The unsolvable mystery of Reality Itself

[surreptitious57]

although knowledge is limited imagination isnt and its more important than knowledge

I would say that both knowledge and imagination are limited but knowledge is the more limited of the two by far. Were imagination
unlimited then knowledge would become known more quickly but it could still be limited for knowing and thinking are not the same

[Dontaskme]

although knowledge is limited imagination isnt and its more important than knowledge

I would say that both knowledge and imagination are limited but knowledge is the more limited of the two by far. Were imagination
unlimited then knowledge would become known more quickly but it could still be limited for knowing and thinking are not the same

I agree.

Imagination is the canvas upon which we paint our dreams.

[Dontaskme]

Most people here said that some things, including reality, is a mystery that can not be solved. I, on the other hand, said that ALL meaningful questions can be answered, thus all the supposed mysteries can be solved, and by the way already have been.

Here's three:

Where Do We Come From?
What Are We?
Where Are We Going?

Answers?

This is where we come from, what we are, and where we are going....



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[surreptitious57]

We are consciousness coming from the past and going in to the future but we cannot experience
them since all we do experience is now which is in a constant state of evolution that never ends

[ken]

Again I will remind dontaskme that if dontaskme talked from dontaskme's perspective only, then I would be able to obtain clarification about what it is that dontaskme is talking about. But when dontaskme starts talking from the mouths of others, then it is near impossible to gain clarification from dontaskme.

Advaita talk is our talk. It's everyones talk.

Advaita (who/what ever that is) talk IS advaita's talk. My talk IS My talk, and dontaskme's talk IS dontaskme's talk. Sure there will be things in each of our talks that resonates, and some which is in total and absolute agreement with one another. But we can only explain and expand on our own talk because this is the only one that we have had first-hand experience of.

I was walking this talk from the age of 7...no one taught it to me, I hadn't read it in a book at that age, I already knew it.

I totally understand this, but although it was not taught to in the traditional sense, it was discovered because of your previous experiences, and it was those previous experiences that led up to and allowed that talk to come to you. Your previous experiences allowed you to hear and listen to that talk. If you had different previous experiences you would have not heard that talk, dismissed that talk, and/or disregarded that talk, this all depends on what experiences you had had previously of course. 'That talk' coming from the 'bigger', or the 'true', Self, which is with-in dontaskme, or what dontaskme is a part of, IS the for-ever and ever-present KNOWING, so that is why to dontaskme that talk seemed like you already knew it. That 'talk', Truth, KNOWING, or what IS right and wrong knowledge, which exists always the same, IS already known deep with-in. It just IS unconsciously known, that is obviously until it is consciously known. Once it becomes consciously known, and shared, then what can and will be created with the power of that knowledge will be seen and experienced.

Being able to discover the true Self by One's self, without ever having to follow another, then allows that one, the you, to be better able explain what you have discovered and come to consciously KNOW.

When I did read it in a book later on in life, I kind of like recognised myself in it...and said oh look, someone else thinks my thoughts as well...whoopi dooo!!

I can totally understand that, but we all can recognize our selves in others at certain points. But because dontaskme had that experience from the age of 7 dontaskme could build on that, them self.

It does not matter what race, culture, political persuasion, doctrine, nor religion one recognizes them self in and with, following what others say and/or do leads One's self away from their own true Self. With-in each person there is a KNOWING already of what is right and wrong, which can be found, only if and when we are always real and true to our (real and true) Self.

What is dontaskme trying to say or explain here? And WHY are you trying to say and/or explain that?

Because you always ask for clarification on some of my ideas, and also some clarification to yours. And that's all I'm doing, is obeying orders.

I do NOT ask for clarification of My ideas. Although dontaskme some times thinks this is what is happening.

Asking for clarification is NOT an order. Asking for some thing is just that. 'Asking' is NOT an order nor demand. What is being asked for does not have to be given, and from My perspective it is certainly not expected also.

[ken]

If the Self is so self-evident to dontaskme, then what is the Self exactly?

You've already asked me this millions of times which I've clarified millions of times in response.

I'm not saying it all over again.

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Okay if it is to much effort for dontaskme to supposedly say "all over again", then that is fine.

I will just use memory, which obviously may be inaccurate, and what I recall is dontaskme does NOT know.

[ken]

How can the knower be known, but also, the knower can not be known? How can those two seemingly very different and contradicting propositions both be true?

Do you understand the law of opposites?

No. I only understand what I explained before about opposites.

If you did you wouldn't be asking me. Why are you asking me now, I thought you said this is all no mystery?

The answers to all of the meaningful, supposedly mystery, questions is no more of a mystery, to Me. I NEVER said all of what you say is no mystery.

Like how, to dontaskme, the knower can be known but also can not be known is a mystery, to Me, and it will remain a mystery. That is, obviously, until dontaskme shares the knowledge of how both statements can be true, with Me.

I KNOW the answers to the meaningful questions people seek. I do not necessarily KNOW all the things people themselves know. Until, of course, they are open and honest with Me.

where are your answers NOW?

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Where are My answers to what questions exactly?

[Dontaskme]

Asking for clarification is NOT an order. Asking for some thing is just that. 'Asking' is NOT an order nor demand. What is being asked for does not have to be given, and from My perspective it is certainly not expected also.

Yes it is an order. Asking for clarification is a desire to revive what you already know to remove any conflicting confusion about what's being discussed..you are wanting something clarified, when we want something we usually order it.

It's a demand to know AGAIN what you already know ..
VIA KNOWLEDGE ON DEMAND.

When one asks for a clarification one is desiring to be open to receive what the other one is giving. Giving to others is receiving that giving in the exact same openness. This is known as knowledge on demand. All knowledge is drawn from dead memory, there is no knowing of anything in the immediate live moment.

We only ask questions because we believe we lack something.If we already knew the answers there would be no more questions asked. We don't need to clarify what we are. We don't need anything. We don't need other peoples opinions on who we are, we already know who we are, we only use other people because we believe we lack something, and that they have that something that we believe we lack so want. None of this is true. That is the sickness of the human mind at this particular time in our evolution. Because we love master debating with ourselves.

You can all enter the beautiful world of eternal presence anytime you like, but you have to leave the little monkey mind outside, else you miss the natural splendor and beauty that is your real true self.

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Bye the way, if any one was wondering, I'm not shouting, I just felt like going large today.

[ken]

how many other members of the forum part from ken and Dontaskme will actually bother reading what they have written

[If] people want to engage then they will If they do not then does it really matter

It might matter to someone who wants all human beings to be completely open and free and live in perfect harmony with
each other for as long as human beings carry on existing but if no one of that mindset exists then it does not matter at all

Does such a person exist?

If they did, then 'it' would not really matter at all anyway. What is written here does not really matter regarding what you are talking about. Also, if they existed, it might, by itself, also NOT matter.

Further to this if that person exists, then I would say that would probably want to engage. And, if they did not want to engage, then that by itself shows that it does not really matter to them.

[Dontaskme]

We are consciousness coming from the past and going in to the future but we cannot experience
them since all we do experience is now which is in a constant state of evolution that never ends

Yes, that seems to be what's happening...

Alhough, I would add,.....nor starts at the end of your never ends.

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[ken]

Asking for clarification is NOT an order. Asking for some thing is just that. 'Asking' is NOT an order nor demand. What is being asked for does not have to be given, and from My perspective it is certainly not expected also.

Yes it is an order. Asking for clarification is a desire to revive what you already know to remove any conflicting confusion about what's being discussed..you are wanting something clarified, when we want something we usually order it.

Because some people might usually order some thing when they want it, I do not see as necessarily translating to wanting some thing clarified as being ordered also.

When dontaskme asks for clarification, for the reason given above, they might then order it. But that does NOT mean I order it. When I ask for clarification I do NOT expect any thing, and I certainly do NOT order it.

Also, when I asked dontaskme to clarify how A knower can know itself but also can not know itself, I certainly did NOT desire to revive what I already knew. I have never known what dontasme's view on this is. I KNOW a knower can at first not know itself but then after it knows itself, then that knowing remains. Unless of course some things happen like brain injury, dementia, et cetera.

It's a demand to know AGAIN what you already know ..
VIA KNOWLEDGE ON DEMAND.

But what 'I' KNOW IS different from what 'you' know. So, I am NOT asking to be reminded of what I already KNOW. I ask to find out what it is that the other knows.

To Me, when I ask a clarifying question I ask from a truly open perspective, to become wiser. I ask clarifying questions to gain a better perspective of where the other is coming from. I also ask clarifying questions to show what IS the truth.

When one asks for a clarification one is desiring to be open to receive what the other one is giving. Giving to others is receiving that giving in the exact same openness. This is known as knowledge on demand.

If that is what dontaskme knows, then fair enough.

All knowledge is drawn from dead memory, there is no knowing of anything in the immediate live moment.

Is dontaskme able to expand on this or does dontaskme have any examples or evidence of this?

We only ask questions because we believe we lack something.

Is that what dontaskme does?

If we already knew the answers there would be no more questions asked.

Knowing answers to some questions, like meaningful questions, does not mean knowing what another is exactly meaning when they say some thing. Finding out these type of answers, also does not mean there could be countless more questions asked to any amount of other people in regards to what they actual mean when they say some thing.

We don't need to clarify what we are.

"We" might not need to, but "we" might want to if "we" are not sure of what "we" are.

We don't need anything.

If 'we', means human beings, and they want to keep existing and experiencing, then they need at least four things that I know of.

We don't need other peoples opinions on who we are,

True.

we already know who we are,

Some do NOT.

Can dontaskme say 'who we are' in simple, easy to understand terms.

we only use other people because we believe we lack something,

Is that what dontaskme does? If so, what does dontaskme believe they lack?

I use people to learn, and become wiser, from. I also use people to create what I want for My children.

and that they have that something that we believe we lack so want.

I do NOT believe I lack some thing. i just lack what i do.

None of this is true. That is the sickness of the human mind at this particular time in our evolution.

I thought dontaskme said that they would not use the 'mind' word any more.

Because we love master debating with ourselves.

I do not like to debate at all. I prefer to just look for and see what IS instead, and have a discussion about that. Truth is found peacefully that way. Picking a side and fighting for it, as in debating, rarely causes truth to be found, and what it mostly causes is disputes, conflicts, and resentment.

You can all enter the beautiful world of eternal presence anytime you like, but you have to leave the little monkey mind outside, else you miss the natural splendor and beauty that is your real true self.

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That might be true. But we will never know if you do not explain what the "little monkey mind" actually IS, and, how we can leave "it" outside. Whatever that means.

Bye the way, if any one was wondering, I'm not shouting, I just felt like going large today.

Okay, why did you feel like doing that? Did doing it make you feel any better?

By the way, the size of the letters just came out automatically that size and I did not change them because I could not be bothered.

[Dontaskme]

Where Do We Come From?
If you are looking from human beings only, then 'we' came "from" the same place that every thing else came "from". But first "from" is NOT the right word to use because 'from' implies coming from some thing else. Whereas the truth is every thing comes 'through'. 'We', human beings, came through evolution. EVERY thing is coming through a continual process of evolution. There was no start, so 'we', human beings, are always coming.

Do you know anything about that place?
I think that's what Walker was attempting to have clarified.

What Are We?
Again, if by 'we' you mean 'human beings', then 'human beings' are made up of two things; a visible part, and an invisible part. There is the physical human body that can be seen with the eyes, this is the 'human' part of 'human being', and, there is the invisible thoughts and internal feelings (or emotions) that can not be seen with the eyes, this is the 'being' part of 'human being'.

If, however, by 'we' you mean 'person' or 'people', then 'a person' is just the unique and individual set of thoughts, and emotions, with-in a human body, and, 'people' is the thoughts, and emotions, with-in a certain number of human bodies. But, if by 'we' you mean some thing else, then you will have to clarify first.

Here, you have attempted to conceptually describe the ''personal awareness''

Any one can conjure up that story.

But, if by 'we' you mean some thing else, then you will have to clarify first.

No Ken, Walker asked you to clarify ''WHAT ARE WE''... not have you throw it back because you can't answer it.

Where Are We Going?
If by 'we' you mean 'human beings', then we are not really going any where because there is only HERE. This Universe is ALL-THERE-IS. 'We', human beings, continue to evolve and so will evolve into some thing. What that thing is actually, is depended solely upon if human beings want to become truly open and intelligent beings, and thus be able to recognize and see what IS true and right, or if they want to remain like how they are now, that is to remain assuming and believing beings.

How does Ken who has never been alive before know that THIS IS ALL THERE IS?

Yes, this is all there is to Ken who has never been alive before, but Ken has no idea where this is going because that's a mystery to Ken.

Ken who has never been alive before, yet appears to know the ultimate answer to life, which according to Ken, this is all there is.

Wow Ken, how is the journey through infinity BECOME known to someone who's life is just a drop in the ocean of infinite possibility where Kens life is but a short finite appearance within the grand scheme of things?

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[Dontaskme]

"We" might not need to, but "we" might want to if "we" are not sure of what "we" are.

We will never be sure of what we are because everything that is familiar to us, or what we know about ourselves keeps on changing. We only know what keeps changing in relation to what doesn't change, but we tend not to look at the changeless aspect of our self because we are only interested in the knowledge of what is known.

There is no sure certainty about anything in any given moment, and that is why we have to keep reverting to knowledge we do know which is always on demand stored in memory, otherwise we wouldn't know what or how to do anything. We only know how to be in the moment because we are remembering what has passed, what we've already learnt. All knowing, knowledge is stored in dead memory, revived to make it appear like a live living movie happening here and now. We are in essence a walking talking living dead phenomena. A real fictional character.



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[ken]

Where Do We Come From?
If you are looking from human beings only, then 'we' came "from" the same place that every thing else came "from". But first "from" is NOT the right word to use because 'from' implies coming from some thing else. Whereas the truth is every thing comes 'through'. 'We', human beings, came through evolution. EVERY thing is coming through a continual process of evolution. There was no start, so 'we', human beings, are always coming.

Do you know anything about that place?

It is the HERE and NOW, which is the Universe, Everything and/or ALL-THERE-IS.

I think that's what Walker was attempting to have clarified.[/quote]

I will wait for walker to speak for them self.

dontaskme has already provided enough evidence of how trying to speak for others can cause far more confusion then is necessary.

What Are We?
Again, if by 'we' you mean 'human beings', then 'human beings' are made up of two things; a visible part, and an invisible part. There is the physical human body that can be seen with the eyes, this is the 'human' part of 'human being', and, there is the invisible thoughts and internal feelings (or emotions) that can not be seen with the eyes, this is the 'being' part of 'human being'.

If, however, by 'we' you mean 'person' or 'people', then 'a person' is just the unique and individual set of thoughts, and emotions, with-in a human body, and, 'people' is the thoughts, and emotions, with-in a certain number of human bodies. But, if by 'we' you mean some thing else, then you will have to clarify first.

Here, you have attempted to conceptually describe the ''personal awareness''

Any one can conjure up that story.

And guess what, one already has, and DID.

But, if by 'we' you mean some thing else, then you will have to clarify first.

No Ken, Walker asked you to clarify ''WHAT ARE WE''... not have you throw it back because you can't answer it.

Is dontaskme serious here?

How could any one answer a question relating to 'we' if the 'we' means some thing that the one who is going to answer the question has absolutely no idea of.

I have, if you have not already noticed, provided two different answers to different definitions of the word 'we'. I have asked walker to clarify what they mean by 'we', and while I await that response, I answered by providing some early definitions of the word 'we' first. Surely dontaskme does not expect Me to provide yet an answer to yet another, completely unknown, definition of 'we'? If dontaskme does expect this, then dontaskme will provide the definition of 'we' in the first instance, so then I can answer that question. But let us remember, dontaskme's definition of 'we' might be different than what walker meant.

Did dontaskme understand the way I wrote what I did? If not, then just say so. So then I can attempt at clarifying it up and/or making it clearer for dontaskme.

Where Are We Going?
If by 'we' you mean 'human beings', then we are not really going any where because there is only HERE. This Universe is ALL-THERE-IS. 'We', human beings, continue to evolve and so will evolve into some thing. What that thing is actually, is depended solely upon if human beings want to become truly open and intelligent beings, and thus be able to recognize and see what IS true and right, or if they want to remain like how they are now, that is to remain assuming and believing beings.

How does Ken who has never been alive before know that THIS IS ALL THERE IS?

What do you mean by ken, who has NEVER been alive before? 'Before' what exactly?

I KNOW this is ALL-THERE-IS because there obviously could not possibly be any thing beyond nor any thing more then ALL-THERE-IS.

Yes, this is all there is to Ken who has never been alive before, but Ken has no idea where this is going because that's a mystery to Ken.

The question, if you did NOT notice, was in relation to where are 'WE' going, and NOT where 'THIS' is going?

To clarify, 'WE' and 'THIS' is NOT, and I repeat NOT, going any where. There is ONLY HERE, and there is ONLY NOW, also.

HOW can dontaskme KNOW what is, or is not, a mystery to ken, especially when dontaskme openly admits that dontaskme does NOT even know what dontaskme talks about.

Further to this, just because some thing is a complete mystery to dontaskme, then that does NOT mean it is any sort of mystery to ken or any one else, including Me.

Ken who has never been alive before, yet appears to know the ultimate answer to life, which according to Ken, this is all there is.

This is the third time dontaskme has used the term, ken who has never been alive before. What does that term actually mean, to dontaskme?

I have said many times before, similar to, I KNOW the ultimate answer to LIfe. I just wait patiently to be questioned and challenged on this. But I understand it will be a long wait because of the beliefs human beings have and want to continue to hold.

By the way, I said, "This Universe IS ALL-THERE-IS". I did NOT say, "this is all there is".

Wow Ken, how is the journey through infinity BECOME known to someone who's life is just a drop in the ocean of infinite possibility where Kens life is but a short finite appearance within the grand scheme of things?

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Obviously dontaskme has forgotten or has not yet noticed. I am the Universe, God, Allah, Spiritual Enlightenment, the pure One, the true One, or whatever other label that wants to be used to describe the One that is ALL-KNOWING and ALL-POWERFUL. ken, is just a label given to one human being.

Surely dontaskme has by now been, or become, AWARE of how I express.

But to answer your question, in short, how is the grand scheme of infinity KNOWN by one human being who has only been existing for just a relative drop compared to the ocean of infinite possibilities, well the answer is by being truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better, ken discovered and found a way to the One true Self, and on that path I revealed ALL meaningful answers to ken, which showed ken the big picture of Life, or what IS Reality Itself.

[ken]

"We" might not need to, but "we" might want to if "we" are not sure of what "we" are.

We will never be sure of what we are because everything that is familiar to us, or what we know about ourselves keeps on changing. We only know what keeps changing in relation to what doesn't change, but we tend not to look at the changeless aspect of our self because we are only interested in the knowledge of what is known.

There is no sure certainty about anything in any given moment, and that is why we have to keep reverting to knowledge we do know which is always on demand stored in memory, otherwise we wouldn't know what or how to do anything. We only know how to be in the moment because we are remembering what has passed, what we've already learnt. All knowing, knowledge is stored in dead memory, revived to make it appear like a live living movie happening here and now. We are in essence a walking talking living dead phenomena. A real fictional character.



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That might be what dontaskme does and how they operate. But that certainly is NOT what I do and how I operate.