Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm
ken wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:19 amThere will always be more and other human beings who come along who at one stage in their lives are being truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to change for the better. They are the ones who truly listen, and thus find, discover, and learn what reality is and the Truth. I can only reveal these things to those who are prepared to listen. From before birth ken was being prepared for this.
No one comes to life already prepared to know exactly how to act or be.
If you are trying to dispute what I said about how ken from birth was being prepared to be truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better so that ken would be able to listen to and thus find and discover what reality is and the Truth by them self, then I did NOT say ken
came to life that way. I said, ken was being prepared to be that way. That preparation took some decades AFTER before ken's birth [ken's coming to life]. Their is a huge difference that I hope you have noticed.
However, if that is not what you were disputing/talking about, then what you said here could be in contradiction to what you have said previously about life just being 'what it is'. If Life IS 'what it is', then, in that sense, every one comes to life already prepared to know exactly how to act and be. They could NOT be any different. If, however, how one changes to act or be can and is obviously influenced by what they experience along the way. So, every body comes to life already prepared, genetically, to 'KNOW' exactly how to act and be. For example every body KNOWS to breath and to cry [be heard] in order to obtain the nutrients that they need to keep acting and being. They ALL do this instinctively, from an instinctively KNOWING.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm Reality is going live right now, it is not a dress rehearsal.
What is happening right now IS NOT reality. It may be really happening but it is NOT reality. A discussion you might like to have with Me, so that the Truth can be revealed? Remembering that the Truth IS what 'we', all things, agree with.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm There is no preparing to act, there is just pure live acting as it comes, as it happens for the very first time.
The preparation WAS done, prior to the coming to life, by the ones that made that one come to life. The creating of the new one, which comes to life, IS the preparing. Within EVERY one there is a Thing already in there, creating Life, which is what IS actually driving the way that that one acts and bes. This Life is also the KNOWING. So, every one DOES come to life already prepared to KNOW exactly how to act or be, right?
Again, how this act/ing and be/ing changes throughout one's life, is another matter, related directly to the experiences along the way.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm No event is ever repeated exactly. Every event is spontaneous. We can only know about our own experience.What we personally know, what we've learnt. That is not the same as immediate KNOWING.
Immediate KNOWING is always NOW, ever fresh, ever new as each experience becomes known to us. We can't know an experience until it's already happened, when we become aware of it as known to have happened.
Why are you here telling us things like this? What is it that you want us to do with this knowledge? What is it that you want and/or are trying to achieve?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmIn terms of the ALL, nothing is known about that, the ALL is not an event.
Is that the absolute Truth?
Or is that your perspective?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmFrom the perspective of one person, their life is unfolding according to their particular assigned experience and world view that they are meant to have for their evolution, and where ever they are, they cannot be anywhere other than that place, only that place is right for them.
Yes true, and also very obvious.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm And while the perspective of one player is playing, no other perspective is happening.
But from ken's perspective, which is "playing", there are MANY other perspectives happening. There are in fact as many perspectives as there are one's "playing".
To Me, all these different perspectives are obviously happening, and that is one reason WHY I say the parts in ALL of those different perspectives which are the EXACT SAME IS
what IS true and right in Life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm So nothing can be known about other perspectives.
But lots of things can be KNOWN about other perspectives. But ONLY if and when they are SHARED.
Perspectives are played out one at a time from the one individual's perspective only, but from the collective point of view, ALL perspectives are playing out simultaneously.[/quote]
AND,
sharing, and then
discovering what it IS in agreement IS what helps in bringing about peace and harmony for ALL.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmA mistake is impossible to make. No one is making a mistake by not listening. There is no one doing or acting, there is only what's unavoidably happening in the immediate moment now.
Is this the absolute Truth?
Or is this dontaskme's perspective of things?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm People will listen only when they are ready to listen.
True.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmSome are born listeners,
I would suggest ALL are born listeners. That is HOW and WHY very young human being so quickly learn to understand and grasp a completely, never heard before, new language. But young human beings are unfortunately also taught, unconsciously, to NOT listen. This happens in two ways; children are taught NOT to listen to the inner One, which is always KNOWING what is right and true NOW, and in turn the children are told to and forced to listen to "worldly" or human made, and made up, things. Children are also NOT really listened to, by adults, so children in turn learn to do the same behavior and NOT really listen also. Children naturally copy and do what others do. No person has really LISTENED to the inner KNOWING One, and shared that KNOWING from that pure One's perspective ONLY. Many have tried, but like all of us we misinterpret and misconstrue
what IS being said with and by very our own unique and individual experiences and perspectives.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pm I was always listening to my inner voice, but sometimes I would not hear it simply because other voices would over power me, other voices were very good at distracting me away from my own.
ALL babies are born listening to that same One inner voice. But unfortunately the amazing ability of the human brain to grasp and learn new things that truly pure, innocent, One becomes NOT listened to. The reason why I say i learned far more from children about what is really important and meaningful about life and living was because of what they teach comes from the purest of Ones.
These other voices we sadly grow up listening to become "experts" at distraction, and are just part of the good/evil stories told. What is more sad adult human beings are they are the ones who are actually doing the talking and the enforcement of listening to them, but because if what they are saying is coming only from their own personal experiences and perspectives, then it is them who is doing ALL of the distracting. Individual different perspectives, being expressed as what is right, only causes conflict, disputes and differences. Whereas, collective same perspectives, being discussed, accepted and agreed upon, only causes peace, harmony and unity.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmAnd by paying too much attention to those other voices I would end up straying further and further away from my own inner voice.
Yes very true, and exactly what has happened to ALL human beings. Thus the reason WHY they are so far away from what they truly desire and want. And, also ever increasing further away at present times.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmIf people are not listening, it's because they are not evolved to listen yet. Nothing is going to alter that until life evolves someone to be ready to listen. No one can preempt listening skills until that person is ready, until it is their time to listen.
Yet when I said this is what happened and how ken was unknowingly being prepared, through experiences of which obviously as a child ken had no influence on and no one else could have experienced, and how all of those experiences taught ken, unconsciously, to become truly Wanting to change those abusive behaviors that ken was doing to children, become Honest and Open, and it was THIS that made ken able to truly LISTEN and SEE those answers that human beings are, themselves, looking for. By the way, and as you already have some idea, those right and true answers are held within and come from that inner pure KNOWING voice.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmIt happens when it is ready to happen and not before. We're all on our own unique journey through infinity, each and everyone of us has our own assignment and our own lessons to learn. But, only we are our own teachers, other teachers only remind us what we already know.
However, being able to decipher between that One pure inner voice and Teacher, Who is also able to teach and confirm through others, from those other deceiving voices and teachers, which come from individual perspectives can be a hard thing to do at first, especially considering most people do not even yet know that this exists. But once learned HOW to do this, and thus have the KNOW-HOW, then it becomes continually easier, simpler and quicker to do, until KNOWING just happens instantly. Sharing this KNOW-HOW with others is a lot harder, especially to those who believe this is NOT true or it is IMPOSSIBLE. But this, like all else, is just a learning curve.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 pmWe don't have this all cut and dried though. But this HAS US, and every experience is a unique experience of the ONE EXPERIENCER experiencing itself according to what it is supposed to be experiencing.
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And that is WHY what I say that 'what is' happening is perfect, in the sense, that it is necessary for what WILL BECOME to also happen.
For any and all new discoveries to become known and/or to come into fruition, from the wheel, to how the solar system actually does operate, to every conceivable contraption created up to the latest design in designer babies, all of these started from just one person listening to that inner voice of Creation and/or Knowing, and then just sharing that, at first seeming unknowable or impossible, idea with others. HOW a truly peaceful "world" for every one can be created is also just one of those ideas that can actually come to fruition, when people really start LISTENING. And, to be really able to LISTEN properly to the inner KNOWING Voice just takes getting rid of all of those beliefs and assumptions, which are being held now about how one
thinks the "world" works and operates. Of course some of what one thinks about this will be true, right, and accurate, but by just stop believing in it allows the real Truth is be heard and seen, thus understood.
Surely there's all sorts of convolution on all sorts of levels.
