The unsolvable mystery of Reality Itself

[Dontaskme]

Do you know anything about that place?

It is the HERE and NOW, which is the Universe, Everything and/or ALL-THERE-IS.

I think that's what Walker was attempting to have clarified.

No, that's what you believed. I already knew what Walker meant. You seemed to have missed the point.
Where is that PLACE?

I will wait for walker to speak for them self.

dontaskme has already provided enough evidence of how trying to speak for others can cause far more confusion then is necessary.

No, I wasn't confusing anything. I simply resonated with what Walker had asked and understood what was being asked, which you avoided answering because you didn't know how to. How can I be speaking for Walker when I already understood what was being asked? I simply pointed that out to you which you didn't like. You didn't answer Walker's direct question...instead you twisted it around to fit your own belief system that is unique to you from your own perspective of what you know and have experienced to be true.

Is dontaskme serious here?

How could any one answer a question relating to 'we' if the 'we' means some thing that the one who is going to answer the question has absolutely no idea of.

Yes, I am being serious. You know full well what the 'we' means...the 'me' is always the reference point, the empty centre from which one is looking. We all share that same 'we' 'me' or 'I' or what ever else you want to call no thing.

No one knows what no thing is, so of course 'we' are only going to use that centre point of reference ..the thing that is known .

The question, if you did NOT notice, was in relation to where are 'WE' going, and NOT where 'THIS' is going?

But THIS is what 'we' are.

Obviously dontaskme has forgotten or has not yet noticed. I am the Universe, God, Allah, Spiritual Enlightenment, the pure One, the true One, or whatever other label that wants to be used to describe the One that is ALL-KNOWING and ALL-POWERFUL. ken, is just a label given to one human being.

There is no dontaskme, or ken except as a dead concept held in dead memory. no one forgets anything, the forgetting belongs to no thing. No thing is known until it is remembered. Awareness which is who we are never has to remember anything because it never forgets.

But to answer your question, in short, how is the grand scheme of infinity KNOWN by one human being who has only been existing for just a relative drop compared to the ocean of infinite possibilities, well the answer is by being truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better, ken discovered and found a way to the One true Self, and on that path I revealed ALL meaningful answers to ken, which showed ken the big picture of Life, or what IS Reality Itself.

BS

[ken]

Do you know anything about that place?

It is the HERE and NOW, which is the Universe, Everything and/or ALL-THERE-IS.

I think that's what Walker was attempting to have clarified.

No, that's what you believed. I already knew what Walker meant. You seemed to have missed the point.

First of, dontaskme was the one who wrote what I obviously misquoted. Surely dontaskme could remember what they, them self, wrote here?

Secondly, unlike dontaskme I try not to assume any thing whatsoever, thus the reason for so many clarifying questions from Me. So, I will keep "missing the point" until the point is clarified to Me by the one who posed the point, and not by some one else.

Where is that PLACE?

If 'that PLACE' refers to the Universe, then It is EVERY where.

If, however, 'that PLACE' does not refer to the Universe, then I will wait for dontaskme to clarify.

I will wait for walker to speak for them self.

dontaskme has already provided enough evidence of how trying to speak for others can cause far more confusion then is necessary.

No, I wasn't confusing anything.

May be not to dontaskme, but I am sure there are others who will disagree with you there.

I simply resonated with what Walker had asked and understood what was being asked, which you avoided answering because you didn't know how to.

I DID answer. In fact I answered that question with two different answers for two definitions of the word 'we'. And, just like I stated if the word 'we' meant SOME THING ELSE, other than those two definitions, then I will await for walker's definition.

Surely you saw and read My TWO answers?

How can I be speaking for Walker when I already understood what was being asked?

I am NOT like you, who assumes that they KNOW exactly what others mean. I ask for clarification so that I KNOW for sure BEFORE I jump in and respond.

I simply pointed that out to you which you didn't like. You didn't answer Walker's direct question...instead you twisted it around to fit your own belief system that is unique to you from your own perspective of what you know and have experienced to be true.

This is exactly NOT what I did. The evidence is there written down for any one who wants to see.

Is dontaskme serious here?

How could any one answer a question relating to 'we' if the 'we' means some thing that the one who is going to answer the question has absolutely no idea of.

Yes, I am being serious. You know full well what the 'we' means...

Now dontaskme is trying to tell Me what I supposedly full well knew.

Please stop trying to transfer to what you know and do onto others. NOT every One is like you dontaskme.

Did dontaskme NOT see that I used the word 'we' to mean 'human beings' AND 'person or people' and I gave to answers to those definitions?

the 'me' is always the reference point, the empty centre from which one is looking.

If the 'me' is "always" supposedly the reference point, for 'we', then I have already answered that. To Me, 'me' is a 'person or people'.

We all share that same 'we' 'me' or 'I' or what ever else you want to call no thing.

The only thing I call 'no thing' IS 'nothing'. dontaskme is the only one that i know of that calls actual and real 'things,' 'no thing'.

No one knows what no thing is, so of course 'we' are only going to use that centre point of reference ..the thing that is known .

Again, dontaskme is writing it to much of a contradictory way for Me to instantly understand what dontaskme is actually saying here; "No one knows what no thing is, ..., the thing that is known? Can dontaskme in any way whatsoever make this easier to understand?

Aslo, some times dontaskme refers to the centre point of reference as not known or unknowable, and other times, like above, it is the thing that is known. So, in all reality I find it hard to keep up with the complete turn around in dontaskme's "logic".

I KNOW what 'no thing' IS, it is 'nothing'. Nothing being the opposite of everything, and, no thing being the opposite of some (or one) thing.

Further to this, the "centre point of reference" can be 'a person', 'people', 'human beings on a whole', or the pure One/God, et cetera. So, until which perspective 'we' is in relation to exactly and pointed out by the one who is writing/speaking, then I am NOT totally sure. Unlike dontaskme I do NOT want to assume I KNOW.

The question, if you did NOT notice, was in relation to where are 'WE' going, and NOT where 'THIS' is going?

But THIS is what 'we' are.

Okay, if 'THIS' is what 'we' are, then what is 'THIS'?

By the way, every thing written here can be described and written down in ways that are seen to be truly sound, valid arguments, formed from logical discussions. If that is what is wanted.

If 'THIS' is going to be the 'centre point of reference', then who or what reference point are 'we' going to be looking from. I will let dontaskme decide that as I do NOT want to be seen as having any "advantage" in this discussion.

Obviously dontaskme has forgotten or has not yet noticed. I am the Universe, God, Allah, Spiritual Enlightenment, the pure One, the true One, or whatever other label that wants to be used to describe the One that is ALL-KNOWING and ALL-POWERFUL. ken, is just a label given to one human being.

There is no dontaskme, or ken except as a dead concept held in dead memory.

If that is what a dead memory wants to see, then so be it.

no one forgets anything, the forgetting belongs to no thing.

I would write it as, from the thoughts taking place, at a moment, there is not a remembrance of some thing (whatever that may be).

To say, forgetting belongs to, or is the property of, no thing is to more or less some no thing owns some thing, which to Me does not sound logical at all. But to say within a set of thoughts that are happening now there is not a memory of some thing sounds far more logical. But dontaskme is obviously different than I.

No thing is known until it is remembered. Awareness which is who we are never has to remember anything because it never forgets.

To Me on first glance, this just sounds way to confusing to even bother with.

But to answer your question, in short, how is the grand scheme of infinity KNOWN by one human being who has only been existing for just a relative drop compared to the ocean of infinite possibilities, well the answer is by being truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better, ken discovered and found a way to the One true Self, and on that path I revealed ALL meaningful answers to ken, which showed ken the big picture of Life, or what IS Reality Itself.

BS

Okay, by that response, seems to Me that you already KNOW what IS real and true. And, therefore there is nothing whatsoever that needs clarifying to you.

There is nothing more that I could add then.

[Dontaskme]

There is nothing more that I could add then.

Oh don't worry about that, you'll think of something to add, you usually do, you will continue to repeat yourself to the death. It's what you do.



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[Dontaskme]

That might be what dontaskme does and how they operate. But that certainly is NOT what I do and how I operate.

You know what's really weird about your posts Ken.

We learn, and then we teach.

To learn is to listen. To teach is to speak. And, to learn, and then teach successfully, is to ALWAYS remain open and listening.

You say all this but don't follow that wisdom through. Your only desire it seems, is to listen to yourself, your own ideas about how you want the whole operation to operate.


All you ever seem to do is ask repeatedly for clarification. It's like you do this over and over again until you and only you are happy with the outcome, and once you are happy, once it's all going your way or the highway, compatible with your terms and conditions, will you give it a tick and a thumbs up.

I've hardly ever heard you resonating with any other person you have been in discussion with on this thread. Or on any other thread. You appear to always be in a defensive mode, and then you wonder why people respond in kind.

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If your reason for being here on this forum is to learn to better express yourself...then just be yourself, stop trying too hard to be something better.
Just be yourself, that's what I do.

Life takes care of itself, with or without your participation. You'll find that to be true on your death bed, when the whole world will carry on quite happily without your input.

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[Hobbes' Choice]

Ah.... I see. You are no thing, so I can ignore you. And since you can't recognise "me", "I" as a distinct entity then you ought to be ignoring me too.
Since you actually responded to my post, you must recognise its thing-ness, so you are in contradiction.

Go back to reading your early learning books, and leave the masters to their knowledge.


The contradiction has already been shown why it needs to exist in this thread.

If you knew this subject throughly you would see that any contradiction is an illusion.

Stick to what you know. But don't try to sway others from what they know, just because you don't understand it yet.
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You are an idiot.
That much we do know.

[Lacewing]

What I routinely speak of is finding a way to reach unity, from which a truly peaceful and harmonious "world" could be created so that no person has to live in an abusive environment again.

You are speaking of your perspective.

So, from the perspective of every person, and more importantly child, it matters.

Now you are claiming to speak from the perspective of everyone.

I had hoped I had made it totally clear by now that the ONLY WAY is the WAY that is accepted and agreed upon by EVERY one. Therefore, ALL perspectives are needed. Hopefully, you can comprehend this by now.

Hopefully you can distinguish that your perspective is not another's perspective. What you see as the ONLY WAY, is not what someone else sees as the ONLY WAY -- and this has been explained to you, even if you rejected it in favor of your own perspective.

ONLY with EVERY One's perspective can the true and right way, which leads to living in peace and harmony can be found and achieved.

Again, it appears to me that you are mixing perspectives. Many perspectives (including mine) do not believe that there is a "true and right way". So, you're not empowering your own perspective by pretending to incorporate every one's perspective. You're still making them line-up with your perspective. Do you see?

To who does it uniquely matter? The answer is EVERY one. WHY/HOW is it significant? Is because It will bring about a "world" in which ALL truly once wanted to live in. That is in peace and harmony together as One.

All your perspective.

Also, if I recall correctly was it you who was previously mentioning about you having peeked behind the curtain and seeing what was there, as though there was an "outside", a "beyond", or "another dimension"?

Yes, I have described a few experiences that way. Using the description of "looking behind a curtain" as a way of sharing an experience in ones daily life, is not a denial of one's "self", nor a denial of "all being one". One can celebrate and be aware of being both, a drop in the ocean and the ocean, right?

Knowing and Creating go together hand-in-hand.

Sounds nice... but I'm not sure that's true. Do you feel completely certain about it?

To Me, when you ask these types of questions you seem to have some sort of prejudiced view, as though you are thinking that I am writing from some ulterior motive, from some kind of 'better than' attitude, or from some thing else.

Honestly, I don't think you even realize some of the stuff you do... just as all human beings don't realize some of the stuff they do. I don't think you're malicious. I think you impose some things based on your perspective (and it involves other people), and I question that. And yes, I think ego slips in there at times, which is normal for any of us. So, that's reasonable (yes?) to challenge when you're speaking of the things you do.

Just curious... what do you think of this idea: Ego is what makes us intent on things. What we think this IS, who we think we ARE, and what we think SHOULD BE, makes us intent on things. Without ego, would there be the same need to be intent?

[ken]

There is nothing more that I could add then.

Oh don't worry about that, you'll think of something to add, you usually do, you will continue to repeat yourself to the death. It's what you do.



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Is asking new clarifying questions, repeating one's Self?

If it is, to dontaskme, then I have just so called "repeated" My Self once again.

[ken]

That might be what dontaskme does and how they operate. But that certainly is NOT what I do and how I operate.

You know what's really weird about your posts Ken.

We learn, and then we teach.

To learn is to listen. To teach is to speak. And, to learn, and then teach successfully, is to ALWAYS remain open and listening.

You say all this but don't follow that wisdom through.

Obviously, Me speaking could appear as though I am not listening. But the reason I ask so many clarifying questions to others is so that I can listen to what is said, or not said, which is sometimes the case. In both cases I am still learning.

For if one was to always remain silent, and just listening, then they could never teach. Even God is always speaking, but the thing is human beings are rarely listening, if ever. Human beings can still be speaking while still remaining OPEN and listening always, also. Like nearly ALL things human beings do, they just need to be learned how to do it.

Your only desire it seems, is to listen to yourself, your own ideas about how you want the whole operation to operate.

There is a fair bit of truth in that.

All you ever seem to do is ask repeatedly for clarification.

That is true, and a good observation. I hope that it is also observed and noticed that I ask from a completely OPEN perspective too. The answers people, themselves, give reveal what IS True.

It's like you do this over and over again until you and only you are happy with the outcome, and once you are happy, once it's all going your way or the highway, compatible with your terms and conditions, will you give it a tick and a thumbs up.

May be. We will have to wait and see. I still wait for clarifying.

Remember My "terms and conditions" are what IS agreed with, by EVERY one, anyway. So, there would not be any one unhappy. Is there some thing wrong with this?

I've hardly ever heard you resonating with any other person you have been in discussion with on this thread. Or on any other thread.

Is there meant to be a certain number of times this is meant to be done?

What I agree or resonate with or not does NOT matter anyway. Words speak for themselves. The Truth is held up within words, and do NOT need Me to point that out. People can see and recognize Truth by, and for, themselves, and what really matters anyway is what EVERY one agrees with. Not just what one says.

You appear to always be in a defensive mode, and then you wonder why people respond in kind.

JUST MAYBE I am not in defensive mode at all, and that could just be a projection of what some people themselves do and see in others. JUST MAYBE I ask clarifying questions only from a truly OPEN perspective just to gain a perspective of what it is that the other person knows and is saying. But this truly OPENNESS is very rarely noticed and seen because it is such an unfamiliar behavior in human beings. Also, it is far harder to see and notice OPENNESS on a writing forum, then it is face-to-face.

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If your reason for being here on this forum is to learn to better express yourself...then just be yourself, stop trying too hard to be something better.

'Better' than what exactly?

And, how does this trying to be better come across?

I just speak from Me, mostly, and sometimes I speak from me. Learning how to do this successfully and be fully understood will take some time. It is a fairly new idea and some thing I am only learning how to do. But I am sure this process could be sped up fairly rapidly if human beings stopped assuming, and stopped seeing themselves in Me.

Just be yourself, that's what I do.

Is dontaskme sure?

Would I be wasting My time asking dontaskme what is 'your-self' exactly?

From a truly objective viewpoint, try and imagine who is the One, or the one, that has a self, or a Self.

Discovering and finding out who one (person) thinks they are and who one (person) really IS, and then being able to continually look and see them from the truly objective perspective from the true One (God) is enlightening, but it is a process that takes some time to learn how to express better and more succinctly.

Life takes care of itself, with or without your participation.

Another reason I ask so many clarifying questions is because I wonder WHO dontaskme is speaking about, for example why they use the word 'your' here. Is 'you' in reference to the one human being labeled ken or the pure One, sometimes labeled God.

Even though the quote could be true for both beings, One being has ownership over, and full responsibility for, Life, Itself, while the other one being is just a tiny part of the whole of Life, how the little one participates in Life has more influence over others then is truly realized. And, how ALL human beings participate actually creates the 'life' that others eventually have to live in.

You'll find that to be true on your death bed, when the whole world will carry on quite happily without your input.

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Sure the "world" WILL carry out on without one's input, and most of the "world" might carry on happily. But those ones who are continually being abused, that is the children, will not necessarily be truly happy at all. And, if i can have some input in making 'life', itself, better for others before i see the "death bed", then i am pretty sure i would feel more better on the "death bed".

dontaskme's life might be to just live, and let what happens, happen. But i have learned some things that i would like to share, before i actually see the "death bed", knowing that it could only help, in children becoming more happy, and thus then all people also.

Also, dontaskme has a habit of looking at these writings as though they are coming from one person, and not from the one and only pure One. Human beings come and go, ken included, whereas, I always remain.

What is written and shared, through ken, may not mean much nor actually achieve any thing important at all really and ken might pass away before what is wanted to be shared is actually shared, and that does not matter one bit because I am always HERE, and I WILL create and achieve what it is that I want to create and achieve.

There will always be more and other human beings who come along who at one stage in their lives are being truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to change for the better. They are the ones who truly listen, and thus find, discover, and learn what reality is and the Truth. I can only reveal these things to those who are prepared to listen. From before birth ken was being prepared for this. NOT because ken was more different nor more special

[ken]

What I routinely speak of is finding a way to reach unity, from which a truly peaceful and harmonious "world" could be created so that no person has to live in an abusive environment again.

You are speaking of your perspective.

Obviously.

So, from the perspective of every person, and more importantly child, it matters.

Now you are claiming to speak from the perspective of everyone.

Obviously. I did after all use the words, 'from the perspective of every person'.

I had hoped I had made it totally clear by now that the ONLY WAY is the WAY that is accepted and agreed upon by EVERY one. Therefore, ALL perspectives are needed. Hopefully, you can comprehend this by now.

Hopefully you can distinguish that your perspective is not another's perspective.

Obviously.

What you see as the ONLY WAY, is not what someone else sees as the ONLY WAY --

Obviously. BUT, how many times do I have to reiterate with you that I have NEVER alluded to, let alone said, there is only ONE way?

And again I will reiterate and say, from My perspective you really have a hatred of this ONLY ONE WAY. To Me this hatred I perceive, which could be totally false and wrongI admit by the way, is what I also say is allowing you to see NOT what I am actually writing and saying. The hatred, which could again be wrong, is also stopping you from seeing what I am actually writing and saying. If it is not the hatred that is stopping you from seeing what I am actually writing and saying, then it is some thing else. And only when you provide us with what that actually is, then we can move past it.

The truth is that what is actually stopping you from seeing what I am actually writing and saying might actually be in My words. But until you enlighten us, we can not change that blockage and move on.

Anyway, what I have told you before and will again reiterate is that I only KNOW of one way, but that in of itself does NOT mean there is ONLY one way. Surely even you can see the difference by now. Again I will reiterate again, there can be as many ways as there are people. I have admitted that to you previously and have just again.

I am NOT sure how many times it will take for this to get through to you, but I will continue until it does. IF there is a way that EVERYONE agrees with, then that is ONE WAY. But, even then, that does NOT mean there is ONLY one way.

Have you even begin to recognize it is YOU who keeps adding the word 'only' in relation to there being 'one way' to find and discover things. Because I certainly do NOT do this, except in the only times that i have also used the words 'that i know of'. i have ONLY experienced one life so i have ONLY experienced one way to reach or obtain knowledge, therefore, i know of ONLY one way to reach and obtain such knowledge. But I do not at all dispute that there are as many different ways to reach and obtain knowledge as there are people. I will also reiterate that THE WAY that every person agrees with to reach and obtain the True and Right knowledge that will make life better for ALL people IS ONE way that is seen to be the BEST WAY.

Hopefully you will now STOP projecting that I see there is ONLY one way. I DO NOT SEE ONLY ONE WAY, OKAY?

I can ONLY share the one and ONLY way I see and know of.

Hopefully that is the end of that. But of course if you continue to see any thing wrong, false, and/or incorrect in what I write, then feel free to point that out, and we can look at and discuss that. I am the first One who wants to be made aware of it.

But please STOP saying that what I see is the ONLY WAY, as this is obviously NOT true at all.

and this has been explained to you, even if you rejected it in favor of your own perspective.

Could it be possible that you are perceiving some thing that is NOT actually there?

I have NEVER rejected what you say in favor of my own perspective. You just think that is the case. What I have rejected, however, is your assumption that I am saying that there is ONLY one way. That surely is not hard to understand.

The ONLY thing you have explained is what you perceive to be true. You have not actually highlighted or point out WHERE EXACTLY that I have said or seeing what it is that you allege that I am doing. Until you do that, then just may be it might be time to look what is in that actual thinking that is allowing you to see some thing that has NOT been shown to actually be here.

ONLY with EVERY One's perspective can the true and right way, which leads to living in peace and harmony can be found and achieved.

Again, it appears to me that you are mixing perspectives. Many perspectives (including mine) do not believe that there is a "true and right way".

I forget now how many times I have said rid One's self of beliefs, then you can become OPEN to see what the actual truth is. If a human being believes, or does not believe, (in) some thing, then they are NOT open to the truth and will only see what it is that they want to see. Obviously, if a belief is being held, then that will affect what is seen. The bias/belief, itself, distorts what is actually true.

You may believe that there is not a "true and right way", so be it. You can believe whatever you like. But just be forewarned, whatever you believe does NOT help you to find, discover and see the Truth. Evidence of this can be seen in that I have NEVER said that there IS a 'true and right way'. I have only ever said that IF EVERY one is in agreement on one way being a true and right way, then that IS a 'true and right way'. This is obviously the case because there would be NO one saying that is it not a 'true and right way'. If EVERY one is in agreement, then there is obviously NO one disagreeing. Also, for ANY way to be found, or for any new knowledge or truth to be found for that matter, successfully this is quite simply and easily done by being fully and completely OPEN, instead of believing what the truth IS already. Even IF every human being, besides you, found the exact same way and every one of them agreed on that being a 'true and right way' but you still did NOT believe that there is a 'true and right way', then there is absolutely NOTHING any one could do to show and prove you otherwise. The power of belief, in this way, is just to strong to overcome.

So, you're not empowering your own perspective by pretending to incorporate every one's perspective. You're still making them line-up with your perspective. Do you see?

BUT that is exactly NOT what I am doing. My ONLY perspective HERE IS what EVERY one agrees with anyway. ONLY when that EVERY one is in agreement, then My perspective is made AND seen. Do you see AND comprehend this?

By the way, WHY DO YOU NOT just point out, by quoting, the actual words that I wrote that shows what you say and allege that I am doing.

Just as useful would be to say exactly what you say 'My perspective' IS, and, show HOW I am supposedly making others "line-up" with that supposed perspective. THEN, we could actually look at and discuss what you say I am doing. Until then it is just your hearsay. Where is the actual evidence of what you say I am doing?

To who does it uniquely matter? The answer is EVERY one. WHY/HOW is it significant? Is because It will bring about a "world" in which ALL truly once wanted to live in. That is in peace and harmony together as One.

All your perspective.

Obviously it is. I am the ONLY One, for now anyway, giving a perspective.

But if NOT ALL once wanted to live in peace and harmony with everyone, then let them come forward now and present themselves. Or, maybe you can you show Me one human being who did NOT once want to live in peace and harmony with everyone?

If, and when, you do this, and it is shown to be true, then I will OPENLY admit that NOT ALL truly once wanted to live in peace and harmony with everyone.

Is this what you are trying to get at when you write, "All your perspective"?

What is it exactly that you are wanting to show Me or others here?

Also, if I recall correctly was it you who was previously mentioning about you having peeked behind the curtain and seeing what was there, as though there was an "outside", a "beyond", or "another dimension"?

Yes, I have described a few experiences that way. Using the description of "looking behind a curtain" as a way of sharing an experience in ones daily life, is not a denial of one's "self", nor a denial of "all being one". One can celebrate and be aware of being both, a drop in the ocean and the ocean, right?

Yes, very true, from My perspective, ALSO.

Knowing and Creating go together hand-in-hand.

Sounds nice... but I'm not sure that's true. Do you feel completely certain about it?

Of course they do NOT have to necessarily go hand-in-hand together. One can know things and NOT create some thing. But to be able to create some thing, then I would say there has to be some kind of knowing of how to create it to be able to actually do it.

To Me, when you ask these types of questions you seem to have some sort of prejudiced view, as though you are thinking that I am writing from some ulterior motive, from some kind of 'better than' attitude, or from some thing else.

Honestly, I don't think you even realize some of the stuff you do...

But I DO realize. I seek out and want to be challenged and questioned as thoroughly and as hard as can be. I KNOW that this will make Me better at expressing and explaining. And, that is WHY I sometimes write from a very confronting perspective, hoping that that will invite some serious challenging.

just as all human beings don't realize some of the stuff they do.

Hopefully it is realized that I am NOT writing from a human being perspective most of the time.

I don't think you're malicious. I think you impose some things based on your perspective (and it involves other people), and I question that.

My perspective, the pure One's perspective, IS not just from ALL people but from ALL things, so obviously My perspective involves ALL people.

I have NEVER enforced nor imposed My perspective onto any one, nor will I. I have just expressed My perspective and if any one disagrees with it, then just highlight the part they disagree with, then we can ALL look at it for what it truly IS.

And yes, I think ego slips in there at times, which is normal for any of us.

If you knew ken in person, there is NO ego at all. The ONLY ego that is "slipping in" here is the One that is worthy of and deserving of Self-centred IS the One that wants to and does for ALL things. That is WHO I really and truly AM anyway.

So, that's reasonable (yes?) to challenge when you're speaking of the things you do.

I, in fact, thrive on being challenged. But being challenged on what I actually say and do, and NOT on what people think I am saying and doing. That is WHY the actual words I say, which are being challenged and put into question, need to be shown. So, that we can ALL look at them, and discuss, together.

Just curious... what do you think of this idea: Ego is what makes us intent on things.

Although I always remain OPEN, and thus do not like to assume any thing, so I seriously want to ask for clarification about your use of the word 'intent' here before I reply to your idea/questions, but I will disregard this, seemingly ridiculous, intent I have to clarify things, just for now anyway.

I KNOW there is an inner 'thing', Intent, Knowing, God, Spirit, or whatever other labels are used to describe an Ego within ALL human beings and things, that is in actual control of Everything.

What we think this IS, who we think we ARE, and what we think SHOULD BE, makes us intent on things.

Just the inner drive, in ALL living things, to keep living and surviving, IS that Ego, 'intent' on driving us ALL. It KNOWS what IS, who we think we ARE and who we really ARE, and It also KNOWS what SHOULD BE also. In fact, this Ego, IS so full of Life and Energy that It is intent on making ALL things keep reproducing until an intelligent enough species evolves into existence so the Ego, Itself, can become truly KNOWN for what It truly Is.

Without ego, would there be the same need to be intent?

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Quite simply, No.

Take human beings for example, they can be so lazy and see life as being just to hard and to complex at times to comprehend, that if it was not for THIS Ego, inner-need or Intent to keep on living, and to keep passing on the genes in order to keep procreating for the species to stay alive as long as it can, in order to allow evolution to do Its thing, then how many human beings would actually be left nowadays? Most would just give up and kill themselves at the first sign of any trouble or hardship. This Ego, or need to be Intent, in ALL living things is what keeps them to want (or intent) to keep living. In human beings this need to be intent Ego can and is transferred into other things, like to be creative and to create - to be the Creator.

By the way I much prefer to have discussions about things like this, and discuss in this way, then, seemingly always, trying to prove that I am NOT doing what it is assumed that I am doing.

[Dontaskme]

You are an idiot.
That much we do know.

Calling the mirror names only rebounds back atcha as an echo of your own idiocy, since mirrors don't do anything but reflect on themselves.

[Dontaskme]

But if NOT ALL once wanted to live in peace and harmony with everyone, then let them come forward now and present themselves. Or, maybe you can you show Me one human being who did NOT once want to live in peace and harmony with everyone?

And how is this ideology supposed to work Ken?

Can we really live in peace and harmony with lions, tigers and bears? .... people are just like those wild animals, people are wild animals if you look closely enough at some of their behaviour traits.

So, explain how this idea that we could all live in peace and harmony would ever work? Can a lamb ever lie down with a lion?

As unconditional LOVE, the only force operating in the universe, yes, we can all LOVE each other by recognising that the love that is expressed as and through the human form...is subject to conditioning's, sometimes it's hateful, and revengeful, and sometimes it's compassionate and loving, and that's just unavoidably what it is... but can the ''what it is'' ever be any different? The only thing we can do in my book is to recognise that there is no 'thing' causing the ''what it is'' to be 'what it is'...it's just 'what it is'.
It's that way because there is an all allowingness in force operating that WAY, otherwise 'what it is' would be 'what it isn't'
And I don't know if you've ever noticed Ken... ''What is isn't'' NEVER HAPPENS...does it?


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[jttcom]

And how is this ideology supposed to work Ken?

Can we really live in peace and harmony with lions, tigers and bears? .... people are just like those wild animals, people are wild animals if you look closely enough at some of their behaviour traits.

So, explain how this idea that we could all live in peace and harmony would ever work? Can a lamb ever lie down with a lion?

This is an interesting one but it seems quite clear....? Leaving aside animals other than human beings - human beings are not born desiring conflict with other human beings. This happens when we are programmed with desires that the resources we have cannot satisfy for everyone.

If all humans dropped their attachments to those desires (including the desire to carry on living) then all humans would be happy.

You seem to be suggesting that there are some humans who, even if they dropped their attachments, would still have an instinctive nature to harm others?

[Dontaskme]

There will always be more and other human beings who come along who at one stage in their lives are being truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to change for the better. They are the ones who truly listen, and thus find, discover, and learn what reality is and the Truth. I can only reveal these things to those who are prepared to listen. From before birth ken was being prepared for this.

No one comes to life already prepared to know exactly how to act or be. Reality is going live right now, it is not a dress rehearsal. There is no preparing to act, there is just pure live acting as it comes, as it happens for the very first time. No event is ever repeated exactly. Every event is spontaneous. We can only know about our own experience.What we personally know, what we've learnt. That is not the same as immediate KNOWING.

Immediate KNOWING is always NOW, ever fresh, ever new as each experience becomes known to us. We can't know an experience until it's already happened, when we become aware of it as known to have happened.

In terms of the ALL, nothing is known about that, the ALL is not an event.

From the perspective of one person, their life is unfolding according to their particular assigned experience and world view that they are meant to have for their evolution, and where ever they are, they cannot be anywhere other than that place, only that place is right for them.

And while the perspective of one player is playing, no other perspective is happening. So nothing can be known about other perspectives. Perspectives are played out one at a time from the one individual's perspective only, but from the collective point of view, ALL perspectives are playing out simultaneously.

A mistake is impossible to make. No one is making a mistake by not listening. There is no one doing or acting, there is only what's unavoidably happening in the immediate moment now.

People will listen only when they are ready to listen. Some are born listeners, I was always listening to my inner voice, but sometimes I would not hear it simply because other voices would over power me, other voices were very good at distracting me away from my own.And by paying too much attention to those other voices I would end up straying further and further away from my own inner voice.

If people are not listening, it's because they are not evolved to listen yet. Nothing is going to alter that until life evolves someone to be ready to listen. No one can preempt listening skills until that person is ready, until it is their time to listen.

It happens when it is ready to happen and not before. We're all on our own unique journey through infinity, each and everyone of us has our own assignment and our own lessons to learn. But, only we are our own teachers, other teachers only remind us what we already know. We don't have this all cut and dried though. But this HAS US, and every experience is a unique experience of the ONE EXPERIENCER experiencing itself according to what it is supposed to be experiencing.



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[Dontaskme]

And how is this ideology supposed to work Ken?

Can we really live in peace and harmony with lions, tigers and bears? .... people are just like those wild animals, people are wild animals if you look closely enough at some of their behaviour traits.

So, explain how this idea that we could all live in peace and harmony would ever work? Can a lamb ever lie down with a lion?

This is an interesting one but it seems quite clear....? Leaving aside animals other than human beings - human beings are not born desiring conflict with other human beings. This happens when we are programmed with desires that the resources we have cannot satisfy for everyone.

If all humans dropped their attachments to those desires (including the desire to carry on living) then all humans would be happy.

I totally agree. I get that.

You seem to be suggesting that there are some humans who, even if they dropped their attachments, would still have an instinctive nature to harm others?

I'm not getting this though, where or how have I suggested that ?

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[jttcom]

You seem to be suggesting that there are some humans who, even if they dropped their attachments, would still have an instinctive nature to harm others?

I'm not getting this though, where or how have I suggested that ?

Here?

Can we really live in peace and harmony with lions, tigers and bears? .... people are just like those wild animals, people are wild animals if you look closely enough at some of their behaviour traits.