I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'God' is optional in the NZ one but yes, it's archaic bullshit regardless. It's only for immigrants who want to be citizens, and certainly not for children. The 'pledge of allegiance' clearly has affected SF because his Nationalism blares out like an air-raid siren and he's not even aware of it.

[Immanuel Can]

I prefer freedom from religions more than freedom of religions.

I presume you live in one of our several countries that already has freedom of belief. In that case, you're already as "free from religions" as anyone can be.

Maybe you want something else. Maybe you want your religion (Gnostic) to be forced or compelled upon people, and them to be deprived of any alternate belief. Because short of that, you've already got the best situation anybody could wish.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I prefer freedom from religions more than freedom of religions.

I presume you live in one of our several countries that already has freedom of belief. In that case, you're already as "free from religions" as anyone can be.

Maybe you want something else. Maybe you want your religion (Gnostic) to be forced or compelled upon people, and them to be deprived of any alternate belief. Because short of that, you've already got the best situation anybody could wish.

Think again. Kristianity's insidious tentacles are still involved in many aspects of the laws of countries that are supposed to be secular. These days they like to disguise their superstitious and dictatorial bullshit with pseudoscience, false claims, pseudopsychology and crocodile tears. In a nutshell: LIES.

[Greatest I am]

Not that I know of.

Then why the star and crescent?

That is Islam's symbol just as the cross is for Christians.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I prefer freedom from religions more than freedom of religions.

I presume you live in one of our several countries that already has freedom of belief. In that case, you're already as "free from religions" as anyone can be.

Yes. I live in Canada, but I do not have freedom from religion when my tax dollars support religions by my having to help make up the tax shortfall that their tax exemptions give them.

Maybe you want something else. Maybe you want your religion (Gnostic) to be forced or compelled upon people, and them to be deprived of any alternate belief. Because short of that, you've already got the best situation anybody could wish.

I cannot compel belief. Can you?

That was a rhetorical question. Please ignore it.

That aside, yes, I see Gnostic Christianity as the best possible thinking pattern as it allows and even insists on free thinking that does not really permit idol worshiping.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

That aside, yes, I see Gnostic Christianity as the best possible thinking pattern...

Yeah, so? Not the question.

I'm asking, do you want to eradicate all other views? And if you don't, just what is it you do want, that you don't already have? And since you call yourself a Gnostic, would you wish to also eradicate Atheist Materialism in the same stroke by which you banished all other beliefs?

[Arising_uk]

That is Islam's symbol just as the cross is for Christians.

But a flag is for a country normally?

Which flag is it they have to swear allegiance on when becoming an American citizen?

[Seleucus]

Trending buzzword of the day in the context of Muslims:

"internment".

We tried it with the Irish Christian terrorists - it didn't work.

It didn't? I'd say internment has been extremely successful historically. Far more humane than transportation or ethnic cleansing.

Just doing a little reading, British interned 1500 Irish. Meanwhile it is suggested 3000 are involved in active Islamic plots in the UK plus another 23,000 connected. Getting these 25,000 people out of the milieu will definitely make a huge difference to the safety of Britons. Secondarily but in the long run more important will be reducing the spread of Islamism in the culture and make a huge deterrent statement.

Out side the UK, drones have killed only about 3000 Islamists in 10 years, this program should be significantly expanded.

You really need to stop treating these people as what they claim and just treat them as criminals.

No. They need to be met at the military level. There are important reasons for this as far as the concept of a state goes: insiders are punished and trained or at least treated to a duty of care, but outsiders are combatants and killed without questions in war, without trial and other processes afforded to nationals.

[Seleucus]

How about these?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-r ... -white-men

No don't tell me - they weren't Christians.

An average of once per three years. Islam is doing this everyday. Poor comparison.

[Seleucus]

I do not see much difference between a right wing Christian and right wing Muslim. Both camps have really immoral tenants.

One important difference is the number of attacks happening in 2017. Right wingers=1 per 3 years. Islam=1 per 5 hours. Another important difference if you are a White conservative Westerner is Islam is attacking you, while Right wingers are ostensibly acting for you.

[Seleucus]

Then why the star and crescent?

In my view it is a corruption of the sun and moon icon of ancient Sumer. The Vergina Sun, or Macedonian Sun, in my opinion, has the same point of origin. Like obelisks, these ancient symbols of power were co-opted by others after them who sometimes misunderstood their original meaning and use.

[Seleucus]

When I think about the French or Russian revolution and what it took to stop Christianity, it's scary to think about what will be required to stop Islam. And if that effort isn't raised against Islam, nothing will stop it. We are seeing since 1000 AD that Islam is impervious to rationality: the renaissance of the Internet isn't going to stop Islam, it will more likely create a cyber-Islamism, a lock-down on society and psychology more total than anything imagined in any sci-fi.

[Belinda]

Seleucus, do you see any future in Islam when you think of Amaddiyah Islam? I understand that Saudi Muslims are a variety of Sunni Islam.

Islam is not all one solid colour but the world of Muslims contains fundamentalist and liberal sects.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I do not see much difference between a right wing Christian and right wing Muslim. Both camps have really immoral tenants.

One important difference is the number of attacks happening in 2017. Right wingers=1 per 3 years. Islam=1 per 5 hours. Another important difference if you are a White conservative Westerner is Islam is attacking you, while Right wingers are ostensibly acting for you.

Are you counting the number of attacks by 'western' countries on muslim ones?

[Belinda]

Seleucus wrote:

When I think about the French or Russian revolution and what it took to stop Christianity, it's scary to think about what will be required to stop Islam. And if that effort isn't raised against Islam, nothing will stop it. We are seeing since 1000 AD that Islam is impervious to rationality: the renaissance of the Internet isn't going to stop Islam, it will more likely create a cyber-Islamism, a lock-down on society and psychology more total than anything imagined in any sci-fi.

Or you might opine that the age of revolutions is past and what we need now is the slow and courageous evolution of ideas. This is why it's important, when combating terrorists and terrorism, to stay faithful to democracy and precious freedoms.