What's really going on?

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So I takes some drugs and I wake-up walking down the center of the street...








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What's really going on?



Are altered states less real?






Aren't all perceptions altered?






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[Arising_uk]

You taken any drugs?

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Please do not loose the essence or focus of this thread.


I used myself as a metaphor.

Please look again at my original post and try to think philosophically.


What was I really trying to have my readers question within themselves?



Don't get me wrong, you reaction is not wrong. It is right for you.




Thank you for participating in my thread and asking an important question.







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[Arising_uk]

One way of answering your questions is to take drugs oneself and find the answers.

So have you? If not then how will you understand the answers.

One thing about philosophy is that you're expected to have some answers yourself.

So what are your answers to your questions?

Here's mine.

You film makes the usual mistake of those who know not what they talk about when considering a drug -experience. i.e. to portray it as unreal and distorted.

Whats really going on is the chemical reactions in your synapses are altered and so your experience of your senses are altered. What do you think is really going on?

Is it less real? Less real than what?

Your idea that perceptions are 'alterations' reflects your need for an absolute reality that you can have faith in. Its like your need for an absolute truth and your 'way' a replacement for a lost faith.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Well Bill,

In your model I would say that individually, neither the perceptions nor the reality is altered, but would be exactly as they should be, given the drug conduit that was placed in perceptions path. In perception's case, it has an additional element that lends to its reality. And that specifically, it's the perception of universal reality that's altered.

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WOW! That's what I'm talk'in bout!



EXCELLENT post!





Thank you for lending your perceptions.



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[Arising_uk]

They are not 'perceptions'. What do you think a perception is?

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This might clarify that for you.



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[SpheresOfBalance]

They are not 'perceptions'. What do you think a perception is?

What, so you don't like the plural form, yet you us the word "a." Shouldn't you have used: 'What do you think perception is?'

In looking at Bills animated gif, I considered the perception of color, or lack thereof, which is due to the cones on the retina; perception of depth of field, or lack thereof, which while due to stereoscopic vision, despite the 2D screen, I had a sense that it was missing, due to the greyscale's elimination of discernible shadow; the perception of the lack of a definitive object, (delineation); the perception of a seem less, repetitive foreground against a background with a seem, which would be due to heaven knows what, purely the LSD I presume, which of course was responsible for the variance of all the sense signals as understood by the brain after the binding of the chemical with various receptor sites.

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Awesome...


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[Arising_uk]

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This might clarify that for you..

Name something you'd call a perception.

[Arising_uk]

What, so you don't like the plural form, yet you us the word "a." Shouldn't you have used: 'What do you think perception is?'

Could have but I wished him to name something he thought was a perception. Instead he's replied as tho' I asked your question.

In looking at Bills animated gif, I considered the perception of color, or lack thereof, which is due to the cones on the retina; perception of depth of field, or lack thereof, which while due to stereoscopic vision, despite the 2D screen, I had a sense that it was missing, due to the greyscale's elimination of discernible shadow; the perception of the lack of a definitive object, (delineation); the perception of a seem less, repetitive foreground against a background with a seem, which would be due to heaven knows what, purely the LSD I presume, which of course was responsible for the variance of all the sense signals as understood by the brain after the binding of the chemical with various receptor sites.

Never taken any LSD then.

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Perception (from the Latin perceptio, percipio) is the process of attaining awareness or understanding of the environment by organizing and interpreting sensory information



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............................The Necker cube and Rubin vase can be perceived in more than one way.





I hope this helps you to better understand the term perception!






I may also suggest you visit the link I provided and in an above post upon this thread. It will show you the entire wikipedia information available now.





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[Arising_uk]

Give me an example of a perception in your experience.

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