Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

[Walker]

I dunno. 200 years ago most of congress were slave owners. !00 years ago half of them were in the Ku Klux Klan. America has a record of bouncing back from complacency, although it usually takes a civil or world war to wake them up. Let's hope you can find a different way this time.

That half in the Klan were the Democrats, who still aren't woke, to use their misused word.

[Walker]

See, Lincoln was a Republican, and when the slaves were freed, the Dems immediately began their resistance to the country, with actions like the klan.

See, Trump is a Republican, and when he was elected, the Dems immediately began to ramp-up their resistance to the country.

See?

[Walker]

I still think that Van Jones made some very good points, though as FlashDangerPants points out, some people are a waste of breath.

Obama, who selected Jones to be a Czar, made some good points, too.

For instance he said, if you like your plan you can keep your plan, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period.

That was a good point, however those who saw through it, saw it was not a waste of breath.

Instead, it was a lie to fool the gullible, and it achieved the objective.
Those gullible were Democrats.
Not a single Republican voted for the lie.

Do you detect a pattern in history, or because it is not spelled out to your liking and festooned with citations from Dem approved sources, are you blind to the pattern?

[FlashDangerpants]

Apparently Van jones flirted with some sort of actual communism in the 90s.
But more recently he has worked for that dastardly Obama chap, which tends to be enough reason for Walker to hate on anyone forever and discount everything they ever say.

What he says in that video is fine enough as a set of words, although his comments on rap and conservatism suggest he has never heard any rap or met a conservative. The USA might well be a better place if church pleading conservatives tried to gain votes from all those highly religious black and latino districts. But would it make that much difference?

And really, you have to wonder whether pandering to MAGA-hatted rednecks like Walker is genuinely useful from the other side. I get it, they are feeling all "othered" which makes them prime voting stock for the Democrats. But so many of them cannot be made happy because they are stuck wishing for a return to some imagined happier times when black folks took their weekly beating from the cops without getting all uppity about it.

I know that although Walker and I don't exactly see eye to eye much of the time, I've never seen him write anything remotely racist or redneck. He likes Trump. Is that a crime?

Walker doesn't seem to be directly racist. But I am pretty sure he regards the whole black lives matter setup as some sort of communism, and doesn't appear to believe that they have much of a point about the fact that unarmed black people seem to get disproportionately shot, strangled, and beaten to death by the US cops. These are, as Van Jones said, Americans, sometimes being murdered with impunity.

And he has this whole thing about black people lacking gratitude to the Republicans for what Lincoln did in the century before last. Even though black people in the South voted overwhelmingly Republican for the century after that event, and only switched when the Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater (who fought against the Civil Rights Act that, you know, gave them actual voting rights) and started taking in the racist KKK Dixie Democrats who were being expelled from the Democratic party in the 60s and 70s.

So while I wouldn't consider him an actual racist, he is the sort of not-racist who just casually dismisses the concerns of other races without consideration for any merit they may have. I doubt most of the other MAGA-hatted rednecks are any more racist than that either. I can't imagine any beyond the crazed fringes want miscegenation laws or whites only drinking fountains back. But they do seem to be intolerant of all this complaining black folks do about the cops shooting them, and they do tend to view any loss of special white status as a sign of reverse racism.

Walker did after all give you this quote without much consideration:
“Reporters also uncovered a number of racist statements Mr. Jones has made, including this one from January of last year (2008): "’the white polluters and white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people-of-color communities."’
Is that actually a racist statement? Surely not if it is true. It's hardly as if that sort of thing has never happened.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-nel ... 90555.html
And what colour were those men that the US government deliberately infected with syphilis?

This sort of overeagerness to accuse black people of racism when they complain about racist shit they have been subjected to is... overenthusiasm perhaps. Naivety maybe? Or perhaps it is just cover for something. It's nothing good either way.

[FlashDangerpants]

I still think that Van Jones made some very good points, though as FlashDangerPants points out, some people are a waste of breath.

Obama, who selected Jones to be a Czar, made some good points, too.

For instance he said, if you like your plan you can keep your plan, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period.

That was a good point, however those who saw through it, saw it was not a waste of breath.

Instead, it was a lie to fool the gullible, and it achieved the objective.
Those gullible were Democrats.
Not a single Republican voted for the lie.

Do you detect a pattern in history, or because it is not spelled out to your liking and festooned with citations from Dem approved sources, are you blind to the pattern?

Yeah. A lot like that lie a more recent presidential candidate told a bunch deluded coal miner sons about getting them their daddies' jobs to do.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'Reverse racism' is patronising and racist in itself. It's implying that only 'white' people can be racist, since they are 'inherently superior'. ''Progressives'' use the word as a weapon they have little control over, flinging it around mindlessly like a toddler with a lightsabre.
Racism is racism. It's not even possible to be a 'reverse racist'.

[FlashDangerpants]

'Reverse racism' is patronising and racist in itself. It's implying that only 'white' people can be racist, since they are inherently superior. ''Progressives'' use the word as a weapon they have little control over, flinging it around mindlessly like a toddler with a lightsabre.
Racism is racism. It's not even possible to be a 'reverse racist'.

Why would that be so? In India non-Indians compain of racism quite a lot. When they return the favour, that is reverse racism, there needn't be a single white person involved in the entire transaction.

As a rule, reverse racism is just racism against the normal flow (which is typically from majority to minority).

Everybody can be racist, probably everybody is, and that's almost certainly the most Libtard sentence I have ever written. The only difference with whiteys like me is that we get to be racist absolutely everywhere we go, whereas Indians only really get to be the racists in India.

The special advantage I get from being English is that I get to be racist against Americans of all colours, and the f****** French as well.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'Reverse racism' is patronising and racist in itself. It's implying that only 'white' people can be racist, since they are inherently superior. ''Progressives'' use the word as a weapon they have little control over, flinging it around mindlessly like a toddler with a lightsabre.
Racism is racism. It's not even possible to be a 'reverse racist'.

Why would that be so? In India non-Indians compain of racism quite a lot. When they return the favour, that is reverse racism, there needn't be a single white person involved in the entire transaction.

As a rule, reverse racism is just racism against the normal flow (which is typically from majority to minority).

Everybody can be racist, probably everybody is, and that's almost certainly the most Libtard sentence I have ever written. The only difference with whiteys like me is that we get to be racist absolutely everywhere we go, whereas Indians only really get to be the racists in India.

The special advantage I get from being English is that I get to be racist against Americans of all colours, and the f****** French as well.

Who decided that?? So the white South Africans were 'reverse racists'?

[FlashDangerpants]

'Reverse racism' is patronising and racist in itself. It's implying that only 'white' people can be racist, since they are inherently superior. ''Progressives'' use the word as a weapon they have little control over, flinging it around mindlessly like a toddler with a lightsabre.
Racism is racism. It's not even possible to be a 'reverse racist'.

Why would that be so? In India non-Indians compain of racism quite a lot. When they return the favour, that is reverse racism, there needn't be a single white person involved in the entire transaction.

As a rule, reverse racism is just racism against the normal flow (which is typically from majority to minority).

Everybody can be racist, probably everybody is, and that's almost certainly the most Libtard sentence I have ever written. The only difference with whiteys like me is that we get to be racist absolutely everywhere we go, whereas Indians only really get to be the racists in India.

The special advantage I get from being English is that I get to be racist against Americans of all colours, and the f****** French as well.

Who decided that?? So the white South Africans were 'reverse racists'?

That one would be atypical in that the majority were dominated by a minority.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Right...

[Walker]

That's one of the reasons Obama skated as the darling of the press and gullible for eight years.

Anyone who dared to question what the hell was going on was called a racist ... by the racists.

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Here’s a little more research confirming a history remembered as actually happening, with more analysis from another one who Flash would call racist for daring to say something accurate about Van Jones.

“One of Jones's more ‘creative ideas’ was signing a petition in 2004 calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York attorney general into ‘evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.’"

“That's right. Valerie Jarrett took credit for recruiting a 9/11 truther who endorsed a petition peddling the crackpot theory that President George W. Bush "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

“Under fire, Jones disavowed the statement he had attached his name to — and decried those who dared to hold him responsible for his "creative ideas." It was conservative bloggers, not "real journalists," who exposed Jones's long record of radicalism to the public — leading to his resignation in September 2009.

“Van Jones did not just accidentally slip through the cracks of the Obama vetters. They knew what he espoused before they installed him. So did his bosses at CNN who hired him in 2013.

“It wasn't his expertise in political science, political history, electoral trends or journalism that got him the job. It was his social justice resume. He rose to public prominence as a race-baiting agitator at the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in Oakland, funded by the George Soros-supported Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the liberal Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation. He became a public fixture in the Bay Area after crusading to free convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal for a Marxist organization and lambasting moderate civil rights leaders for objecting to politicizing the classrooms.”

More here:

The Messy Truth About Van Jones
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/mich ... -van-jones

(Edited down to two racist references, for proportion)

[Walker]

I still think that Van Jones made some very good points, though as FlashDangerPants points out, some people are a waste of breath.

Obama, who selected Jones to be a Czar, made some good points, too.

For instance he said, if you like your plan you can keep your plan, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period.

That was a good point, however those who saw through it, saw it was not a waste of breath.

Instead, it was a lie to fool the gullible, and it achieved the objective.
Those gullible were Democrats.
Not a single Republican voted for the lie.

Do you detect a pattern in history, or because it is not spelled out to your liking and festooned with citations from Dem approved sources, are you blind to the pattern?

Yeah. A lot like that lie a more recent presidential candidate told a bunch deluded coal miner sons about getting them their daddies' jobs to do.

One half of one percent.

Kind of says it all, doesn't it.

[Lacewing]

Well, Wanker is clearly a f****** idiot...

I was impressed, uwot, that you maintained a calm and logical approach for as long as you did in the discussion you are referring to. It was like an ecstatic explosion when you finally let loose as you did above. Sometimes, despite all skill and perseverance, profanity is inevitable. Based on the level of dishonesty and cowardliness in the person who has consistently proven to be a wanker (by playing games and refusing to answer straight questions about their absurd claims)... it can be tempting to START the discussion with profanity. Saves time and energy!

[Walker]

Feel free to write something intelligent ... don't hold back.

If you do, I'll honestly let you know.
You can trust me on that.

Exploding on a wall, as you call me?
Well, what a display. Congratulations.
One gold star, for expressiveness.

Now try and clean it up, feel free, stick to the topic.

Am I your topic?
I think I'm Flash's topic.

What is this little nest?

[Greta]

The scary thing is conservatives used to hide their crazy. I used to think they were hypocrites because they seemed to act like holier than thou bible thumpers but their dark ugly side would come out once in awhile.

Now, that Trump has made it trendy, they can show their ugly side all the time. There is no good side left.

Gone is the day when they at least tried to follow the bibles verses. That's gone....terrifying if you ask me. People who have no moral compass and no bible to tell them right from wrong...there is no going back from here...

Yes, the issue is when people are no longer responsive to reason. Once that happens, there is only conflict. You cannot reason with the seriously religious - not by their very principles. So the public conversation is descending into shouting matches because there is nothing else once reason is abandoned.

It is ironic that the more fervent the religious, the further they stray from the tenets of their religions. Jesus mostly spoke about helping the poor, the oppressed, the rejected and bullied.

However religious neocons have aligned with the Pharisees - focused on bleeding hearts, guns, snowflakes, permission of hate speech, feminists, queers, rag-heads, welfare bludgers and abortionists. Like the Pharisees, they are certain of their moral high ground while actually operating antithetically to their supposed creed.

Meanwhile, the religious ones who are actually doing good are comparatively moderate and relaxed about the religion itself, being more passionate about people's wellbeing than politicking.

Ironic.