Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 amBELIEFs come in a range from unjustified to justified true beliefs.Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:57 pmPrfromTexas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:18 am
Beliefs are inherent - I would not deny that in any case. While our perception and interpretation of phenomena and things changes due to temporal and spacial changes, beliefs also change accordingly.
If beliefs can also change, then why do you have BELIEFS, and maintain them?
If beliefs can change, then that means that they were NOT true, right, nor correct, in the beginning.
BELIEFS do NOT just appear and are uncontrollable.
So, If a BELIEF is NOT necessarily True, Right, nor Correct, and you do in fact control what to BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE, then WHY do YOU choose to have and/or hold some BELIEFS, in the first place?
I control whether I have, and hold, a BELIEF, or not. But of course, you may well BELIEVE that BELIEFS are NOT controllable, and that you have absolutely NO say in what happens here regarding this. So, what do you (choose to) say and/or (choose to) BELIEVE here, in this regard?
This does NOT necessitate that human beings MUST HAVE beliefs.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 amThus a belief can change from 'unjustified' to 'justified' and this is what is happening in Science.
This does NOT necessitate that human beings MUST HAVE beliefs.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 amWhen the apple hit Newton's head, he believed there must be some sort of operating laws behind the experience and event.
What actual EVIDENCE do YOU have that a human being called "newtown" BELIEVED such a thing?
IF you have said such EVIDENCE, then this STILL does NOT necessitate that human beings MUST HAVE beliefs.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 am He then went on to justify his beliefs as a theory,
Developing a 'theory' does NOT necessarily justify one's beliefs, in and of itself. Any one can have any belief, they so choose to have, and then develop any theory, they so choose to do, from that belief. But this does NOT, by itself, justify the belief, NOR, does it necessitate that human beings MUST HAVE beliefs.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 ami.e. a Justified True Belief that can be tested repeatedly with the same results.
The whole point in developing a theory, based upon or not based upon a BELIEF, is to have it tested. If that testing results in a theory, which was based upon a BELIEF, being found to be justifiably True, then one MAY then NOW propose that that is a Justified True Belief. But to do it the order that you have proposed here is beyond reason.
1. Have a BELIEF. (Unnecessary).
2. Then justify this belief as a theory (Absurdity in itself).
3. Call that theory a Justified True Belief. (More absurdity).
4. And THEN test, repeatedly. (Bit late if the theory is ALREADY called a Justified True Belief)
5. Wait to see if the same results occur. (Why wait? From the beginning at step 1, it was already a BELIEF, and would a person have a BELIEF in some thing that was not even True? You had that BELIEF already JUSTIFIED back at step 2. And at step 3 that BELIEF was already a Justified True Belief).
This IS just preposterous.
What actual EVIDENCE do you HAVE that human beings MUST HAVE beliefs?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 amIt is madness to insist "I do not have any beliefs"
Okay. Your BELIEF, and argument, now is;
I am absolutely mad.
You are completely sane.
Therefore, this MUST be True. (Full stop)
WHERE is YOUR example of just one BELIEF that, you insist, I MUST HAVE?