Muslims/Mexicans Are Taking Over

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

God ... does anyone feel the need to explain to this troll exactly how stupid this is?

Stop and think about how stupid a world ran by Muslims will be, then get back to me on that.

You see Trixie, the problem here is that you are lumping a diverse group of people - more than a billion of them I believe - into a monolithic entity for the express purpose of marking that entire broad category of persons as your inferiors. You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist, but you exhibit identical levels of broad and nasty prejudice, so you're only fooling yourself.

Islam muslims is not a race. Therefore banning muslims is not racist. I dont want their religion in this shitty country. This countries already shitty as is, dont want to infect it with more religious nonsense. Already stated I will accept Atheist arabs into this country.

[FlashDangerpants]

Stop and think about how stupid a world ran by Muslims will be, then get back to me on that.

You see Trixie, the problem here is that you are lumping a diverse group of people - more than a billion of them I believe - into a monolithic entity for the express purpose of marking that entire broad category of persons as your inferiors. You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist, but you exhibit identical levels of broad and nasty prejudice, so you're only fooling yourself.

Islam muslims is not a race. Therefore banning muslims is not racist. I dont want their religion in this shitty country. This countries already shitty as is, dont want to infect it with more religious nonsense. Already stated I will accept Atheist arabs into this country.

No need for me to write a new response I can paste the one I wrote in advance...
You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist, but you exhibit identical levels of broad and nasty prejudice, so you're only fooling yourself.

[Lacewing]

Islam muslims is not a race. Therefore banning muslims is not racist. I dont want their religion in this shitty country. This countries already shitty as is, dont want to infect it with more religious nonsense. Already stated I will accept Atheist arabs into this country.

Trixie... question for you. How can you say that you want love, and that you have empathy -- but you express so much hatred and intolerance? Where is your love and empathy for all that you direct your hatred towards? Are you bipolar / manic depressive? Such wide swings make it difficult to know what to take seriously about you.

I think Muslims and Mexicans and everyone else are sacred beings "doing their dance". Some dances are delusional and destructive -- which ANYONE is capable of -- anywhere on this Earth -- regardless of mindset/religion/philosophy. So why attack categories of people? Doesn't that seem lazy and ignorant? There has been so much persecution by Christians... and so much hateful distortion in Christian beliefs... so much cruelty and abuse by men against women and children... etc., etc.

Identifying "targets" to blame/exclude is really more about expressing/justifying ones own rage, than it is about solving anything.

[Seleucus]

-- but you express so much hatred and intolerance? Where is your love and empathy for all that you direct your hatred towards?

I think Muslims and Mexicans and everyone else are sacred beings "doing their dance".

-- last words as you are beheaded.

What does this expression, "paradox of tolerance" mean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist

She literally can't be, because she's not making any claims based on race, rather a system of beliefs. It's not that I endorse her position to blacklist muslim immigrants, but I think the people who try to equivocate 'Islamists' with 'arabic people' are effectively the ones practicing a principle of racism.

The low skilled are marginalised and pushed to the fringes of the economy where they work jobs that natives don't want to do, in many cases ones which simply will not get done without them. Picking fruit, cleaning toilets, and so on.

If that is true, the sort of paradox is that it's largely dependent on the fact that we do enforce our immigration laws. For people who just want to stay in the united states, they're forced to accept many of these low paying jobs. Of course their education also plays a role in this, but if we did soften the labor laws for illegal immigrants, suddenly it's no longer a factor they have to consider.

so do little to deflate wages.

What about the children of illegal immigrants?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Thanks for supporting me, you two. The voices of reason.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Islam muslims is not a race. Therefore banning muslims is not racist. I dont want their religion in this shitty country. This countries already shitty as is, dont want to infect it with more religious nonsense. Already stated I will accept Atheist arabs into this country.

Trixie... question for you. How can you say that you want love, and that you have empathy -- but you express so much hatred and intolerance? Where is your love and empathy for all that you direct your hatred towards? Are you bipolar / manic depressive? Such wide swings make it difficult to know what to take seriously about you.

I will love an Atheist arab. Islam is an ignorant, hateful Muslim belief system which is Archaic and anti-science anti-art and anti-math. People who gravitate to Islam have certain mental genetic tendencies which endanger me, and endanger Freedom as well.

[Lacewing]

-- but you express so much hatred and intolerance? Where is your love and empathy for all that you direct your hatred towards?

I think Muslims and Mexicans and everyone else are sacred beings "doing their dance".

-- last words as you are beheaded.

If that's the way my Earth dance is to go, fine. But you're the one giving power to that one type of energy, so it's probably more likely to be your reality. I've experienced more energies in play than that.
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I will love an Atheist arab. Islam is an ignorant, hateful Muslim belief system which is Archaic and anti-science anti-art and anti-math. People who gravitate to Islam have certain mental genetic tendencies which endanger me, and endanger Freedom as well.

There are a LOT of hateful belief systems and attitudes everywhere -- and "mental genetic tendencies which endanger" you and everyone, and Freedom as well. Christianity has parts of it that are "archaic, anti-science, anti-art, and anti-math". Your argument for targeting Islam seems like an excuse to hate... because there are plenty of others doing the same thing, even if most of them do it more discreet and subversive in this day and age.

You either have love and compassion for ALL, or you don't. And if you don't, then how can you be so angry and baffled by people who don't have love and compassion for you? Such love is actually a selective, discriminating, conditional, closed, short-sighted, shifting, and limited expression... which therefore doesn't seem very authentic, does it? Do you want to be the SAME AS THAT which has been so torturous to you? If you, yourself, cannot be broader than that, then that's what your experience will be about.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

-- but you express so much hatred and intolerance? Where is your love and empathy for all that you direct your hatred towards?

I think Muslims and Mexicans and everyone else are sacred beings "doing their dance".

-- last words as you are beheaded.

If that's the way my Earth dance is to go, fine. But you're the one giving power to that one type of energy, so it's probably more likely to be your reality. I've experienced more energies in play than that.
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I will love an Atheist arab. Islam is an ignorant, hateful Muslim belief system which is Archaic and anti-science anti-art and anti-math. People who gravitate to Islam have certain mental genetic tendencies which endanger me, and endanger Freedom as well.

There are a LOT of hateful belief systems and attitudes everywhere -- and mental genetic tendencies which endanger you and everyone, and Freedom as well. Christianity has parts of it that are archaic, anti-science, anti-art, and anti-math. Your argument for targeting Islam seems like an excuse to hate... because there are plenty of others doing the same thing, even if most of them do it more discreet and subversive in this day and age.

You either have love and compassion for ALL, or you don't. And if you don't, then how can you be so angry at people who don't have love and compassion for you? Such love is actually a selective, discriminating, conditional, closed, short-sighted, shifting, and limited expression... which therefore doesn't seem very authentic, does it? Do you want to be the SAME AS THAT which has been so torturous to you?

I have love for everyone. I love you, I love prisoners, I want to either improve prison conditions or send them home. Most people don't have any compassion for prisoners.

Far as muslims go, I dont want them around me, they are totalitarian and they are scheming against me they want to make me their slave. They are just waiting to invade this country and take over and make us their slaves. True love is freeing someone from mental slavery. Islam is a mentally enslaving religion of lies. And I dont wish for them to expand their religion, of lies.

Now Christianity is also stupid and lies, but I have to choose the lesser of two evils, I choose not to fight Christianity atm because it has already infected this country, and we dont need Two religions to infect this country, lets just keep it to one atm.

Im not Hitler, not saying Im hitler because if ruled the world I wouldnt start WW3. I wouldnt murder anyone if I ruled the world, just change their genetics to be beautiful and also not dumb. But Hitler was the same way, he faked being a Christian because the christains were just too powerful to stop. Actually he revealed he hated christians.

[Lacewing]

You're creating your world, Trixie. You're making up excuses and inconsistent claims and boundaries. Your world. Look to yourself as the creator of it.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

You're creating your world, Trixie. You're making up excuses and inconsistent claims and boundaries. Your world. Look to yourself as the creator of it.

That's what Im trying to do. I want to be ruler of the world.

[Lacewing]

You're creating your world, Trixie. You're making up excuses and inconsistent claims and boundaries. Your world. Look to yourself as the creator of it.

That's what Im trying to do. I want to be ruler of the world.

You ARE ruler of your world. How do you like it?

[FlashDangerpants]

You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist

She literally can't be, because she's not making any claims based on race, rather a system of beliefs. It's not that I endorse her position to blacklist muslim immigrants, but I think the people who try to equivocate 'Islamists' with 'arabic people' are effectively the ones practicing a principle of racism.

I very very clearly anticipated the objection that Islam is not a race and I took the trouble to point out up front that hatred of an entire billion strong religion nevertheless shares all the other features of actual racism and merely transfers the target to a religion rather than an ethnicity, while retaining every fault. So my point is that it is either equally valid or equally bad, which is not a claim that they are the same thing. There is no point quoting me while stripping the context of the surrounding paragraph to leave out the bit where I dealt with the objection, just to make the objection I anticipated and dealt with. Either deal with my counter properly, or don't raise the matter at all.

However, given that Trixie also wrote this in another tread...

My overlying thesis is that not all blacks are dumb, just subSaharans.

I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh. Unless we are to grant her another technical exemption because she only chooses to despise half of all black people? Maybe that doesn't meet the definition of racism either?

The low skilled are marginalised and pushed to the fringes of the economy where they work jobs that natives don't want to do, in many cases ones which simply will not get done without them. Picking fruit, cleaning toilets, and so on.

If that is true, the sort of paradox is that it's largely dependent on the fact that we do enforce our immigration laws. For people who just want to stay in the united states, they're forced to accept many of these low paying jobs. Of course their education also plays a role in this, but if we did soften the labor laws for illegal immigrants, suddenly it's no longer a factor they have to consider.

It is true. I'm not sure what you are actually referring to, but you appear to be summarising a complex process into an overly simple cause and effect loop with only one cause, which isn't likely to work for you.

Anyways, here's a report by the NBER about what happened after the US cut the Brassero program which brought in seasonal Mexican farm workers. Needless to say it shows that when the competition for work was removed, US farm workers did not get paid more. This shit is easy to find, google for yourself and you'll find the same thing over and over again with different cities and industries. The impact of immigrants on wages is either negligible or else a small down-tick for the lowest skilled least educated natives - but so small it may or may not make it past the statistical margin for error.

This is a field that has been massively studied, and there have been enough population migrations withing the last century that it would be fucking easy by now to see it in the statistics if immigrants actually had a depressing effect on wages.

so do little to deflate wages.

What about the children of illegal immigrants?

I see no viable relationship between the snippet you quote and the question it seems to provoke.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

You're creating your world, Trixie. You're making up excuses and inconsistent claims and boundaries. Your world. Look to yourself as the creator of it.

That's what Im trying to do. I want to be ruler of the world.

You ARE ruler of your world. How do you like it?

Not very much. Feels like I dont have power over others. Can't stop them being assholes.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

You probably really don't think of yourself as a racist

She literally can't be, because she's not making any claims based on race, rather a system of beliefs. It's not that I endorse her position to blacklist muslim immigrants, but I think the people who try to equivocate 'Islamists' with 'arabic people' are effectively the ones practicing a principle of racism.

I very very clearly anticipated the objection that Islam is not a race and I took the trouble to point out up front that hatred of an entire billion strong religion nevertheless shares all the other features of actual racism and merely transfers the target to a religion rather than an ethnicity, while retaining every fault. So my point is that it is either equally valid or equally bad, which is not a claim that they are the same thing. There is no point quoting me while stripping the context of the surrounding paragraph to leave out the bit where I dealt with the objection, just to make the objection I anticipated and dealt with. Either deal with my counter properly, or don't raise the matter at all.

However, given that Trixie also wrote this in another tread...

My overlying thesis is that not all blacks are dumb, just subSaharans.

I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh. Unless we are to grant her another technical exemption because she only chooses to despise half of all black people? Maybe that doesn't meet the definition of racism either?

You keep mixing up concepts from different threads.
The concept here is, Islam is not a race, its a personal lifestyle choice.
Sadly some people lack the genetic capacity for higher thought, and cling to religion like flies on butter. So maybe you are right after all, this has more to do with their genetics, than "choice" of lacking the desire for free and intelligent thought, free from mind-enslaving religions.

I would say that the question of whether she is an actual racist or not is sort of done and a waste of time tbh. Unless we are to grant her another technical exemption because she only chooses to despises half of all black people? Maybe that doesn't meet the definition of racism either?

They stone homosexuals to death, like a bunch of savages, and the ones they don't stone, they lock in shitty, bug infested prisons. How am I not supposed to despise them? Personally, I think gay sex is gross, but it saddens my heart when I see them stoning queers.

Anyways, here's a report by the NBER about what happened after the US cut the Brassero program which brought in seasonal Mexican farm workers. Needless to say it shows that when the competition for work was removed, US farm workers did not get paid more. This shit is easy to find, google for yourself and you'll find the same thing over and over again with different cities and industries. The impact of immigrants on wages is either negligible or else a small down-tick for the lowest skilled least educated natives - but so small it may or may not make it past the statistical margin for error.

I actually lost my job to a mexican before though.