Serenity is the feeling that nothing is a waste of time

[alpha]

You are saying that relativism is wrong because relativists say that black is white.

[Hobbes knocks Alpha on the head (a hollow sound returns)}
Relativism does not say that!

i'm saying that even if someone says "black=white", relativists would still argue that it could be true under so and so (hypothetical) circumstances.

again, i've seen walls that weren't as thick as you.

Look in the mirror to see thickness, unfortunately you just can't understand how relativism applies. Your bad, not mine! Not everything is an either/or dichotomy.

a part of me wants to say (as henry would) "explain it to me, slowly", but i fear that you'd post a long essay, without actually clarifying anything.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You are saying that relativism is wrong because relativists say that black is white.

[Hobbes knocks Alpha on the head (a hollow sound returns)}
Relativism does not say that!

i'm saying that even if someone says "black=white", relativists would still argue that it could be true under so and so (hypothetical) circumstances.

again, i've seen walls that weren't as thick as you.

Look in the mirror to see thickness, unfortunately you just can't understand how relativism applies. Your bad, not mine! Not everything is an either/or dichotomy.

a part of me wants to say (as henry would) "explain it to me, slowly", but i fear that you'd post a long essay, without actually clarifying anything.

But then you assume whom that would speak more of; as far as I'm concerned, the error in your thinking. But then boys will be boys.

[alpha]

But then you assume whom that would speak more of; as far as I'm concerned, the error in your thinking. But then boys will be boys.

and relativist will be relativists.

[SpheresOfBalance]

But then you assume whom that would speak more of; as far as I'm concerned, the error in your thinking. But then boys will be boys.

and relativist will be relativists.

You do realize that I was speaking of both of us, right?
Misconception is a funny thing, it's usually due to ones projection of self, but not necessarily always.

[alpha]

But then you assume whom that would speak more of; as far as I'm concerned, the error in your thinking. But then boys will be boys.

and relativist will be relativists.

You do realize that I was speaking of both of us, right?
Misconception is a funny thing, it's usually due to ones projection of self, but not necessarily always.

i didn't necessarily realize that you meant both of us, but i don't appreciate someone applying the same assumptions to me, that they apply to themselves. you know almost nothing about me, yet you make all sorts of conclusions, assumptions, accusations, etc.. now that's projection if i ever saw any.

don't take this the wrong way, but you are the king of ad homs. you're almost incapable of replying without making reference (in some way) to the other person's personal life, based on what you perceive them to be, nonetheless.

[SpheresOfBalance]

But then you assume whom that would speak more of; as far as I'm concerned, the error in your thinking. But then boys will be boys.

and relativist will be relativists.

You do realize that I was speaking of both of us, right?
Misconception is a funny thing, it's usually due to ones projection of self, but not necessarily always.

i didn't necessarily realize that you meant both of us, but i don't appreciate someone applying the same assumptions to me, that they apply to themselves. you know almost nothing about me, yet you make all sorts of conclusions, assumptions, accusations, etc.. now that's projection if i ever saw any.
In this case, I don't need to know anything about your personal life, all I need to know is that we share the same biology, unless of course you're a frog? But then only humans use computers, right? We are the same in that we are both ruled by testosterone, unless what rules you is estrogen. The difference between us is knowledge, did you even consider biology before taking offense. I can see that you are yet another one that fails to understand the truth of things. Which is the physics of the universe! And you bite off the head of anyone that knows more about you, than apparently, you do. And you said I jump to conclusions, just put me on ignore like all the rest, that fear truth. No not mine, but that of the human condition, of which we all share, if we only pay attention and are honest with ourselves. Count me as a no account, as it shall serve your frustration well.

don't take this the wrong way, but you are the king of ad homs.
No I'm the king of observation, and I've observed people for 58 years, as I traveled around the world, seeing difference, and yet none. I actually had a personality profile done by PhD's in psychology amongst other humanities, which said that I have the uncanny ability to 'alienate' people (sound familiar?) because I tend to cut them off before they finish speaking, as I often know what it is their going to say, before they say it, the test referred to me as the 'consummate observer.' Now you can believe what you want to, there is no doubt in my mind that you shall. But I was 'extremely' introverted as a young man, I hardly spoke to any one, instead I watched them very closely, and in so doing, while not considering self, I picked up on everything that they were, in terms of human motivations. It's a curse in terms of friendship, yet it's a blessing in terms of knowing the human animal. No it wasn't fun at all, all that I missed observing, instead of living life, but it's valuable.

you're almost incapable of replying without making reference (in some way) to the other person's personal life, based on what you perceive them to be, nonetheless.
No in this particular case it was to do with biology, chemically in your brain, not your personal life. Boys will be boys is a very old saying indeed! That you are unaware of it is unsurprising, time has that affect.

So put me on ignore, I'm not your standard everyday Joe. Want me to show you how to do it, or shall your pride see you through it?

Sorry but I get feisty sometimes, especially in the face of a gang bang. Of course you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

Later my once friend!

[alpha]

In this case, I don't need to know anything about your personal life, all I need to know is that we share the same biology, unless of course you're a frog? But then only humans use computers, right? We are the same in that we are both ruled by testosterone, unless what rules you is estrogen. The difference between us is knowledge, did you even consider biology before taking offense. I can see that you are yet another one that fails to understand the truth of things. Which is the physics of the universe! And you bite off the head of anyone that knows more about you, than apparently, you do. And you said I jump to conclusions, just put me on ignore like all the rest, that fear truth. No not mine, but that of the human condition, of which we all share, if we only pay attention and are honest with ourselves. Count me as a no account, as it shall serve your frustration well.

i was talking about your posts in general, not just this one.

don't take this the wrong way, but you are the king of ad homs.

No I'm the king of observation, and I've observed people for 58 years, as I traveled around the world, seeing difference, and yet none. I actually had a personality profile done by PhD's in psychology amongst other humanities, which said that I have the uncanny ability to 'alienate' people (sound familiar?) because I tend to cut them off before they finish speaking, as I often know what it is their going to say, before they say it, the test referred to me as the 'consummate observer.' Now you can believe what you want to, there is no doubt in my mind that you shall. But I was 'extremely' introverted as a young man, I hardly spoke to any one, instead I watched them very closely, and in so doing, while not considering self, I picked up on everything that they were, in terms of human motivations. It's a curse in terms of friendship, yet it's a blessing in terms of knowing the human animal. No it wasn't fun at all, all that I missed observing, instead of living life, but it's valuable.

i'm also very observant, but mostly when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies.

you're almost incapable of replying without making reference (in some way) to the other person's personal life, based on what you perceive them to be, nonetheless.

No in this particular case it was to do with biology, chemically in your brain, not your personal life. Boys will be boys is a very old saying indeed! That you are unaware of it is unsurprising, time has that affect.

as i mentioned, i was referring to your overall demeanor.

So put me on ignore, I'm not your standard everyday Joe. Want me to show you how to do it, or shall your pride see you through it?

only if you can explain it in under ten pages.

Sorry but I get feisty sometimes, especially in the face of a gang bang. Of course you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

and you blame me for assuming you're a woman, after a few interactions.

Later my once friend![/color]

twice friend. let's give it another shot, shall we?

[SpheresOfBalance]

In this case, I don't need to know anything about your personal life, all I need to know is that we share the same biology, unless of course you're a frog? But then only humans use computers, right? We are the same in that we are both ruled by testosterone, unless what rules you is estrogen. The difference between us is knowledge, did you even consider biology before taking offense. I can see that you are yet another one that fails to understand the truth of things. Which is the physics of the universe! And you bite off the head of anyone that knows more about you, than apparently, you do. And you said I jump to conclusions, just put me on ignore like all the rest, that fear truth. No not mine, but that of the human condition, of which we all share, if we only pay attention and are honest with ourselves. Count me as a no account, as it shall serve your frustration well.

i was talking about your posts in general, not just this one.

don't take this the wrong way, but you are the king of ad homs.

No I'm the king of observation, and I've observed people for 58 years, as I traveled around the world, seeing difference, and yet none. I actually had a personality profile done by PhD's in psychology amongst other humanities, which said that I have the uncanny ability to 'alienate' people (sound familiar?) because I tend to cut them off before they finish speaking, as I often know what it is their going to say, before they say it, the test referred to me as the 'consummate observer.' Now you can believe what you want to, there is no doubt in my mind that you shall. But I was 'extremely' introverted as a young man, I hardly spoke to any one, instead I watched them very closely, and in so doing, while not considering self, I picked up on everything that they were, in terms of human motivations. It's a curse in terms of friendship, yet it's a blessing in terms of knowing the human animal. No it wasn't fun at all, all that I missed observing, instead of living life, but it's valuable.

i'm also very observant, but mostly when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies.
Well I surely hope that you're not speaking of what I just said, because then I'd have to say, "only to your way of thinking, based upon your bias, of those things you believe are self evident, your preconception that you bring to the table." That you've known no one like me, is cause for you to not understand in the least. Though here I am, the rough and tumble, just as hard headed as all the rest, as "BOYS WILL BE BOYS."

My psychologist said that my brain was literally changed when I was 3.5-4 years of age, as my father literally suffocated me with fear, I became unconscious, seeing nothing but black. I've been exposed to lead paint eating it off my crib, only to have more lead paint applied. I was exposed to many very hazardous chemicals, MEK, MIK, Toluene, Nitrocellulose Lacquer Thinner, Aliphatic Naphtha, and Stoddard Solvent. The VA checked my blood oxygen saying that it was low, and that it was probably due to the absorbed chems, but I wonder about my time spent without oxygen as a 3.5-4 year old.

Fearful yet? Formed any generalized pigeon holing that puts me in my place? Your rationalization of what I am so as to navigate through the murky waters of my mind? My abilities/inabilities? The seriousness or lack thereof that you should attribute to the meaning of my unfathomable words?

So is that the funny thing, that my IQ was tested as above average, 6 points beyond the halfway point between average and genius, 4 points below the three quarter point, between average and genius. Not genius, but I'll take it. I made deans list 75% of my time at university, though it was university college. Still I'll take it! A "B" or above is good enough for me, I'm not too proud. If I'd actually read the books, I'm sure I'd done much better, instead of just taking notes during the lectures. I was selfish with my time, 'relatively' a bad student.

Did I tell you that I'm a hermit, really only speaking to my wife. I have no male friends, not for some time now. I'm indeed somewhat of a recluse.

Are we frightened yet?

All these things of my experience, a reflection of my mind. Though it's only the tip of the iceberg, so it is for all. I need not know of your trials and tribulations, as I can navigate the human condition quite well.

Oh what a handful I can be, as you're well aware! You owe me nothing that I haven't already gotten from your arguments, the thought exercise that you've provided.

you're almost incapable of replying without making reference (in some way) to the other person's personal life, based on what you perceive them to be, nonetheless.

No in this particular case it was to do with biology, chemically in your brain, not your personal life. Boys will be boys is a very old saying indeed! That you are unaware of it is unsurprising, time has that affect.

as i mentioned, i was referring to your overall demeanor.
Yes I'm a pain in the arse, aren't I? No it's not that I'm trying to be so for affect, it's seriously just me!

So put me on ignore, I'm not your standard everyday Joe. Want me to show you how to do it, or shall your pride see you through it?

only if you can explain it in under ten pages.
Yes I understand! Time, the most valuable gift one an give, as it's the one thing we can't get back, and that we shall probably wish we had more of, in the end.

Sorry but I get feisty sometimes, especially in the face of a gang bang. Of course you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

and you blame me for assuming you're a woman, after a few interactions.
Funny, in the coincidence of it's dual application, but I believe you know what I meant, no?

Later my once friend![/color]

twice friend. let's give it another shot, shall we?
To my way of thinking, to be a friend is to always be honest, even to the point of being brutally honest. I'm honest to a fault! Being friends does not mean I'll hold anything back, to do so would be dishonest, so... Bring it on! Are you really ready?

[SpheresOfBalance]

i'm also very observant, but mostly when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies.

And yet you didn't understand what I meant in terms of the "Consciousness and free will." thread.

I guess you mean that you're only observant, when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies contained in archaic, antiquated beliefs, those that you've rehearsed over and over, that you're well familiar with, as certainly new possibilities seem to escape your observation.

[alpha]

i'm also very observant, but mostly when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies.

And yet you didn't understand what I meant in terms of the "Consciousness and free will." thread.

I guess you mean that you're only observant, when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies contained in archaic, antiquated beliefs, those that you've rehearsed over and over, that you're well familiar with, as certainly new possibilities seem to escape your observation.

nope, just new impossibilities.

[SpheresOfBalance]

i'm also very observant, but mostly when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies.

And yet you didn't understand what I meant in terms of the "Consciousness and free will." thread.

I guess you mean that you're only observant, when it comes to logical fallacies and inconsistencies contained in archaic, antiquated beliefs, those that you've rehearsed over and over, that you're well familiar with, as certainly new possibilities seem to escape your observation.

nope, just new impossibilities.

Funny, but without sound logic at all. As I see that nothing is necessarily impossible, just often improbable, but not necessarily, given enough time and thus change.

[Hobbes' Choice]

You two need to stop the mutual masturbation. SoB has no spunk,and is not pretty enough to make Alpa come.
You are going to wear each other out.

[alpha]

lol, hc.

[alpha]

Funny, but without sound logic at all. As I see that nothing is necessarily impossible, just often improbable, but not necessarily, given enough time and thus change.

one example of something impossible is two contradictory statements being true at the same time, and in the same respect. for instance: something being white and not white at the same time.

i know you're gonna try relativising this by saying stuff like: something can be relatively white and relatively yellow at the same time.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You two need to stop the mutual masturbation. SoB has no spunk,and is not pretty enough to make Alpa come.
You are going to wear each other out.

Hobbes, stop peeking at my messages, I forbid it! Turn your head the other way, divert your eyes or it shall make you go blind!