genocide attempting to blame it on "Jews" - I am one of the few on the planet who "know" that Muslim = Jew owing to the Torah/Qur'an both suffering the exact same deficiency.

And what about communist atheism or the current persecutions in China.

Imagine this:
Muslims accuse "Jews" of their own swinery,
thus hide behind Jews, as Jews.
Think about that - who are the real "Jews"?

To clarify: I take "Jew" to mean "original religion of Adam" which is to blame/scapegoat onto any/all others, starting with a/the women. Th elaboration/product of this unfolding is Islam: requires a false testimony in order to join, a graven image in the psychology, and Muhammad violated all ten commandments ad absurdum, as if he were modeled to do it.
No, there are people here I agree with as well relative to many arguments, Skepdick, DontAskMe, etc.
Agreement can be mistaken for sheepish tending-to-flock.

Who is projecting enmity now :)?
Second, you are the one who wants to annihilate unbelief...projecting destruction much?
As earlier: you are assuming I try to somehow annihilate belief. The projection is yours viz. accuser is the accused. It always reduces into this whence enmity - no escaping it unless to escape the enmity and just drop it entirely.

Really, you claim beleif is ignorance and all ignorance should be erradicated.
I am not arguing solipsism...I have stated this multiple times. And humanism is not solipsism.
You are not arguing it - you are it. Your words render not your actions, for the latter speak for themselves.

Last time I checked a solipsist stance was the only thing one can know is one's own mind, if there is mind beyond mine...that is not solipsism now is it?

I know not to "believe" a "humanist" would state that suffering is subjective. It is closer to the opposite (when in doubt: try the inverse - if going in the wrong direction, a 180-degree inversion is the right direction).

How about actually caring that hundreds of millions are dead over bonafide bullshit and women are being abused on a daily basis? Is some personal matter of yours more important than this, or is this suffering just all subjective?

So they don't rape and kill is communist atheist states....or frat parties?

Such putrid hypocrisy - put the energy towards something practically productive as any "humanist" would.

I am not claiming humanism either.
Still waiting for that list or people who claim your genius, I didn't know what makes a man a genius is viewing "examples" in the singular.
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Re: God(s)

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Then what are you trying to annihilate?
Belief-based ignorance.
And what about communist atheism or the current persecutions in China.
What-about-ism is not in the scope of CKIIT: atheists do not spill blood over a "belief" (or lack therefor) in any god.

China understands the immensity of the threat the belief-based political ideology of Islam is to humanity - the believing Muslims are the real "fake" Jews who accuse/scapegoat/harass/loot/plunder and abuse women for a living while blaming Jews/Christians/Atheists/Unbelievers/Infidels etc. It is their "religion" to blame others for their own crimes against humanity - pathologically projecting their own nature onto others. The Canaanite enmity and desire to spill blood is ever-present in Islam, with the original sin of blame, blame and blame. It has costed the lives of hundreds of millions and all the "believers" can do is whine and squeal while trying to point fingers elsewhere.
Who is projecting enmity now?
You're reading it according to your own - I don't have enmity for people I don't compare myself to. Once you see their own limitation, you know they suffer it without knowing what it is they suffer.
Really, you claim beleif (?) is ignorance and all ignorance should be erradicated (?).
(!) (!)

All belief is ignorance, yes, because it means a person doesn't actually know - there are degrees of uncertainty. The problem occurs if when a particular "belief" becomes a political state militarily forced onto others who "know" the belief is false. If "belief" were kept a completely personal matter, there would be no problem for CKIIT to address.

Muhammadans killing people for not "believing" something that is not true, while accusing "unbelievers" as being the criminals is belief-based inversion satisfied by the condition 'the accuser is the accused' which is a fixed property of the House of Islam - thus: House of Swine full of whining and squealing pigs (due to their worshiping a dead one).
Last time I checked a solipsist stance was the only thing one can know is one's own mind, if there is mind beyond mine...that is not solipsism now is it?
If you want solipsism, look at the archetypes of Muhammad/Hitler: male central figure orator who amasses power via oration, weaponizes the 'state' against any/all political rivals, expands militarily while signing/breaking "peace" treaties and subsequently uses the power of the state of construct a genocide machine.

QED Islam is the root of Nazism, Fascism and Socialism as they hide behind the "Jews", while being the real "Jews". The proof is simple: watch them whine and squeal about worshiping a dead pedophile Jew - their enmity and desire to spill blood takes hold and they reduce back into animal nature - the same accusation they make against Jews. Islam = 180-degree inversion of reality wherein Muslims "believe" the polar opposite of what is true. This is why knowledge of good and evil comes *after* knowing the (un)reality of ones "belief" - either ones own, or that of others. I know Islam is a humanitarian crisis (so does China, and Putin, and Trump) - it would take a "believer" to "believe" otherwise.
I am not claiming humanism either.
It is good then: any person who believes pain and suffering is subjective can not be a humanist.
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nothing wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:03 am
Then what are you trying to annihilate?
Belief-based ignorance.
Why NOT just annihilate ALL 'belief' itself? ALL 'belief' is unnecessary and the cause of being CLOSED.
nothing wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:03 am
And what about communist atheism or the current persecutions in China.
What-about-ism is not in the scope of CKIIT: atheists do not spill blood over a "belief" (or lack therefor) in any god.
But so called "atheists" spill blood over 'belief' (in other things).
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nothing wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:03 am
Then what are you trying to annihilate?
Belief-based ignorance.

But that is just beleif as there is no knowledge based ignorance.
And what about communist atheism or the current persecutions in China.
What-about-ism is not in the scope of CKIIT: atheists do not spill blood over a "belief" (or lack therefor) in any god.

State, "comrades", etc.

China understands the immensity of the threat the belief-based political ideology of Islam is to humanity - the believing Muslims are the real "fake" Jews who accuse/scapegoat/harass/loot/plunder and abuse women for a living while blaming Jews/Christians/Atheists/Unbelievers/Infidels etc. It is their "religion" to blame others for their own crimes against humanity - pathologically projecting their own nature onto others. The Canaanite enmity and desire to spill blood is ever-present in Islam, with the original sin of blame, blame and blame. It has costed the lives of hundreds of millions and all the "believers" can do is whine and squeal while trying to point fingers elsewhere.

They still rape, kill, etc.

Are you anti-semitic?

Who is projecting enmity now?
You're reading it according to your own - I don't have enmity for people I don't compare myself to. Once you see their own limitation, you know they suffer it without knowing what it is they suffer.

But you are comparing yourself to believers according to your system. You are comparing yourself to the ignorant.
Really, you claim beleif (?) is ignorance and all ignorance should be erradicated (?).
(!) (!)

All belief is ignorance, yes, because it means a person doesn't actually know - there are degrees of uncertainty. The problem occurs if when a particular "belief" becomes a political state militarily forced onto others who "know" the belief is false. If "belief" were kept a completely personal matter, there would be no problem for CKIIT to address.

So all believe is ignorance, but prior you where stating only beleif based ignorance.

Muhammadans killing people for not "believing" something that is not true, while accusing "unbelievers" as being the criminals is belief-based inversion satisfied by the condition 'the accuser is the accused' which is a fixed property of the House of Islam - thus: House of Swine full of whining and squealing pigs (due to their worshiping a dead one).

See above.


Last time I checked a solipsist stance was the only thing one can know is one's own mind, if there is mind beyond mine...that is not solipsism now is it?
If you want solipsism, look at the archetypes of Muhammad/Hitler: male central figure orator who amasses power via oration, weaponizes the 'state' against any/all political rivals, expands militarily while signing/breaking "peace" treaties and subsequently uses the power of the state of construct a genocide machine.

So you are accusing me of nazism for talking about circles....was Euclid as Nazi?

QED Islam is the root of Nazism, Fascism and Socialism as they hide behind the "Jews", while being the real "Jews". The proof is simple: watch them whine and squeal about worshiping a dead pedophile Jew - their enmity and desire to spill blood takes hold and they reduce back into animal nature - the same accusation they make against Jews. Islam = 180-degree inversion of reality wherein Muslims "believe" the polar opposite of what is true. This is why knowledge of good and evil comes *after* knowing the (un)reality of ones "belief" - either ones own, or that of others. I know Islam is a humanitarian crisis (so does China, and Putin, and Trump) - it would take a "believer" to "believe" otherwise.
I am not claiming humanism either.
It is good then: any person who believes pain and suffering is subjective can not be a humanist.

Pain and suffering is subjective...you cannot prove it.
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Why NOT just annihilate ALL 'belief' itself? ALL 'belief' is unnecessary and the cause of being CLOSED.
It's not possible - if it were I would endeavor.

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But so called "atheists" spill blood over 'belief' (in other things).
You take the atheists, I'll take the theists.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:10 pm But that is just beleif as there is no knowledge based ignorance.
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There is knowledge-based belief.
State, "comrades", etc.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with a 'state' or "comrades".
They still rape, kill, etc.

Are you anti-semitic?
I am anti-monotheistic patriarchal swinery. Islam is a patriarchal swine ideology, not a race, which "borrowed" its essence from Judaism, which is also an ideology. It is Judaism, just an egregiously degenerated form of it.
But you are comparing yourself to believers according to your system. You are comparing yourself to the ignorant.
I am not comparing myself to anyone. I compare beliefs to what is / can be known which certainly falsify the belief.
So all believe is ignorance, but prior you where (?) stating only beleif (?) based ignorance.
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Yes - one can be ignorant, yet know they know not, which is a knowledge: Conscious Knowledge of Ignorance (Inference) Theorem CKIIT.
So you are accusing me of nazism for talking about circles....was Euclid as Nazi?
I am accusing you of no such thing.
Pain and suffering is subjective...you cannot prove it.
I will simply state: anyone who "believes" pain/suffering is "subjective" is either insane or using it as a device to bury ones own (or both).

Christ consciousness does not come less by way of knowing the suffering of others, and this is impossible if one suffers themselves esp. if they are searching for outside sources.
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