Christianity and the Holocaust

[ForgedinHell]

Christianity has its roots in paganism. It's largely based on astrology and other bull crap, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism.

You are an idiot.

Typical Christian, calling people names when you get caught telling BS. Name a single alleged miracle by the mighty bastard demi-god named jesus that wasn't attributed to some prior pagan god? Just one.

[ForgedinHell]

I didn't say he saw how foolish man would be. The only thing you've proved is how short sighted, narrow minded (and ineptly sourced) you in fact are.

Let's summarize then: I quoted directly from Christian holy writ. The holy writ I quoted from is clearly anti-semitic, and idiotic. Literally, the words state that Jews are evil and deserve to be persecuted for killing Christ. That is without any exaggeration on my part. I asked you if you stand by those writings, and you did not deny that you do. One of the ironies is that at least one of the writings is a well-documented forgery, so Christians could easily delete the remark that Jews are hostile to all men, etc., based on a view towards honesty, if nothing else. But they don't. And neither do you.

And you wonder why it is that Christianity paved the way for Hitler to take the nation with the highest percentage of Christians in it and engage in the mass murder of Jews?

As long as Christians teach hate for Jews, I'm teaching hate for Christians. That's fair isn't it?

Holy writ? Are you some kind of blood sucking lawyer...please say ya aint. You do realise these are words of entities named 'man' dont you. You still dont get me do you. I am a believer in the word of CHRIST, period. You shouldnt get lost in written doctrine...too many around here have\are...it truly is very naive.
Of the flesh? Did you ever read that in the holy writ? Did you ever comprehend the point?

Those writings are what Christians teach people to believe. Christians literally teach people to hate Jews. I have only met one Christian who agreed that the passages should be deleted from Christian holy writ. Just one who was honest enough to see the truth about his religion.
Jesus didn't exist, so what is this christ you claim to believe in?

[attofishpi]

Christianity has its roots in paganism. It's largely based on astrology and other bull crap, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism.

You are an idiot.

Typical Christian, calling people names when you get caught telling BS. Name a single alleged miracle by the mighty bastard demi-god named jesus that wasn't attributed to some prior pagan god? Just one.

You name one Pagan God that performed a miracle that i give a rats ass about...

Who's the man that said eat my flesh, drink my blood and was born in a stable with the animals? The sixth prophet.

All the knowledge of man is here and now for us mere mortals to decipher...lets not get bogged down...please.

[ForgedinHell]

[quote="attofishpi Typical Christian, calling people names when you get caught telling BS. Name a single alleged miracle by the mighty bastard demi-god named jesus that wasn't attributed to some prior pagan god? Just one.[/quote]You name one Pagan God that performed a miracle that i give a rats ass about...

Who's the man that said eat my flesh, drink my blood and was born in a stable with the animals? The sixth prophet.

All the knowledge of man is here and now for us mere mortals to decipher...lets not get bogged down...please.[/quote]

Well, you would believe in Jesus, unless you believe he performed miracles. Yet, not one that he allegedly performed was original. His entire story, dying and being a savior god, had been done before. It's just rehashed paganism.

You worship a guy who never existed. Then, based on his non-existence, you don't dare say anything against Christian writings that promote hatred for Jews. And now you are going on and on about some rubbish about knowing it all? You need medication.

[attofishpi]

Those writings are what Christians teach people to believe. Christians literally teach people to hate Jews. I have only met one Christian who agreed that the passages should be deleted from Christian holy writ. Just one who was honest enough to see the truth about his religion.
Jesus didn't exist, so what is this christ you claim to believe in?

You are American arn't you. Its ok i dont hate you. The Catholic upbringing that i had through school only, not at home, had no mention of Jews or Judaism.
Yep, we used to sing songs and stuff and i loved every minute of that. My favourite song had the line 'And they'll know we are Christians by our love...by our love...yes they'll know we are Christians by our love.'
Fuck me i loved singing that. One day when i was about 10 singing in my class i looked around at all my friends singing too and i thought...boy...one day i'll probably never see any of these bods again...and they were all awesome...kids...ya know...just KIDS SINGING.

NOT ONCE was i taught ANY ANTI-SEMITISM!!

[ForgedinHell]

Those writings are what Christians teach people to believe. Christians literally teach people to hate Jews. I have only met one Christian who agreed that the passages should be deleted from Christian holy writ. Just one who was honest enough to see the truth about his religion.
Jesus didn't exist, so what is this christ you claim to believe in?

You are American arn't you. Its ok i dont hate you. The Catholic upbringing that i had through school only, not at home, had no mention of Jews or Judaism.
Yep, we used to sing songs and stuff and i loved every minute of that. My favourite song had the line 'And they'll know we are Christians by our love...by our love...yes they'll know we are Christians by our love.'
Fuck me i loved singing that. One day when i was about 10 singing in my class i looked around at all my friends singing too and i thought...boy...one day i'll probably never see any of these bods again...and they were all awesome...kids...ya know...just KIDS SINGING.

NOT ONCE was i taught ANY ANTI-SEMITISM!!

Sure you were. It is so ingrained in you, you think it is natural. Any person who was not anti-semitic, without hesitation, would state that those Christian passages were anti-semitic and should be deleted from Christianity. Christians call their holy writ The New Testament, that right there is an insult, when you refer to the Torah as the Old Testament. Christianity has to be anti-semitic. How could it be otherwise? You treach that this bastard demi-god was rejected by the Jews, and boy howdy, are they going to burn in hell for it.

[reasonvemotion]

A question for ForgedinHell.

Do you believe in the scriptures, or any part of the scriptures. Perhaps you believe in the Old Testament and dont accept the New or vice versa. Can you explain why. If you dont believe any of the content can you give me a valid reason for this. I would like to understand your point of view.

[ForgedinHell]

A question for ForgedinHell.

Do you believe in the scriptures, or any part of the scriptures. Perhaps you believe in the Old Testament and dont accept the New or vice versa. Can you explain why. If you dont believe any of the content can you give me a valid reason for this. I would like to understand your point of view.

I don't believe in any of the scriptures. I fail to see how writings that refer to burning bushes that talk, talking snakes, pregnant virgins, and walking dead zombies is a valid source of any information. There is nothing in science to suggest any of these things happened, so the stories are junk. Furthermore, to the extent the writings make claims that cannot be verified, it would be irrational to accept them. The scriptures are pure fiction.

[reasonvemotion]

That would include your rejection of the ten commandments

[ForgedinHell]

That would include your rejection of the ten commandments

Of course I reject the ten commandments as being from a divine source, and even reject the claim that they are all moral commands. The first three or four are in violation of freedom of speech. Bugger that. And they also claim that children may suffer for their acts of their parents, like what, unto the fourth generation. How is that moral? Punishing people for actions that occurred by other people before they were even born. Disgusting. And I get great pleasure in coveting my neighbor's wife.

[reasonvemotion]

I understand and correct me if I am wrong. Jews believe Jesus to be a false Messiah. There are requirements that need to be met by a Messiah, that Jesus did not fulfill. One of those, which is most predominant today is that Jews will be returned to Israel. They occupy Israel today, but what if America fell, it is not unreasonable to suggest this, if you consider the economical state of the country, how could the Jews defend their occupation of Israel. I am not certain of the numbers, but the Palestinian population is huge compared to the number of Jews occupying Israel. This occuption has happened by force and according to the scriptures is premature, as it is written this will not take place until the second coming. I understand you reject the prophesy of the second coming, so you would reject the idea of occupying Israel as premature. What does the Torah say about present day occupation of this country and how will the Torah's Messiah come about.

[reasonvemotion]

I could not find an accurate number for the population of Palestine.

[ForgedinHell]

I understand and correct me if I am wrong. Jews believe Jesus to be a false Messiah. There are requirements that need to be met by a Messiah, that Jesus did not fulfill. One of those, which is most predominant today is that Jews will be returned to Israel. They occupy Israel today, but what if America fell, it is not unreasonable to suggest this, if you consider the economical state of the country, how could the Jews defend their occupation of Israel. I am not certain of the numbers, but the Palestinian population is huge compared to the number of Jews occupying Israel. This occuption has happened by force and according to the scriptures is premature, as it is written this will not take place until the second coming. I understand you reject the prophesy of the second coming, so you would reject the idea of occupying Israel as premature. What does the Torah say about present day occupation of this country and how will the Torah's Messiah come about.

The US isn't much of a friend of Israel, and Israel will do quite fine without the US. It is one of the high-tech nations. It produces a huge number of patents per capita, and much of the US R & D departments are in Israel. Many of the latest technology you think is American, was actually developed in Israel. Israel is becoming allied with China and India. The US supplies Israel's enemies, and then forces Israel to buy US weapons, at the expense of developing its own weapons industries more, and also, often the Israelis are forced to use weapons that are inferior to what they can produce at home. The US also forbids the Jews in israel to defend themselves. Literally hundreds and hundreds of rockets can be fired upon Israel from gaza, and lately Egypt has launched rockets too. Any other nation would go in, clear out the terrorists. But if the Jews do that, then the anti-semites get all alarmed.

There was no Jesus for the Jews to reject, he never lived. The Jesus myth is just a continuation of previous pagan myths, about a demi-god acting in the supernatural realm. The Jews rejected paganism long before then, as well as idol worship, and Jesus is the embodiment of a pagan idol.

The prophecy stuff is crap. The bible wasn't even accurate on past historical events, so it's not predicting anything.

[ForgedinHell]

I could not find an accurate number for the population of Palestine.

Palestine? What the hell is that?

[Kayla]

Christians literally teach people to hate Jews.

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