Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:01 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:59 am Well there's no cure for cracked eggs, might as well enjoy the omelette..
I wanted omelette. That's why I cracked the eggs.
No one cracked the egg, and no one can put what no one cracked back together again.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:02 am There comes a time when one just has to walk away from an irrational person.
The Aumann agreement theorem does not allow me to. I know and believe I can come to an agreement with anybody. Given enough time to unpack all the details.

Therefore I cannot walk away until we agree, or until you walk away.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:02 am Try it sometimes, it's very enlightening.

I can choose who I was to discuss with and Lacewing is now off my list.

Get over it.
Of course you can. You are free to build an echo chamber to your liking. We all are.

Only - most of us choose not to.
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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:06 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:02 am There comes a time when one just has to walk away from an irrational person.
The Aumann agreement theorem does not allow me to. I know and believe I can come to an agreement with anybody.

Therefore I cannot walk away until we agree, or until you walk away.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:02 am Try it sometimes, it's very enlightening.

I can choose who I was to discuss with and Lacewing is now off my list.

Get over it.
Of course you can. You are free to build an echo chamber to your liking. We all are.

Only - most of us choose not to.

We are only ever talking to oursleves until we shut up and be silent...retreating to the ultimate truth of reality of who and what we are.
Everything else is a destructive distortion of truth.

I'm not interested in your silly mind/words games....fuck off.

I do however like talking to Age.

And will continue to do so.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am We are only ever talking to oursleves until we shut up and be silent...
No. You are definitely talking to another "self" here and this is definitely not a monologue.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am I'm not interested in your silly mind/words games....fuck off.
My "games" are called game theory. My "games" are played towards the common objective of reaching some sort of agreement.

Which you clearly do not wish to attain.

You play these "games" too. The only difference is that I am consciously aware of me doing it.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am I do however like talking to Age.
And will continue to do so.
If your only objective is self-amusement then you should've said so.

But if you are only talking to yourself, are you really talking to Age?

Tsk tsk. confused mind.
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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am We are only ever talking to oursleves until we shut up and be silent...
No. You are definitely talking to another "self" here and this is definitely not a monologue.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am I'm not interested in your silly mind/words games....fuck off.
My "games" are called game theory. My "games" are played towards the common objective of reaching some sort of agreement.

Which you clearly do not wish to attain.
Clearly.

Well observed, do you want a medal?

Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 amIf your only objective is self-amusement then you should've said so.
I think I've already made that clear. Are you a deaf dumb and blind kid too?
Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 amBut if you are only talking to yourself, are you really talking to Age?
Yes, Age is myself.
Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 amTsk tsk. confused mind.
Nope, just to clarify, I've gone beyond that belief ..from belief to clarity.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:18 am Clearly.

Well observed, do you want a medal?
No. I just want you to own your irrationality rather than externalize it to "reality".
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:50 am Reality is irrational
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:50 am I own it, so I have no argument with you or anyone.
You don't own it. So you clearly have an argument with yourself.

Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:50 am Yes, Age is myself.
But Lacewing isn't yourself? Poor dualist :)
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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 am My "games" are called game theory. My "games" are played towards the common objective of reaching some sort of agreement.
You will play the game of trying to win your view point over to your side of the agreement fence, you will continue to make a big noise until that happens.

We stop playing that game when we see clearly that we are actually on both sides of the fence at once...and then the game continues in harmony without friction.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 am You will play the game of trying to win your view point over to your side of the agreement fence, you will continue to make a big noise until that happens.
Nonsense. I stop playing the game when we both end up on the same side of the fence.

Whether you come to my side, or I come to yours.

Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 am We stop playing that game when we see clearly that we are actually on both sides of the fence at once...and then the game continues in harmony without friction.
I see. So you are dualist AND a non-dualist?
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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 am But Lacewing isn't yourself? Poor dualist :)
Lacewing is myself that I choose to ignore.

You know, just like when you get a bad depressive cloud wash over your sense of being, a true master of self will just ignore it, by cutting off it's food supply until it dies.

It's kind of like that...don't you know.

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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:26 am I see. So you are dualist AND a non-dualist?
Yes, because I'm on both sides of the fence at the same time.

I'm really clever like that.

Call it magic or whatever.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:27 am Lacewing is myself that I choose to ignore.
So you can ignore yourself and not ignore yourself.

Poor dualist.

Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:27 am You know, just like when you get a bad depressive cloud wash over your sense of being, a true master of self will just ignore it, by cutting off it's food supply until it dies.
True master of self can prevent depressive cloud from entering their sky. Prevention is higher mastery than cure.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:29 am Yes, because I'm on both sides of the fence at the same time.

I'm really clever like that.

Call it magic or whatever.
No need to call it magic. I'll just call it what it is.

Dualism.
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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:30 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:27 am Lacewing is myself that I choose to ignore.
So you can ignore yourself and not ignore yourself.

Poor dualist.
Yes, you have the choice of ignoring yourself or not.
It's very empowering, hardly poor.


Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:30 amTrue master of self can prevent depressive cloud from entering their sky.
No, there is nothing to stop what's happening, how can you stop yourself from happening...try unmaking yourself right now and see how far you get?

A depressive cloud is an abstract feeling...that can be ignored, it's called power of the mind, believe it's there and it will be, don't believe and it will vanish like a salamander in the midday sun.

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Logik wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:30 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:29 am Yes, because I'm on both sides of the fence at the same time.

I'm really clever like that.

Call it magic or whatever.
No need to call it magic. I'll just call it what it is.

Dualism.
Call it what ever you like...but it will never touch what it really is/not.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:36 am Yes, you have the choice of ignoring yourself or not.
It's very empowering, hardly poor.
A CHOICE mind you?

Deciding between TWO things mind you?

Poor dualist.

Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:36 am No, there is nothing to stop what's happening, how can you stop yourself from happening...try unmaking yourself right now and see how far you get?

A depressive cloud is an abstract feeling...that can be ignored, it's called power of the mind, believe it's there and it will be, don't believe and it will vanish like a salamander in the midday sun.
So there is nothing to stop the cloud but something to ignore it.

*cough*Dualism*cough*
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