Post more mistakes, Forgy!
You are obviously someone who is not too bright, nor too well educated. I'll respond to you when you write something worth responding to. If I want to get into a "debate" with a five-year-old, I'll let you know. In the mean time, people can read for themselves and see I am right, and you are still in diapers when it comes to intellectual challenges.mickthinks wrote:Anyone may read my beginning comments and see that I repeatedly referred only to those religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue.
So did I, but you can't see it. That is your mistake, dude. And you've tried to prove something about 'religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue' using data drawn solely from Christian fundamentalists. That is another mistake.
again you can only be the enemies of truth if truth exists, as it doesn't, they are not the enemies of anything.ForgedinHell wrote: "The only ones who think it exists"? That's an odd claim. The fact is that religious people who believe faith is a virtue have no concern for the truth. There is a saying, "To the extent faith is possible, it is irrational. To the extent faith is rational, it is impossible." Faith requires that reason take a hike. Once a person abandons their reason, then they have shown a blatant disregard for the truth.
The truth doesn't exist? It figures you would be one of the few here who earned a degree in philosophy. That's what you were taught? So, if a man rapes a woman, are we to let him go under the premise that "the truth does not exist"? Are we to now teach children that in a base-ten system, 2 + 2 no longer equals 4, because "the truth doesn't exist"? I am so thankful that I did not waste my life earning a degree in philosophy. I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time than to spend years of so-called higher study, only to emerge as a dimwit who believes there is no such thing as truth.Grendel wrote:again you can only be the enemies of truth if truth exists, as it doesn't, they are not the enemies of anything.ForgedinHell wrote: "The only ones who think it exists"? That's an odd claim. The fact is that religious people who believe faith is a virtue have no concern for the truth. There is a saying, "To the extent faith is possible, it is irrational. To the extent faith is rational, it is impossible." Faith requires that reason take a hike. Once a person abandons their reason, then they have shown a blatant disregard for the truth.
Grendel wrote: I agree evolution should be banned in the USA and creationism taught to children as fact. It is a unique cultural heritage of the USA and needs protecting. This view has been lost in the rest of the world and the US is the last place it exists. Just as we protect all native people's traditions around the world, we need to preserve this one too. Maybe the UN could designate the USA a Creationism Reserve, give some funding to help protect it and there could cultural tourism trips to the US similar to the ones to the Brazilian rainforest or Asian Hill Tribe villages.
mickthinks wrote:Anyone may read my beginning comments and see that I repeatedly referred only to those religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue.
So did I, but you can't see it. That is your mistake, dude. And you've tried to prove something about 'religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue' using data drawn solely from Christian fundamentalists. That is another mistake.
Much of science has to employ some measure of faith to proceed.mickthinks wrote:Can you name a faith that is not a 'religion that states faith is a virtue' (or vice versa)?
... it's really not my fault that you never learned how to read
lol How far up your own arse are you going to climb before you realise you look like a banana?
Grendel, you are once again proving exactly why philosophy is such a worthless subject. You conceded my point, that in a base-ten system 2 plus 2 equals 4. To refute my statement, you would have had to prove it was not true. Instead, you come up with a different statement, and say because that statement is different that somehow truth doesn't exist, while still admitting that 2 plus 2 is a true statement, AND that the other statement you gave was also true. The two statements, since they deal with different vector spaces do not contradict each other, so if that is what you were trying to do, you failed miserably.Grendel wrote:As you say 2 + 2 = 4 in a decimal system but 10 in a base 4 system. It takes a special kind of idiot to disprove his own arguments in proof that he was using to support them in the first place. Almost as bigger idiot as someone who comes to a philosophy forum to talk crap because his lack of understanding of philosophy is second only to that of his complete scientific ignorance.
And, once again, Chaz, with his masters in intellectual history, which is really a philosophy degree for schools that cannot afford a masters program in the subject, comes here and proves that not only do people with four-year degrees in the subject, people like Grendel, have no thinking skills, but neither do people who obtain even higher degrees. Your bigotry against America stinks of stupidity.chaz wyman wrote:Grendel wrote: I agree evolution should be banned in the USA and creationism taught to children as fact. It is a unique cultural heritage of the USA and needs protecting. This view has been lost in the rest of the world and the US is the last place it exists. Just as we protect all native people's traditions around the world, we need to preserve this one too. Maybe the UN could designate the USA a Creationism Reserve, give some funding to help protect it and there could cultural tourism trips to the US similar to the ones to the Brazilian rainforest or Asian Hill Tribe villages.
Excellent suggestion! That would be no more than the US deserves. The trouble would start when it tried to spread its poison to other countries.
As long as this UN status could be protected by an injunction not to spread this 'cultural heritage' to other parts of the world.
I actually don't stop there. I include the superstitions of Marxism, for example.chaz wyman wrote:mickthinks wrote:Anyone may read my beginning comments and see that I repeatedly referred only to those religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue.
So did I, but you can't see it. That is your mistake, dude. And you've tried to prove something about 'religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue' using data drawn solely from Christian fundamentalists. That is another mistake.
Why stop at religion? Why not any ideology, creed, or institution that demands that faith has a place.
This is another dopey idea that is taught in the humanities, and really doesn't measure up. Scientists may make assumptions, like mathematicians do. Like, for example, two straight lines in a plane with the same slope will not intersect. It's hard to consider that in the same category of faith as Jesus raised zombies. Furthermore, if the assumptions were false, then the rest of the science and math would crumble, yet, science and math has been moving along quite well. The success of science and math is a validation that the assumptions are indeed correct and we are not speaking of faith. If the assumptions prove wrong, as has happened when mathematicians tried Euclidean geometry beyond a eucluidean space, then the errors stick out like a sore thumb, and the math is refined. The assumptions are, therefore, akin to the hypothesis that is made at the beginning of a science experiment. To equate what scientists and mathematicians do to the faithful who hold up snakes and pray for the murder of all Jews, gays, and Americans, is a sure sign that someone has lost all grasp of reality.chaz wyman wrote:Much of science has to employ some measure of faith to proceed.mickthinks wrote:Can you name a faith that is not a 'religion that states faith is a virtue' (or vice versa)?
... it's really not my fault that you never learned how to read
lol How far up your own arse are you going to climb before you realise you look like a banana?
Scientists have to have faith in their instruments. No scientists can know all the workings of their machines and tend to rely on trusting them, and of course, having faith in the many theories upon which the next experiment relies.
And the faith based assumption that "JEW" is a valid racial category in a world where "race" is not a natural category in any sense.ForgedinHell wrote:I actually don't stop there. I include the superstitions of Marxism, for example.chaz wyman wrote:mickthinks wrote:Anyone may read my beginning comments and see that I repeatedly referred only to those religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue.
So did I, but you can't see it. That is your mistake, dude. And you've tried to prove something about 'religions that make the claim that faith is a virtue' using data drawn solely from Christian fundamentalists. That is another mistake.
Why stop at religion? Why not any ideology, creed, or institution that demands that faith has a place.
Chaz, you yourself claimed to be a Jew, and an atheist. What happened? Forgot about that?chaz wyman wrote:
And the faith based assumption that "JEW" is a valid racial category in a world where "race" is not a natural category in any sense.
