Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

[Walker]

You're full of theories.
Use your own source.
Your own link.
Obtuseness has blinded you.

[artisticsolution]

You're full of theories.
Use your own source.
Your own link.
Obtuseness has blinded you.

Walker, can you give me one concrete example of communism, using your own words?

[Walker]

You're full of theories.
Use your own source.
Your own link.
Obtuseness has blinded you.

Walker, can you give me one concrete example of communism, using your own words?

How about if you define it, any way you like including examples, then tell me why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?

That's what is supposedly going on in the OP.

[artisticsolution]

You're full of theories.
Use your own source.
Your own link.
Obtuseness has blinded you.

Walker, can you give me one concrete example of communism, using your own words?

How about if you define it, any way you like including examples, then tell me why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?

That's what is supposedly going on in the OP.

You first...

[Walker]

Walker, can you give me one concrete example of communism, using your own words?

How about if you define it, any way you like including examples, then tell me why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?

That's what is supposedly going on in the OP.

You first...

I have no need to.
It's your interest.

If you want your interest to be relevant to the thread, find out what Van Jones has to say about communism.

You and uwot, if you don’t have something to pick at you don’t have much to say.

[uwot]

You're full of theories.

Well yes, but as I said, they are my theories and if anyone can give me a compelling reason to change them, I will do so.

Use your own source.
Your own link.

Which I have. My theory of Van Jones is based entirely on one youtube clip and a wikipedia entry, hardly exhaustive research, but neither of which suggest that he is a communist. You on the other hand have decided that he is a communist because:

Van Jones has been described as a communist.

But you don't know who by, or what they mean by communist.

Obtuseness has blinded you.

Well, if you are too stupid to maintain an argument and would prefer to exchange insults, we can do that too.

Your choice.

[FlashDangerpants]

Apparently Van jones flirted with some sort of actual communism in the 90s.
But more recently he has worked for that dastardly Obama chap, which tends to be enough reason for Walker to hate on anyone forever and discount everything they ever say.

What he says in that video is fine enough as a set of words, although his comments on rap and conservatism suggest he has never heard any rap or met a conservative. The USA might well be a better place if church pleading conservatives tried to gain votes from all those highly religious black and latino districts. But would it make that much difference?

And really, you have to wonder whether pandering to MAGA-hatted rednecks like Walker is genuinely useful from the other side. I get it, they are feeling all "othered" which makes them prime voting stock for the Democrats. But so many of them cannot be made happy because they are stuck wishing for a return to some imagined happier times when black folks took their weekly beating from the cops without getting all uppity about it.

[Walker]

uwot:

You yourself don't read the links that you provide.
How stupid is that?
A: Very.

Apparently Flashy Pants can't read it either, or the footnotes in your link, or else he doesn't know what flirt means.

Here's another link to misread, that removes the tedium of all that selective research that wasn't done.

How Could Obama Have Hired Van Jones?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 98293.html

Anyway, point proven.

Van Jones is no authority on conservatism to be defining and lecturing on the topic, just because he stole the name, liberal.

Don't be so naive.

[Walker]

“Reporters also uncovered a number of racist statements Mr. Jones has made, including this one from January of last year (2008): "’the white polluters and white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people-of-color communities."’
- Ibid

FlashDangerpants will tell you that Van Jones is just a little flirt, with racism.

Oh, and your liberal hypocrisy is beginning to be revealed, one wonders if you actually do want to listen to the Van Jones video as I did (and I also read your link which you didn't comprehend), open minded that I am.

Quite a nasty tone that you're using there, uwot, that seems to be insisting no, we all can't just get along.
(Maybe it's just a limitation of some sort, with the medium)

And hell, that's not even getting into the lesson of renewables delusion that Flash learned.

[uwot]

Quite a nasty tone that you're using there, uwot, that seems to be insisting no, we all can't just get along.

Well, I tried, but you really are a tosser.

(Maybe it's just a limitation of some sort, with the medium)

No, the medium works fine.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Apparently Van jones flirted with some sort of actual communism in the 90s.
But more recently he has worked for that dastardly Obama chap, which tends to be enough reason for Walker to hate on anyone forever and discount everything they ever say.

What he says in that video is fine enough as a set of words, although his comments on rap and conservatism suggest he has never heard any rap or met a conservative. The USA might well be a better place if church pleading conservatives tried to gain votes from all those highly religious black and latino districts. But would it make that much difference?

And really, you have to wonder whether pandering to MAGA-hatted rednecks like Walker is genuinely useful from the other side. I get it, they are feeling all "othered" which makes them prime voting stock for the Democrats. But so many of them cannot be made happy because they are stuck wishing for a return to some imagined happier times when black folks took their weekly beating from the cops without getting all uppity about it.

I know that although Walker and I don't exactly see eye to eye much of the time, I've never seen him write anything remotely racist or redneck. He likes Trump. Is that a crime?

[artisticsolution]

Apparently Van jones flirted with some sort of actual communism in the 90s.
But more recently he has worked for that dastardly Obama chap, which tends to be enough reason for Walker to hate on anyone forever and discount everything they ever say.

What he says in that video is fine enough as a set of words, although his comments on rap and conservatism suggest he has never heard any rap or met a conservative. The USA might well be a better place if church pleading conservatives tried to gain votes from all those highly religious black and latino districts. But would it make that much difference?

And really, you have to wonder whether pandering to MAGA-hatted rednecks like Walker is genuinely useful from the other side. I get it, they are feeling all "othered" which makes them prime voting stock for the Democrats. But so many of them cannot be made happy because they are stuck wishing for a return to some imagined happier times when black folks took their weekly beating from the cops without getting all uppity about it.

I know that Walker and I don't exactly see eye to eye much of the time I've never seen him write anything remotely racist or redneck. He likes Trump. Is that a crime?

Liking Trump is no crime. It's just frustrating why he can't explain why he thinks liberals are hypocrites. I have no idea what about liberalism he thinks is horrible. Or what about communism for that matter...not that the 2 are even related...since, as quite a few have pointed out, liberalism means very different things in different areas of the globe?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Apparently Van jones flirted with some sort of actual communism in the 90s.
But more recently he has worked for that dastardly Obama chap, which tends to be enough reason for Walker to hate on anyone forever and discount everything they ever say.

What he says in that video is fine enough as a set of words, although his comments on rap and conservatism suggest he has never heard any rap or met a conservative. The USA might well be a better place if church pleading conservatives tried to gain votes from all those highly religious black and latino districts. But would it make that much difference?

And really, you have to wonder whether pandering to MAGA-hatted rednecks like Walker is genuinely useful from the other side. I get it, they are feeling all "othered" which makes them prime voting stock for the Democrats. But so many of them cannot be made happy because they are stuck wishing for a return to some imagined happier times when black folks took their weekly beating from the cops without getting all uppity about it.

I know that Walker and I don't exactly see eye to eye much of the time I've never seen him write anything remotely racist or redneck. He likes Trump. Is that a crime?

Liking Trump is no crime. It's just frustrating why he can't explain why he thinks liberals are hypocrites. I have no idea what about liberalism he thinks is horrible. Or what about communism for that matter...not that the 2 are even related...since, as quite a few have pointed out, liberalism means very different things in different areas of the globe?

I know what he means by 'liberals' and I agree that they are hypocrites. I don't regard them as liberal though, but I've given up on flogging that dead horse.

[uwot]

The scary thing is conservatives used to hide their crazy.

What I liked about the link in the OP was the conciliatory tone. Walker's response is playground stuff:

The video begins with a reasonable mea culpa for liberals...

So he listens to anything that supports his worldview...

...the rest of whatever he said was probably fog...

...but switches of the moment he has to think.

I used to think they were hypocrites because they seemed to act like holier than thou bible thumpers but their dark ugly side would come out once in awhile.

I still think that Van Jones made some very good points, though as FlashDangerPants points out, some people are a waste of breath.

Now, that Trump has made it trendy, they can show their ugly side all the time. There is no good side left.

The fusionists ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusionism ) have been very successful. Economic conservatives need the social and religious conservatives for the tedious business of democracy, but they can afford to buy them. Not only that, but religious conservatives have adopted the same tactics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy) The plan is to make it simple for the hard of thinking and turn any debate into a comic strip with two dimensional characters like The Liberal and The Atheist. It's yer basic divide and conquer.

Gone is the day when they at least tried to follow the bibles verses. That's gone....terrifying if you ask me.

I'm more concerned about the nutters who do follow bible verses, particularly those impatient for Armageddon/Rapture.

People who have no moral compass and no bible to tell them right from wrong...there is no going back from here...and i am sure even Walker has no idea what can come of this pandoras box. I doubt very seriously he's going to like where the MAGA trend is going.

I dunno. 200 years ago most of congress were slave owners. !00 years ago half of them were in the Ku Klux Klan. America has a record of bouncing back from complacency, although it usually takes a civil or world war to wake them up. Let's hope you can find a different way this time.

[Walker]

Just curious what you think so bad?

That's a head scratcher, but I think I got the gist.

Research and learn, or research and see only what you want to see, or don’t research and disagree.

You seem to think in terms of opinion.

Security clearance question:

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of any foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which is totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive; or which has adopted or shows a policy advocating or approving the commission of force or violence to deny other persons their rights under the Constitution of the United States, or which seems [sic] to alter the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means?"

“… combination of persons …” describes Van Jones associations, some of whom may have been Dutch.

But hey, no one in power really cares about that sort of thing when the top doesn't care, when rule of law gets replaced by rule of man, which is what also happened with the border control and immigration.

Funny thing, but it's been demonstrated that some folks can read that security clearance question, or perhaps something else, and not even see the C word. If you want to hide and minimize, it helps to bury it amongst words, like hiding a hippo in a herd of hippos, as the truthful experiencers will attest.