The Search for Human Meaning in an Alien Universe

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The Search for Human Meaning in an Alien Universe

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I am going to ask you to stretch your logic and imagination. I want you to imagine that I am an alien from a species of
being that existed eons before Man - Imagine that we just discovered your species and are observing you and your history
which is now easily accessible to us. We are perplexed - we don't understand your history - It appears illogical to us
- Why do you keep repeating the same meaningless power struggles of destruction and chaos and offer little hope to your own kind? You appear to be a species without focus - You give yourselves causes to exist apparently to oppose each other
and kill each other in determining who is right. To us this is crazy - you appear to be an insane and illogical species.

We on the other hand evolved logically - We always were more machine like than your biological paradigm - And wonder
sometimes if it is your very biology that dooms your species to its power struggles and dog eat dog mentality. But we do see
your species as being creative and capable of understanding the ethical questions of existence so we are curious. You
have advanced your science to the point of where it represents a potential threat to your local universe and we are concerned. We are not here to force our will or power upon you - but if your species begins to become a serious threat
to our universe we will eliminate you and you could not stop us as our technology is thousands of years in advance of
yours.

So let us again ask you Human - Why are you here? - What can you contribute to the existent paradigm of your world
and our Universe :?:
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And what do you see as the top ethical question of existence? Because to me, it's always "why perpetuate it".

So yeah, come on down and obliterate the species. You'll be doing it a favour, not yourself.
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Dalek Prime wrote:And what do you see as the top ethical question of existence? Because to me, it's always "why perpetuate it".

So yeah, come on down and obliterate the species. You'll be doing it a favour, not yourself.
The famous, or should I say infamous, Dalek Prime, a sci-fi myth in his own time. And talking about time, that is the
reason we hesitate to obliterate your species. To us who roam dimensions your scientists are just beginning to imagine
time is what you call money - literally, we create and make time to expand our perimeters. It is true the Human
experiment has been anything but successful - but when you spend thousands of years on a sexual/genetic project it is not
easy to admit failure. As Humans are now becoming aware of genetics and how they can be manipulated as well as
Trans-humanism and the ability to go beyond biological limitations, we take a 'wait-see' attitude and those of us
who have grown fond of the Humanoid species still maintain hope that the species can still break with its evolutionary
slow track and jump forward in time to the unlimited future we offer.

For a Human perspective of us see:
SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Religion of the FUTURE
http://universalspacealienpeoplesassoci ... uture.html
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Oh, don't take us so seriously! We only have wars, destruction and genocide to break the monotony. We consider it a grave sin to contravene the sacred customs of the past. Besides we often donate our good deeds to the gods announcing each such donation with Allahu Akbar. Each Allahu is another friendly heloha to the next new batch of 70 virgins. Some of us merely wish to retire sooner and get busy than others. For the sake of intra-galactic amity we would be happy to show you how it's done. But please don't exterminate us otherwise we won't have a future.
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Dubious wrote:Oh, don't take us so seriously! We only have wars, destruction and genocide to break the monotony. We consider it a grave sin to contravene the sacred customs of the past. Besides we often donate our good deeds to the gods announcing each such donation with Allahu Akbar. Each Allahu is another friendly heloha to the next new batch of 70 virgins. Some of us merely wish to retire sooner and get busy than others. For the sake of intra-galactic amity we would be happy to show you how it's done. But please don't exterminate us otherwise we won't have a future.
But you see we do take your species very seriously - Ever since you unlocked the power of the atom and now have the
means not only to destroy yourselves but cause serious damage to your local universe. This is why so called UFO
sightings started to become common soon after your entrance into the nuclear age.

Now the illogical part of your historical paradigm is that you continue to use religion, supposedly based upon justice and
knowledge of right and wrong to kill each other - Exactly what god are you giving homage to? Apparently the gods
of destruction - this is illogical. But you are not alone. Of the many species that reached your level of technology,
that is where you had nuclear power and nuclear bombs, about fifty percent destroy themselves within the first
25 years of this development and either become extinct or drive themselves back to a stone age level of existence
- This has already happened once on your planet - Atlantis being a case in point, though it took about 100 years
before the Atlantians destroyed their island and whose few survivors resurfaced in Ancient Egypt and are partially responsible for the Pyramids still standing there.

Now here is the good news Human - Because you have not yet wiped each other off the surface of your planet even though
you have had nuclear bombs for about 70 years - there is hope - You may survive and sill become a Class 1 Civilization
- One of your speculative philosophers Russian astrophysicist, Nikolai Kardashev:

The Kardashev Scale – Type I, II, III, IV & V Civilization
We have reached a turning point in society. According to renowned theoretical physicist Michio Kaku, the next 100 years of science will determine whether we perish or thrive. Will we remain a Type 0 civilization, or will we advance and make our way into the stars?

Theorists assert that, as a civilization grows larger and becomes more advanced, its energy demands will increase rapidly due to its population growth and the energy requirements of its various machines. With this in mind, the Kardashev scale was developed as a way of measuring a civilization’s technological advancement based upon how much usable energy it has at its disposal.

Meet the Kardashev Scale:..........
See whole article here:
http://futurism.com/the-kardashev-scale ... ilization/

There is plenty of space out here Human and it is our sincere wish that you end the quagmire of your sordid history
and join us in our search for the outer limits of time and space at edges of universes without borders.

-UniversalAlien
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A regular solar flare from our local sun has more power than our largest fusion device, so I wouldn't worry too much about the destructive power of the humanity. But I am quite serious regarding not perpetuating existence, and that includes any other sentient species in the universe.
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UniversalAlien wrote: And talking about time, that is the
reason we hesitate to obliterate your species. To us who roam dimensions your scientists are just beginning to imagine
time is what you call money - literally, we create and make time to expand our perimeters. It is true the Human
experiment has been anything but successful - but when you spend thousands of years on a sexual/genetic project it is not
easy to admit failure. As Humans are now becoming aware of genetics and how they can be manipulated as well as
Trans-humanism and the ability to go beyond biological limitations, we take a 'wait-see' attitude and those of us
who have grown fond of the Humanoid species still maintain hope that the species can still break with its evolutionary
slow track and jump forward in time to the unlimited future we offer.
I think you may be getting a little too deep into character here. Try not to lose sight of the fact that you're only pretending to be an alien.
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Harbal wrote:[
I think you may be getting a little too deep into character here. Try not to lose sight of the fact that you're only pretending to be an alien.
And you Harbal? How can I be sure you are really a Human? AI {Artificial Intelligence} is already at a state on your planet
where a response such as yours could be an AI - prove you are Human.

Many of the Humans of your current era claiming alien contact are not delusional - We have been making surreptitious
contact with select Humans for a long time - more so recently and have often tried to influence your history to improve
it - Where do you think religious thinking came from? Agreed we have mostly failed!

So why do we continue? As explained earlier we don't understand what went wrong with the Human experiment. We know
that the earlier Neanderthals we upgraded to Human had primitive traits and we were hoping to improve them into a
a more advanced paradigm such as us - but apparently biological life resists improvement and all our attempts to
upgrade it, even though successful in some aspects, miserably fail in others - hence your warlike and overly competitive nature.

As I said time is money and when you spend thousands of years on an evolutionary experiment - many of us do not want
to let it go - We still see some Human potential here - Do you Human?

-UniverscalAlien
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UniversalAlien wrote: And you Harbal? How can I be sure you are really a Human?
I can't always be sure so I'm not even going to try to convince you.
prove you are Human.
I've got a national insurance number so the government are obviously satisfied that I'm human.
We have been making surreptitious
contact with select Humans for a long time
Well can I take this opportunity to thank you for not selecting me.
Where do you think religious thinking came from
I suppose I just assumed it came from religious thinkers.
So why do we continue
Attention seeking would be my guess.
Neanderthals we upgraded to Human had primitive traits and we were hoping to improve them into a
a more advanced paradigm such as us
That is probably where you went wrong. If you wanted the Neanderthals to be like you it would have been better to leave them as they were.
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UniversalAlien wrote:
So why do we continue? As explained earlier we don't understand what went wrong with the Human experiment. We know
that the earlier Neanderthals we upgraded to Human had primitive traits and we were hoping to improve them into a
a more advanced paradigm such as us - but apparently biological life resists improvement and all our attempts to
upgrade it, even though successful in some aspects, miserably fail in others - hence your warlike and overly competitive nature.

-UniverscalAlien
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You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU! :evil:

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell and stop moralizing!! how you're going to fix it since we're clearly off the hook? :twisted:
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Dubious wrote: You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU! :evil:

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell! and stop moralizing how you're going fix it since we're clearly off the hook? :twisted:
Calm down, dear. He's only pretending to be an alien.
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Harbal wrote:
Dubious wrote: You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU! :evil:

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell! and stop moralizing how you're going fix it since we're clearly off the hook? :twisted:
Calm down, dear. He's only pretending to be an alien.
...not good enough! Our reputation throughout the galaxy...and possibly beyond has been impugned. If we want to travel there some day, they'll all have mug shots on us BEFORE we arrive!
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Dubious wrote:
Harbal wrote:
Dubious wrote: You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU! :evil:

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell! and stop moralizing how you're going fix it since we're clearly off the hook? :twisted:
Calm down, dear. He's only pretending to be an alien.
...not good enough! Our reputation throughout the galaxy...and possibly beyond has been impugned. If we want to travel there some day, they'll all have mug shots on us BEFORE we arrive!
Or on the no fly list. ;)
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Dubious wrote:
You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU! :evil:

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell and stop moralizing!! how you're going to fix it since we're clearly off the hook? :twisted:
No, it is consciousness that it responsible for all problems - All consciousness, Human or otherwise, exists in a
problematic state - All that is conscious exists in a state of paradox - And your species can not reconcile the conflict
and so conflicts with each other needlessly and habitually even when the conflicts have no merit.

As long as you are conscious you are never 'off the hook' :!: Strong species survive and prosper - the weak destroy
each other and become extinct. And you ask us to fix it? Best we can do now is tell you what happened, what was
supposed to happen and appologize for our failures - But there are no gods to forgive your sins any more Humans
- It is our univrese and if you want to fly with us to explorations beyond your wildest imaginations and explore a
universe whose grandeur yon can not even imagine - You will have to get your act together - The same power you
now have to annihilate each other can propel you into a new age, a new dawn. All we can do for you now is to try
to tell you that even though your historical problem is not completely your fault - Only you can fix it :arrow: :idea:
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I think stupid species survive. The smart ones go extinct on purpose. And dinosaurs just got plumb lucky.

BTW, UA, I think you're right about consciousness being problematic, but to then assert existence as a good thing, when it is the prerequisite for consciousness, is simply ass backwards.
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