Muslims/Mexicans Are Taking Over

[Arising_uk]

Has this forum gone absolutely fucking mad?

No, this happens every now and then when some other forum collapses or expels members.

[Arising_uk]

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..., like she is saying "Please love me, look how hurt and angry I am, please see that I am just a hurt soul looking to hurt someone else to deal with my pain."

I think this more a case of projection and you forgot to add paranoia to your description.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

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..., like she is saying "Please love me, look how hurt and angry I am, please see that I am just a hurt soul looking to hurt someone else to deal with my pain."

I think this more a case of projection and you forgot to add paranoia to your description.

Maybe I am projecting, because she just reminds me of one of those girls who used to follow me around and bully me at school, and harass me or physically assault me till eventually I snap at them and tell them to leave me alone/and or hit them back (after they physically assault me for no reason) and then they come crying to me declaring they just love me and like to tease me because I don't know, their hormone levels are over 9000.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

Where have I done that?

You literally admitted that you were equivocating between the two types of bigotry, and your counterpoint to that was that you just didn't see how that was a bad thing. At this point, it just feels like I'm pulling teeth, because it doesn't seem you actually understand any of my points, and you don't even understand your own points.

It's clear that you were originally trying to draw a pretty direct comparison between muslim hatred and a racial hatred. You went on to make the point about the sub-saharans like it's a similarity, and I responded how that is missing the mark entirely.

Islamists? No not really. Did you mean muslims there or did you really mean islamists?

What the hell is wrong with you? Of course it means the same thing, I was just using temporal language to demonstrate the absurdity. If someone follows a religion, than to some extent or another, they do follow the tenets of that religion.

You've gone wildly off the topic then..

By me responding to a point YOU had made? How does that work?

The claim I was addressing was a straight forward statement of false fact that Mexicans actually cause wages to fall for Americans. I'm not talking about that stuff and if you want to go there then you are opening a massively expanded conversation about different stuff entirely.

You keep telling me that you're not talking about stuff you clearly are, just by looking back at the immediate quotes. I'm having a hard time figuring out what went so wrong with this discussion, that we're on two entirely separate pages.

That was my response to your petty grammatical quibble, don't be a forgetful wanker.

I know, that's what I was responding to.

Alright, I'm just about done here. I don't see a sense in continuing this discussion if it's this discombobulated.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

I looked through your posts again

You did not, you lying piece of flex tape.

>Accuses poster of being a 'radical leftist'

>Poster demonstrates how you are just misinterpreting the situation into the exact opposite of what it really is

>Continues to misinterpret the clarification of the misinterpreted situation

Green-texting w/ out green text, when the stupidity is just too much not to meme.

leftists like you now imagine they're conservative.

Notice how I never actually denied that I'm not left-leaning, I'm just pointing out how you couldn't have gotten that impression from the contents of this thread, in fact you should have gotten the opposite impression, if anything.

I've been interested

I'm not. Was this all just a ploy to promote your website that looks like it would be a place on the deep web where people talk about child pornography and animal gore?

[FlashDangerpants]

Where have I done that?

You literally admitted that you were equivocating between the two types of bigotry, and your counterpoint to that was that you just didn't see how that was a bad thing. At this point, it just feels like I'm pulling teeth, because it doesn't seem you actually understand any of my points, and you don't even understand your own points.

Wtf are you on about? I asked where I have done the thing you said in your post which was "talk about arabic people and muslims as though they're the same thing" ... that's not what I have done at all. I made a comparison between hating a race and hating a religion without ever once giving you grounds to suppose I was conflating the religion with the race. I was using an analogy, which is a thing you do when object A is relevantly similar to object B, not when A and B are identical.

It's clear that you were originally trying to draw a pretty direct comparison between muslim hatred and a racial hatred. You went on to make the point about the sub-saharans like it's a similarity, and I responded how that is missing the mark entirely.

Pay more attention at the back there. I gave you a quote from Trixie about sub saharans and said exactly these words about it... "I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh." That was the entirety of the point. You're reading shit into that I didn't write and I see no reason for you to have inferred it.

Still it makes no difference. When I say hatred of of a religion is similar to hatred of a race, I am still not saying that races are religions and religions are races.

Islamists? No not really. Did you mean muslims there or did you really mean islamists?

What the hell is wrong with you? Of course it means the same thing, I was just using temporal language to demonstrate the absurdity. If someone follows a religion, than to some extent or another, they do follow the tenets of that religion.

Sure, as far as that goes. I mean obviously the KKK are Christians who follow the tenets of Christianity in some sense, but there's a certain sense in which they also don't right? I think most other Christians are nicer than the KKK although obviously some of them diddle the choirboys which is a questionable way to follow the tenets of their faith. Islamists such as Hamas and Boko Haram can reasonably be compared to the KKK, if we are agreed that the KKK follow Christian tenets to some degree, then sure, Al Qaida follows Islamic tenets to that degree as well.

That doesn't mean that the common factor of christians is weraing white hoods and dominating coloured folk, and likewise it doesn't mean that the standard trait of muslims is murder.

You've gone wildly off the topic then..

By me responding to a point YOU had made? How does that work?

Ok, we've gone wildly off topic then. We've wandered into stupid territory either way and should stop.

The claim I was addressing was a straight forward statement of false fact that Mexicans actually cause wages to fall for Americans. I'm not talking about that stuff and if you want to go there then you are opening a massively expanded conversation about different stuff entirely.

You keep telling me that you're not talking about stuff you clearly are, just by looking back at the immediate quotes. I'm having a hard time figuring out what went so wrong with this discussion, that we're on two entirely separate pages.

I don't know, you keep dragging us into weird stuff that makes no sense and I have been foolishly trying to work out what you are on about. Either way, the start point was what actual effect a thing has on wages, there's no value in turning that into "what would change the collective will of other americans" because that's just vacuous.

That was my response to your petty grammatical quibble, don't be a forgetful wanker.

I know, that's what I was responding to.

Alright, I'm just about done here. I don't see a sense in continuing this discussion if it's this discombobulated.

meh

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

Wtf are you on about? I asked where I have done the thing you said in your post which was "talk about arabic people and muslims as though they're the same thing" ... that's not what I have done at all. I made a comparison

I think you are being disingenuous about what the nature of what you were originally attempting to do.

"You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist, but you exhibit identical levels of broad and nasty prejudice, so you're only fooling yourself" Notice the last part, and how you never actually flat-out said 'hating muslims doesn't make you racist'. You were clearly trying to paint a picture of what people who hate 'muslims' are really like, and all about.

But whatever, all the garbage trixie has been posting has made this thread exceedingly difficult to sift through.

Pay more attention at the back there. I gave you a quote from Trixie about sub saharans and said exactly these words about it... "I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh." That was the entirety of the point. You're reading shit into that I didn't write and I see no reason for you to have inferred it.

The entirety of your point was that you didn't actually want to talk about the point? How interesting.

But looking back at the post, I did forget why you brought up the sub-saharan thing, it was because you thought I was defending trixie against the accusations that she was racist, period, while I was really defending her against the accusation that she was racist specifically because she 'hates muslims'. That particular point wasn't even to make a comparison between the two. This discussion has gotten so messy that I was mistaken about that, though I think you can see why, so I apologize.

Sure, as far as that goes. I mean obviously the KKK are Christians

That's not necessarily true, by its very definition, but if it was we'd only be talking about a sub-group of christians who follow the tenets of the KKK, and the vice versa.

That doesn't mean that the common factor of christians is weraing white hoods and dominating coloured folk, and likewise it doesn't mean that the standard trait of muslims is murder.

Well, I think we would need to determine if christian tenets actually have a factor to play in that, which I'm sure they do in some capacity, but in a much fuzzier way as a mainstream-deviation rather than the mainstream itself.

I don't know, you keep dragging us into weird stuff that makes no sense and I have been foolishly trying to work out what you are on about. Either way, the start point was what actual effect a thing has on wages, there's no value in turning that into "what would change the collective will of other americans" because that's just vacuous.

Because you made it a point that I or you wouldn't work in the field instead of these immigrants; I pointed out how that's so besides the issue, because I never made the argument that I would take the job if it paid well enough, we were talking about the economy at large. How do you not understand this? 'You make point, I rebutted the point', you don't get to just say how my rebuttal goes off topic when you were the one who made that particular topic.

[FlashDangerpants]

Wtf are you on about? I asked where I have done the thing you said in your post which was "talk about arabic people and muslims as though they're the same thing" ... that's not what I have done at all. I made a comparison

I think you are being disingenuous about what the nature of what you were originally attempting to do.

"You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist, but you exhibit identical levels of broad and nasty prejudice, so you're only fooling yourself" Notice the last part, and how you never actually flat-out said 'hating muslims doesn't make you racist'. You were clearly trying to paint a picture of what people who hate 'muslims' are really like, and all about.

But whatever, all the garbage trixie has been posting has made this thread exceedingly difficult to sift through.

Yeah maybe. I guess what I intended there is your only fooling yourself if you think that thing is better than racism. It all sort of went down the pan a bit when I realised she was was actually a terrible fucking racist too. truth be told I never bothered reading what Trixie wrote until that one thing because it's always been utter nonsense. I actually assumed she was a nice but half mad old lady from what little I had glimpsed

Pay more attention at the back there. I gave you a quote from Trixie about sub saharans and said exactly these words about it... "I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh." That was the entirety of the point. You're reading shit into that I didn't write and I see no reason for you to have inferred it.

The entirety of your point was that you didn't actually want to talk about the point? How interesting.

Well as you can see we are agreed that the actual distinction between trixie in particular and a racist is not especially great. If it were presented as a venn diagram it would be a circle. so it seemed worth mentioning at the time but only by way of a full stop.

But looking back at the post, I did forget why you brought up the sub-saharan thing, it was because you thought I was defending trixie against the accusations that she was racist, period, while I was really defending her against the accusation that she was racist specifically because she 'hates muslims'. That particular point wasn't even to make a comparison between the two. This discussion has gotten so messy that I was mistaken about that, though I think you can see why, so I apologize.

We seem to be losing some interesting antagonism, this disturbs me ¬_¬

Sure, as far as that goes. I mean obviously the KKK are Christians

That's not necessarily true, by its very definition, but if it was we'd only be talking about a sub-group of christians who follow the tenets of the KKK, and the vice versa.

That doesn't mean that the common factor of christians is weraing white hoods and dominating coloured folk, and likewise it doesn't mean that the standard trait of muslims is murder.

Well, I think we would need to determine if christian tenets actually have a factor to play in that, which I'm sure they do in some capacity, but in a much fuzzier way as a mainstream-deviation rather than the mainstream itself.

Ok, instead of the KKK we can do the Church of South Africa or just all the black slaves the Jesuits used to own, or those guys who stand outside military funerals with "God hates fags" signs. Sooner or later we will find some absolutely dedicated christians to point at who are pure and total bastards who betray any nice stuff Jebus might have said.

In the same manner, there are various Islamists who preach that martyrdom can be achieved through aggressive war instead of through acts of mercy or else dying only in defence of direct attack on the religion. They ignore the bits in the Koran that say not do revolutions, and also ignore the bit that says other religions are basically ok (especially the bit where Muhammad explicitly protects jews). They abandon many tenets of the religion that most muslims revere along with the rest.

There is nobody out there in any religion following all the tenets of that faith because there is no religion where the tenets are not contradictory in some way. It is the nature of God that he is a sychophant who somehow agrees with everybody. If you want to be nice and charitable, God says to do that. If you want to be a dick to people, every religion allows that too.

I don't know, you keep dragging us into weird stuff that makes no sense and I have been foolishly trying to work out what you are on about. Either way, the start point was what actual effect a thing has on wages, there's no value in turning that into "what would change the collective will of other americans" because that's just vacuous.

Because you made it a point that I or you wouldn't work in the field instead of these immigrants; I pointed out how that's so besides the issue, because I never made the argument that I would take the job if it paid well enough, we were talking about the economy at large. How do you not understand this? 'You make point, I rebutted the point', you don't get to just say how my rebuttal goes off topic when you were the one who made that particular topic.

I'm just bored of that now. Let's close it off and be done.

[Seleucus]

Notice how I never actually denied that I'm not left-leaning,

Oh? You don't say?

leftists like you now imagine they're conservative.

I'm just pointing out how you couldn't have gotten that impression from the contents of this thread, in fact you should have gotten the opposite impression, if anything.

You are unable to smell your own reeking stench, which to others is quite detectable I assure you.

I've been interested

I'm not. Was this all just a ploy to promote your website that looks like it would be a place on the deep web where people talk about child pornography and animal gore?

I'm not sure what the trending topics of discussion are today at [That forum is not welcome here. Amod] It is none-the-less an example of a rightist discussion group where values expressed are something like: to "identify as a rightist, you support Trump and the Identitarian movement, you're reading Evola and de Maistre, curious about your ethnolinguistic heritage and the ancient spiritual traditions of you people". Many leftists seem not to understand what the essence of rightism is and mistake it for things like Fox News or the Republican Party.

[Seleucus]

Has this forum gone absolutely fucking mad?

No, this happens every now and then when some other forum collapses or expels members.

What's happening is the ideology of liberal leftism which has dominated for centuries is collapsing.

[Seleucus]

Islamic tenets

Something you know nothing about most likely?

Tell me briefly how you understand the relationship between tawhid and ahkam.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

You are unable to smell your own reeking stench, which to others is quite detectable I assure you.

Well, I guess if you consider things like actually being against censorship, against immigration, and arguing against the oppressive and abhorrent teachings of the islamic faith - part of the 'radical left' - then sure, I'm 'left', according to your extremely distorted definition. But it's much more likely that you're so dissociated from what's actually going on here in this thread, that you've interpreted my intentions for the exact opposite of what they really are. A pretty mind-boggling feat, and how you did that, I have absolutely no idea.

I'm not sure what the trending topics of discussion are today at

Oh, sure, just shamelessly do it again. While we're randomly passing around forum suggestions, here's one I suggest you check out, yourself
https://www.autismforums.com/find-new/5711340/posts

[Seleucus]

You are unable to smell your own reeking stench, which to others is quite detectable I assure you.

Well, I guess if you consider things like actually being against censorship, against immigration, and arguing against the oppressive and abhorrent teachings of the islamic faith - part of the 'radical left' - then sure, I'm 'left', according to your extremely distorted definition.

Like I said, you're a leftist. It's pretty obvious you're drawing you're ideas from the liberal and Enlightenment tradition.

And one other thing, as I just asked literally to the fellow directly above your reply,

teachings of the islamic faith

Something you know nothing about most likely?

Tell me briefly how you understand the relationship between tawhid and ahkam.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

Like I said, you're a leftist. It's pretty obvious you're drawing you're ideas from the liberal

...Because I hold these very non-liberal positions? In your opinion, you believe the 'rightist' should be for illegal immigration, for censorship, and completely okay with the morality of the islamic faith?

[Seleucus]

Like I said, you're a leftist. It's pretty obvious you're drawing you're ideas from the liberal

...Because I hold these very non-liberal positions? In your opinion, you believe the 'rightist' should be for illegal immigration, for censorship, and completely okay with the morality of the islamic faith?

Pretty much all the central contemporary figures in rightist philosophy are Muslim or converts to Islam: Rene Guenon, Titus Burckhardt, Martin Lings, Jean-Louis Michon, Hossein Nasr, or William Chittick. I also am a convert to Islam. Sometimes the reasons why we believe something, our intention, is actually more important than right opinion. So, as I said above, you don't get what rightism is, and since you didn't answer the question about probably the important concepts in Islam, tawhid and ahkam, it's a fair guess you don't know anything about Islam either. Nor does the other leftist fellow you were quarreling with about "Islamic tenets" and "teachings of the islamic [sic] faith". What would a rightist position on illegal immigration, censorship or Islam look like? It wouldn't draw on liberal moralizing as you two try to one-up each other with your shows of virtue, it would be inspired by rightist principals: consciousness of the ethnolinguistic heritage of the people and the ancient spiritual traditions... Maybe a rightist Westerner would say illegal immigration is a pollution of the spirit of the race, or destabilizes the established hierarchy, and maybe say that free speech is valuable because it is one of the ancient political traditions of Western peoples, and of Islam, maybe say it is accepted because it is one of the Caucasian spiritual traditions, or on the other hand reject it as the hideous Semitic and dogmatic opposite of Indo-European spiritual syncretism...