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MozartLink
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I wish to only stay over here where it is bright and sunny and not over there where it is dark, cold, empty, and meaningless. I see two places to be at in life. One region is bright, warm, and sunny which would be the lifestyle of personality type #1. But the other is dark, cold, and empty which would be the lifestyle of personality type #2. The shadow dwellers in world type #2 claim that there is much light, warmth, fulfillment, and meaning in this realm.

But that to me is just plain nonsense. So for that very reason, I have decided to dismiss them and remain in my world of light, sunshine, and rainbows. They too do not wish to be in my world of sunshine and warmth either and deem it as cold, dark, empty, and meaningless.

But unfortunately, it seems as though the darkness of the shadow world has creeped over to my world. Now I find myself living among the dwellers of the underworld who now make it clear to me that what they deem as light, warmth, fulfillment, and meaning in their world is darkness, coldness, emptiness, and meaninglessness in my world and vice versa. I wish to have nothing to do with these moblins. They are disgusting inferior creatures to me.

I find this shadow realm to be the most bleak and depressing world I could ever live. So lucky for them that they deem it as enlightening, inspiring, joyful, light, warmth, meaning, etc. I think they should stop making me try to live their way of life and by their morals and whatnot. If I can't find any way to escape this dungeon of hell back into the life of profoundness, beauty, and light, then I will see to it that I no longer have to live by their world and morals. I will end my life using the very chains they have chastened me with.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

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There's nobody messin' with you but you.

That's how it is for each of us.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

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Why can´t you escape this dungeon ?

At least for a certain time ?

I have never tried any medication or drugs but some of them seem to work for certain patients.
Prozac is a famous one.

Dancing to South American rhythms is very uplifting. Have you ever tried such things out ?
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Re: I need someone to talk to

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We have to struggle every day to get some warmth, sunshine and brightness.
Otherwise we stay in the mud.

Human warmth is important. If we think of something nice to say to someone and do it, this person may one day do the same for me. So the effort is an investment.
When things develop into a positive relationship we can look forward to an intercation in the future and reminisce about interactions in the past.
MozartLink
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Re: I need someone to talk to

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First of all, how many people do you know who, for example, play a great videogame or have a fun time, experience a profound and awesome good mood from that, but brush that good mood off to the side like it is nothing and think to themselves that the good moods don't make anything important, don't give good meaning, don't give joy or happiness/etc. and that it is just the thought of playing the game itself and having that time of life that matters and gives good meaning, joy, happiness, etc? The answer here would be not too many at all.

If you are someone who does, then I wouldn't even consider your personality to be that of any profound human being at all. This is because our pleasure (good moods) are a very profound life force. Although it does make us very human and our lives profound and great, for you to be someone to dismiss such a sacred energy would deem your personality as nothing more than that of a dead and lifeless intellectual robot regardless of how much you live for your family and other things in your life. So, in short, you are nothing great at all in terms of your personality.

We have many different forms of awareness. We have touch, smell, sight, hearing, etc. which are all forms of awareness (mental experiences). We also have another form of awareness known as thought. We can be aware that, for example, our family is of profound meaning to us. But this same awareness can take on the form of a far more profound version. It is in the version of our good moods (good feelings). So instead of knowing (thinking) that our family means something profound to us, we can feel that they mean something profound to us.

But here is what separates hedonists from non-hedonists. Hedonists prefer the latter form of awareness while the non-hedonists prefer the former. As a matter of fact, I see a contradiction in the perspective of non-hedonists. Let me give a few examples. It is our good moods that drive our profoundness. If someone experienced a very profoundly powerful feeling of pleasure (a good mood) from being out in nature, then he/she would be driven to perform a profound act, tone, or expression such as standing there, sighing, and profoundly closing his/her eyes.

But I dare say to that person, try that again. But this time, with only the thought alone and not any good moods at all. You will clearly see here how those same profound acts, tones, and expressions are not driven at all. Rather, it was just simply a matter of you choosing them and nothing more. They are now devoid acts, tones, and expressions without your good moods. Now try those same acts, tones, and expressions. But this time, do them very intense and profoundly as though you are experiencing very intense and powerful profound beauty, innocence, love, joy, happiness, etc.

You will now clearly see how they are not driven at all and are nothing more than you choosing and forcing yourself to perform them. They didn't come naturally at all. So this clearly says here that you cannot experience profound beauty, innocence, joy, happiness, good meaning, etc. through your thoughts alone without your good moods.

As a matter of fact, those same acts, tones, and expressions will become much more devoid if you performed them while struggling with severe depression. Here it would really be contradictory for you to perform profoundly cheerful, blissful, happy, joyful, etc. acts, tones, and expressions while being in a profoundly bleak, depressive, and despairing mood.

Don't believe me? Many people who struggle with depression and anhedonia claim that their lives have no drive, no inspiration, joy, happiness, etc. So that says a lot here. Furthermore, I will also bring up what I said before which was that animals are shown to gain interest and pursue/perform more and more activities when their reward system is stimulated and they are in a good mood. But they lose interest when they are anhedonic and/or depressed and give up. So that also says a lot here as well.

We are meant to be such animals. We are pleasure seekers and pain avoiders. But we have developed what is known as the "moral system" which obscures and blinds us from our inner animal. It is an unnatural lifestyle imposed upon us. We live in a modern pressured society where natural instincts and tendencies are often forbidden and restricted. So the pain/pleasure principle is our way of life and not the moral way. If we live by any morals and by our logical thinking area of our brain, then it is only so that we can live as long as possible to have the most pleasure throughout our lives in such a way that doesn't result in much anhedonia, depression, and suffering down the road.

But to pressure someone like me or anyone else into living a non-hedonistic depressed/anhedonic lifestyle would be no different than pressuring anyone to live a lonesome life with no human contact whatsoever. We are hardwired to be social animals. Therefore, to pressure someone to live a lonesome life separate from all of humanity is an unnatural lifestyle imposed just as much so as pressuring someone to live a non-hedonistic life without their good moods.

This is because we are also hardwired to be pleasure seekers and pain avoiders as I said before. We are naturally hedonists by default just like other animals which are pleasure seekers and pain avoiders. So we need human contact just as much so as we need pleasure (our good moods) in life. Some people are actually fine living without those things. But I think that would be quite unnatural and would be a mental disorder. I need my pleasure. I can't live without it.

Sure, we might do something such as help someone or save their life regardless of what mood we are in and we might genuinely think to ourselves that these people matter to us even while we are not in a good mood. But really, we are meant to live to find good meaning, love, joy, happiness, etc. only through our pleasure (good moods). We do not have the Nucleus Accumbens for nothing. That is an extremely important brain region that encourages our survival. It is what gives us our good moods.

I am now going to demonstrate to you an example that differentiates the former form of awareness (our thoughts) and the latter form of awareness (our good moods) that I mentioned earlier. If I were to have the thought right now without my good moods that nature is profound and beautiful to me or that my family has immense good meaning to me and bring me good meaning, love, joy, happiness, inspiration, etc., then this would just be a blank intellectual mental state. It is where I am in the mental state of having nothing more than just thoughts.

So there is nothing here for me just yet. I have to wait for that pleasure signal to get sent. Once that pleasure signal gets sent to my brain (which it can't now since I have anhedonia), then that is when everything including my own family and goals/dreams come alive to me. I feel this surge of powerful, profound, heavenly, sacred, divine, and transcending life force. It is as if it transcends me into heaven. I am now in a state of paradise in which everything in my life has good meaning, love, joy, happiness, inspiration, etc.

I can use the same example when listening to a profound song that I heard from my childhood. If I just had the thought that this song is profound to me without my good moods, then that is nothing more than just a bland and lifeless intellectual mental state. I am listening to nothing more than just a bunch of patternized noise on the radio. So it is just nothing more than a song at this point. But the moment that pleasure signal gets sent and I feel all the magnificence, life, profoundness, innocence, nostalgia, and beauty of my childhood, then that is the moment where this song is far more than just a song.

It now has immense good meaning to me. It is no longer "dead," bland, and lifeless anymore. Here again, the thought version of this profoundness is nothing at all. It is no profound experience for me whatsoever and is nothing more than just bland and dead lifeless thoughts to me. Only me having these profound good vibes (good moods) gives my life good meaning, love, joy, happiness, inspiration, etc. Therefore, it goes without saying here that the former form of awareness is nothing great or profound at all. Only the latter form of awareness is something great and profound. It is a transcended form of awareness like being a profound angel or some sort of profound deity filled with life.

Thoughts are nothing more than just thoughts. But the moment they transform themselves into the form of our good moods, then that is the moment where we and our lives are transcended into something profound and great. It is sort of like a spiritual life form or organism that lives and thrives off of spirit (life) energy from people, other living things, and its environment. Thoughts alone will not be any source of spiritual growth or anything for this organism. The organism needs the transcending spiritual life force coursing through it.

So with that being said, since our good moods are the very things that drive us (encourage our survival) and transcend us and our lives with profound spiritual-like energy, then they just have to be the only things that can give good meaning to our lives. We have the functions of our brains that allow us to see, hear, touch, smell, etc. But you then have the other brain functions which take in and process the information neccessary for us to experience those things. But those other brain functions alone will not allow us to experience those things. Only the final result gives us those things. That being, once the signal finally gets sent to the functions of our brains that allow us to have those things, then that is when we would be experiencing (having) them.

So this also applies to us having good meaning, love, joy, happiness, inspiration, etc. in our lives. The thinking brain function alone does not give us those things either. Only once it sends the pleasure signal or displeasure signal would our lives then either have good meaning (good moods) or bad meaning (bad moods) once we get that pleasure or displeasure signal. So it is actually our moods alone that give us good or bad meaning to our lives and not the other way around which many people think.
Our thoughts and moods are so closely tied and related in the world of psychology and neurology that people have them confused. What I mean by this is that they think it is our way of thinking alone that gives good or bad meaning to our lives and that our moods are nothing important and don't give good or bad meaning to us and our lives. But it is actually the other way around. Therefore, our modern pressured moral society has us all confused.

The moral version of good and bad is a thought version of good and bad. If we think to ourselves that our lives still have good or bad meaning regardless of what mental state or situation we are in, then that is somehow supposed to give good or bad meaning to our lives. But this doesn't give good or bad meaning to our lives. It only gives us words and phrases of good and bad meaning.

There is instead a feeling/emotional non-moral (mood) version of good and bad that has nothing to do with our way of thinking and is completely independent of our way of thinking. This is what gives our lives actual good and bad meaning. It is a version of good and bad that scientists have yet to discover. It is the good and bad of the future that science has yet to discover through advanced neurological technology.

It will change the world. That is my theory. My theory is that this mood version of good and bad exists and that scientists have yet to discover it. Discovering it would help scientists find cures for suffering, anhedonia, mortality, and depression like never before knowing that our good moods are all that we really have to give good meaning to us and our lives.

But currently, we as human beings are brainwashed and fooled by our modern pressured moral society into thinking that it is instead our way of thinking alone that gives our lives good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration. Really, it is no different than how society brainwashes us with other things such as religion. But I am a skeptical and free thinker. My conclusions have honestly and truly led me to there being a mood version of good and bad and that this is the one and only thing that can give our lives good and bad meaning.

Currently, good meaning, happiness, joy, love, inspiration, etc. is said to not be chemical in nature. That it is instead our choices, being accepting/content with our lives, and us choosing to still pursue our goals/dreams and help others in life anyway. They are said to not be our good moods at all. However, that it is our good moods that are chemical in nature. These people would give them a new lesser term called "pleasure." They also give a lesser term for someone who lives for pleasure who only finds good meaning in his/her life through his/her experience of pleasure. They would call them "hedonists.
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But since the words "pleasure" and "hedonism" imply something less important and of very little significance in life and since it is our good moods that are of the utmost significance, then terms should be switched around here. Happiness, joy, love, good meaning, and inspiration should be our pleasure (good moods) while our way of thinking alone should be considered nothing at all. Nothing more than intellect.

As a matter of fact, I would no longer give the terms "pleasure" and "hedonism" to our good moods at all anymore. I would call our good moods "soul energy," "sacred energy," "divine energy," "life," or "transcending energy" since that is what they are. That is what they feel like. If it feels like that, then that means it is that. It's no different than how if something feels painful, then that means it is painful.

You are having the mental experience of pain just as how you would also be having the mental experience of that transcending soul energy (your good moods). But thoughts alone will not give us that. They don't give us pain (our unpleasant sensations) or our good moods either when our good moods are turned off due to depression or anhedonia.

Good and bad are feelings/emotions which would be our good and bad moods. They are not value judgments. You might of noticed that I just used a value judgment in saying that. So you might be thinking here that they are value judgments. But I don't think so at all. I truly and honestly think and am truly and honestly convinced here that they are our good and bad moods alone in of themselves.

As for hedonism, I would no longer refer to is as hedonism. I would give it a new term called "spiritualism" or "spiritualistic hedonism." This is because our good moods are such profound spiritual experiences for us and are the one and only source of spiritual growth for us as human beings. I don't care how much you haven't grown in terms of your personality and attitude. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you are a spoiled child, a psychotic sociopath, or someone helpful and innocent. Your family, life, goals/dreams, and this very universe only matters and is of good value/worth to you only when you are experiencing good moods from them. This is all that matters and is the only source of spiritual growth.

When I developed anhedonia and struggled with depression, then many people said to me that I can still have good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration in my life. What I thought they meant by that is that I can still have that "sacred divine transcending energy" in my life, but in a different form. In an intellectual form instead. Like there is somehow a new version of a good mood that I can somehow achieve in my life while being depressed and/or anhedonic at the same time. That the good moods I once experienced in my life in the past can somehow be re-experienced in a different form.

So I really looked into trying to achieve this new version of a good mood. But no matter how much I tried and no matter what I thought over time, everything was still nothing but thoughts to me. I could not experience a sacred divine transcending energy in my life at all through my intellect alone. I heard people say that having good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration in one's life is far greater than having pleasure (our good moods). So I blatantly assumed that there is some far greater sacred divine transcending experience to be had in my life through my intellect alone. In other words, a far more profound good mood to be experienced.

I tried and tried to achieve this new mental state to no avail. So what these people must mean then is a whole new mental experience entirely that transcends even our good moods. Something that even I would like far more. It must be some sort of "sixth sense," if you will, of the brain. Like some whole new function of our brains implanted into us from another universe of heavenly angels and god-like beings.

If my thinking alone can achieve that, then what an amazing function our thoughts must be! Here all along I thought they were nothing more than just thoughts. Just some intellectual experience. So maybe I should give it more time for this new mental state to eventually be achieved in my life. I could be reborn in an entirely new way. It will be a whole new and far greater "sacred divine transcending energy" for me.

Wait? What? It's not like that you say? Do you mean to honestly tell me that this very intellectual experience that I deemed as a lifeless mechanical state is, in fact, the good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration? I am not sure what to say here. This simply can't be true. When I presented everything in my writing to you and asked you if I could have good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration in my life even while depressed and anhedonic, you said that I could.

This would mean that it would be something that I would personally view as good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration. Therefore, if it is something that I personally deem as being those things, then it has to be either a more profound good mood in the form of my intellect alone or a whole new experience that transcends our good moods that I would deem as being those things just mentioned.

Please take note that I am still personality type #1 and will always remain personality type #1. So my question to you here is that is this something that personality type #1 would deem as being those things? Or can this only be achieved from the perspective of personality type #2? If it is something that personality type #1 would deem as those things, then excellent. Perhaps I can find good meaning in my life after all. But if this is something that only personality type #2 can achieve, then we have a serious problem here.

I am assuming here that personality type #2s are Buddhists. Now imagine if I went up to Buddhists and tried to convert them over to personality type #1. There is just simply no way that can happen. This is because they value their personality. Their personality is something very important. You can't change a person's personality. That is who they are. It is plain nonsense to think so.

Imagine from there if I went up to a famous intelligent personality type #2 genius and tried to convert him/her over to personality type #1. Not only would that be utterly insulting, but there is just no way that can happen. So in a way, I am also my own genius as well. I am a personality type #1 genius. I am an epic composer and wish to compose epic transcending masterpieces. I am able to create such pieces in my mind, but have yet to learn the music theory neccessary to actually produce them here in reality.

So don't disgrace such a genius as me either. Expecting me to be personality type #2 is incompatible with me and my composing dream since here I would be composing these transcending and epic high masterpieces, but being in a settled down and content intellectual mental state. Personality type #1 is something I need and is how I find my own inspiration and good meaning in composing. Don't expect me to be a different composer since that is not who I am.

We have two different types of composers. We have the types who are manic and compose awesome high epic masterpieces. These are personality type #1 composers who find their own inspiration and good meaning through their personality type. But then we have the settled down intellectual and even depressed composers. They are personality type #2 composers.

They might even compose different masterpieces than personality type #1 composers. They might compose settled down intellectual or even depressed/somber compositions. These personality type #2 composers find good meaning and inspiration through their personality type. But imagine how insulting and disgracing it would be if I were to go up to either one of these composers and tried to convert one into the other. That's not who they are. They have found their own genius. Their true inspiration.

One has found his/her genius and true inspiration being manic (experiencing his/her good moods profoundly and intensely) in composing while the other has found his/her true genius and inspiration being in a settled down, content, or even depressed mental state in composing. Therefore, personality type #1 is my own genius. It is my true inspiration and how I find good meaning in my life and composing. Don't take that away from me!

As long as I don't have my good moods due to depression and/or anhedonia, then you can see why I no longer find any good meaning or anything in my life in composing. Composing would now be empty, meaningless, and would no longer matter to me anymore. I could easily say the same for a personality type #2 composer who finds immense meaning being depressed and settled down/content when composing who finds no meaning at all being in a good mood since he/she thinks that is mindless and annoying hedonism.

If this composer were to be in a good mood (especially a high one) all throughout his/her day everyday just like how I have chronic 24/7 anhedonia, then his/her composing and life would also be empty, meaningless, and would no longer matter to him/her anymore. Since he/she can no longer be in the mental state that he/she so values very much which would be his/her depressed and settled down/content mental state, then he/she is expected to be personality type #1 instead since this is now the one and only way he/she can find good meaning and inspiration in composing now. But it was his/her mental state of depression and being settled down/content that was the inspiration and good meaning for him/her in composing.

That was his/her true genius. Him/her being in that mental state was his/her one and only way of finding good meaning and inspiration in composing which he/she can't have anymore. So with the meaningless and devoid lifestyle of personality type #1 that he/she is doomed to live now, he/she would have no choice but to give up on life and composing. He/she can't change over to personality type #1 since it is all empty and meaningless to him/her.

I mean, why convert over to a personality type and a way of life that is meaningless, inferior, and loathsome to you in the first place? Even if I somehow did convert, then who's to say that I would still find my life to have no meaning, joy, inspiration, or happiness? Like I said before, I would rather die (end my life) than to live that of the loathsome personality type #2.

In the beginning I mentioned that it is only our brains that give good or bad meaning to our lives in the first place since it is our brains that perceive meaning and allow us to live in the first place. So they give us the mental state of perceiving meaning in our lives. But many people think that mental state is our way of thinking, attitudes, and personality. But this is false. It is only the mental state of our good moods that give good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration to our lives and goals/dreams.

That, or this new mental state I mentioned earlier which is somehow supposed to be far more profound and greater than our good moods which I don't think even exists and is still nothing more than just a way of thinking (outlook) alone on life. Remember, a mental state that allows me to perceive good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration has to be a mental state I really want and really like.

Therefore, an intellectual (thinking) mental state alone will not cut it at all for me. I can make a clear distinction here between thinking and feeling (our moods). When I am in a good mood and am clear of all thoughts, I can clearly sense here that my life has good meaning, joy, and happiness even without thinking about it at all. So our good moods are a form of those things alone in of themsleves completely independent of our way of thinking.

But when I am in an intellecutal mental state alone without my good moods, I can clearly sense here that my life is devoid and empty even without thinking about it and even while putting all my focus into things. Never once has my life had any of those things without my good moods. Even if I thought my life did have those things without my good moods, then I would only be fooling myself.

Therefore, our way of thinking alone does not give our lives good meaning, love, joy, happiness, or inspiration at all without our good moods. Only our good moods give us those things. Our bad moods are what give our lives bad meaning, suffering, despair, hate, rage, sadness, etc. But our thoughts alone without our good or bad moods only give us thoughts and nothing more.

Therefore, Buddhists and many others are only wasting their time trying to search for this more profound version of happiness that is said to come from being in a content state without our good moods. It doesn't exist. If they think they have it without their good moods, then they are only fooling themselves. They have not payed close attention to their good moods like I have.

If they did, then they would be able to clear their minds, experience their good moods, and clearly sense that their good moods are a form of good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration without giving it any thought. It is no different than how you can have a mind clear of all thoughts, but still realize that physical pain is still painful. Physical pain being painful has nothing to do with your way of thinking. It really is painful alone in of itself.

So in that same sense, pleasure (our good moods) are also a form of good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration. They are the only form of those things we can have in our lives. Thoughts alone cannot give us those things just as how our thoughts alone also cannot give us the experience of physical pain either without our actual experience of physical pain. Thoughts alone are nothing more than intellect. They are nothing more than the "thinking" experience of our brains. They cannot give our lives pain, suffering, despair, joy, happiness, etc.

I will say it here again, why do many animals give up and lose interest when they don't have their good moods and are depressed? Surely if they still had good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration in their lives, they would of still continued with their pursuits and wouldn't of given up on them. Take note that they had no thoughts that their lives are bad.

They have just given up. So without their way of thinking, this means they are living solely by their moods alone. So the fact that their moods either make them give up or continue on in life clearly demonstrates here that it is our moods alone in of themselves that give our lives good or bad meaning.

Since our good moods are what drive our joyful, loving, happy, and inspired acts, tones, and expressions as I've explained earlier, then they just have to be the only source of good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration we can have in our lives. You might say to me that I am relying on something external to give my life meaning which would be my good moods.

But we all rely on something to give our lives good meaning. You rely on the thinking area of your brain to give your life good meaning. Albeit, a fake version of good meaning that you don't even realize. But I rely on a different brain region than you which would be my Nucleus Accumbens as I've explained earlier. This is what give my life actual true good meaning. I have lived my whole entire life with my good moods and did not struggle with depression or anhedonia. But that was back then.

You might say that is not true happiness or good meaning. But it was for me. It has completely fulfilled and satisfied my life. I never grew tired of it and was perfectly fine and happy living my life like that for all those years. But now I don't have that anymore. I need it back. I need not only my good moods back, but also my belief in the afterlife of eternal pleasure as well. I may be typing this out as thought it really means something good to me to share it, but that is only a preference.

I prefer to type it out and share it. I cannot have any good meaning at all without my good moods. I will not stand living my life as nothing more than a preference. Even if someone gave me a cure right now for my depression and anhedonia which would return my good moods fully back to me, I would really take that cure immediately. So that would be nothing more than a preference at that point.

But the moment I derive good moods from this very moment, then that is when this moment would now have immense good meaning to me. The Nucleus Accumbens might be a primitive brain region while the thinking area of our brains is the newer evolved brain region, but sometimes in life, it is the older classical things that have the greater value and worth.

For example, the new Sonic the Hedgehog videogames aren't all that great to many Sonic the Hedgehog fans. It was the old and classical Sonic games that have the far greater meaning to these fans. So our modern pressured moral society is something robotic, dead, and lifeless. Think of all the many people working at offices like zombied out robots. Nothing great about this. This is a very description of our thinking area of our brains alone.

There is nothing great at all about it. It is just dead, lifeless, and bland. But our good moods are like a sacred divine relic buried far beneath humanity that scientits have yet to uncover and reveal to humanity that they are the one and only things that give good meaning to our lives. That they are the true divine happiness, love, joy, inspiration, and good meaning one can have in his/her life.

I mean, do you honestly think here that the moral (thinking) way of life is what gives our lives those actual things? I don't think so! The moral way restricts so many things. It restricts our very nature as pleasure seeking and pain avoiding animals. For example, the morals of many human beings often restrict masturbation and view it as a sin. This isn't true. It's just biology. It is just nature.

Therefore, since that moral view isn't true, then the moral view that restricts our pleasure seeking in search of this so called true version of good meaning, love, joy, inspiration, and happiness, this view is also fake. I can't help but honestly think here that such an unnatural lifestyle imposed upon us as human beings in which we are always expected to be in a settled/content state not pleasure seeking that Buddhists say is the true version of happiness and good meaning is actually not the true version of good meaning and happiness at all.

How we as human beings are hardwired by default is how it should meant to be. Since we are hardwired to be social animals, then we are meant to socialize. For us to live alone with no human contact is an unnatural lifestyle just as much so as living without our pleasure (good moods) as I mentioned earlier.

I mean, without pleasure, we could not have sex and reproduce. We can only feel horny through our good moods since being horny is a good mood. It is a form of pleasure. Nature has made it so as to where it is only through us being horny that results in reproduction. So in that same sense, nature has also made it to where our pleasure (good moods) are the only source of good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration in our lives. This even applies to being in calm, peaceful, and content state. There is the difference between being in a content state and being in a vibrant content state.

It is absolutely neccessary to be in a vibrant content state since the vibrancy is our good moods. It is "life." But if you are content while in a depressed or severely crippled depressed state, then that vibrancy is gone. Your life no longer has any good meaning, love, joy, happiness, or inspiration regardless of how content you are. You are nothing more than just a very settled content lifeless biological machine. Therefore, I don't care what mental state or mode of thought your are in, we always need the vibrancy and surging life force of our good moods.

Pleasure is neccessary for so many things and people including Buddhists don't realize this. They just simply think that if seeking pleasure entails suffering, that pleasure is no longer needed anymore. This is false. Just because something brings suffering doesn't mean that it is not neccessary. It is for that very reason I sell my heart and soul out to pleasure. All my profoundness, greatness, beauty, and everything else solely rests on my pleasure. It is the only thing I got in this life.
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Since everything I said was way too long, then I will post a brief summary here:

I always need a pleasure signal sent to my brain in order to perceive good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration towards my family, goals/dreams, and this life/universe. Thoughts alone without my good moods will not cut it at all for me. Without my good moods, then I could think all that I want that my family and whatnot still mean everything to me and still bring me love, joy, happiness, and inspiration. But this just simply isn't true. I am having nothing more than just an intellectual mental state which is a dead, bland, and lifeless mental state. Almost like being a lifeless intellectual machine.

But the moment the pleasure signal gets sent to my brain and I experience a good mood is the moment everything comes alive to me and has profound beauty, life, powerful surging energy, love, joy, happiness, inspiration, and good meaning. Therefore, it is actually our moods alone that give our lives good or bad meaning. Not our way of thinking that so many people are falsely convinced of. The moral version of good and bad is a thought version of good and bad. If you think that your life has good or bad meaning, then that is supposed to somehow give good or bad meaning to your life.

However, there is a hidden unknown version of good and bad which is the feeling/emotional non-moral (mood) version of good and bad that is completely independent of our way of thinking. If you are in a good mood, then your life has good meaning regardless of what you think otherwise. Same thing applies for being in a bad mood. This mood version of good and bad is the new version of good and bad. It is the only thing that gives good and bad meaning to our lives. It is a new version of good and bad that scientists have yet to discover.

We see what happens with animals in the lab. The moment they get the pleasure signal and experience a good mood, they gain interest in their goals, activities, and mates. But when they are depressed and/or anhedonic in which they no longer have their good moods, they lose interest and give up on their goals, mates, and pursuits. Therefore, this clearly says here that the moment they got the pleasure signal is the moment these animals perceived good meaning. But the moment they lost that signal is the moment where their lives became meaningless.

Therefore, this same concept also applies to us as human beings even though we are currently fooling and deluding ourselves into thinking that our lives can still have good or bad meaning regardless of what mood we are in. We live in a pressured moral society that blinds and pressures us from who we really are--pleasure seeking and pain avoiding animals. It is an unnatural lifestyle imposed upon us that has us all fooled into thinking that this unnatural lifestyle that restricts pleasure seeking has good meaning. We are just making wiser choices and whatnot. But that is not us having good meaning in our lives without our good moods.
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