THE OBJECTIVE IS THE GREAT VOID

[popeye1945]

As Nietzsche stated. "When one stares into the void, the void will stare into you." Nietzsche's void is the objective, where the sublime nothingness terrorizes the subjective mind. Our subjective world is a dreamy moving not quite thing, where only the illusion is the grasp of the ring. You live in your own subjective world; a familiar melody played upon you by the objective energies of the earth and cosmos for you and only you. Your thoughts?

[Fairy]

Subjects know nothing. Objects know nothing.

Life and Death are the same, except to say they differ in appearance that’s all.

Death is to be unconscious of the void. Life is to be conscious of the void.

[popeye1945]

Subjects know nothing. Objects know nothing.

Life and Death are the same, except to say they differ in appearance that’s all.

Death is to be unconscious of the void. Life is to be conscious of the void.

Conscious subjects are the only source of meaning and knowledge in the world; there is no other source.
I have no idea what to make of the second statement here; perhaps you would like to expand upon it as a theme.
Life is to be conscious of the physical world as it alters/changes the organism's biology, giving it experiences and thus knowledge relative to the body.

[Eodnhoj7]

As Nietzsche stated. "When one stares into the void, the void will stare into you." Nietzsche's void is the objective, where the sublime nothingness terrorizes the subjective mind. Our subjective world is a dreamy moving not quite thing, where only the illusion is the grasp of the ring. You live in your own subjective world; a familiar melody played upon you by the objective energies of the earth and cosmos for you and only you. Your thoughts?

Excellent topic, post and question imho...such things are rare these days, or at least on this forum.

I always appreciated the dark wisdom of nietzche. But it is not the full picture. He was blinded by being correct and accurate about the state of things...being right was his ultimate failure. His honesty destroyed him for his honesty made him believe in himself...to much...

So....thoughts...

1. Man stares into the void.

2. The void stares back.

3. The man embodies the void.

4. The void stares into itself through man.

5. The void observes void

6. In observing itself it becomes distinct as "the void".

7. The distinction of the void, results in actuality (non-void), for the distinction of the void as void is the negation of the void by distinction of it.

8. The void gave rise to the Divinity of Attention for by attention things are, thus consciousness arises from nothing and is self aware for attention is inseperable from distinction and distinction arises through distinction.

9. This argument is non-linear for there is no linearism in the void.

[Fairy]

Subjects know nothing. Objects know nothing.

Life and Death are the same, except to say they differ in appearance that’s all.

Death is to be unconscious of the void. Life is to be conscious of the void.

Conscious subjects are the only source of meaning and knowledge in the world; there is no other source.
I have no idea what to make of the second statement here; perhaps you would like to expand upon it as a theme.
Life is to be conscious of the physical world as it alters/changes the organism's biology, giving it experiences and thus knowledge relative to the body.

Knowledge is the appearance of something which is actually nothing, therefore knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, meaning, to be conscious of something, is to be aware of being aware, known as Lucidity, which is to be conscious that life is but a dream, which is nothing,all appearing within the infinite mind of God.

Consciousness / Unconsciousness is the same Absolute (empty full) Consciousness.

[popeye1945]

Subjects know nothing. Objects know nothing.

Life and Death are the same, except to say they differ in appearance, that’s all.
Death is to be unconscious of the void. Life is to be conscious of the void.

Yes, to be dead is to be not conscious.

Conscious subjects are the only source of meaning and knowledge in the world; there is no other source.
I have no idea what to make of the second statement here; perhaps you would like to expand upon it as a theme.
Life is to be conscious of the physical world as it alters/changes the organism's biology, giving it experiences and thus knowledge relative to the body.

Knowledge is the appearance of something which is actually nothing, therefore knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, meaning, to be conscious of something, is to be aware of being aware, known as Lucidity, which is to be conscious that life is but a dream, which is nothing,all appearing within the infinite mind of God. Consciousness / Unconsciousness is the same Absolute (empty full) Consciousness.

To be conscious, one's experiences of the body must be understood, which then provides meaning to the individual organism. I am afraid the rest sounds like nonsense. Perhaps you could clarify if you think I am just not getting it.

Oh, you're religious, that really fucks up communication--lol!!

[Fairy]

Yes, to be dead is to be not conscious.

Conscious subjects are the only source of meaning and knowledge in the world; there is no other source.
I have no idea what to make of the second statement here; perhaps you would like to expand upon it as a theme.
Life is to be conscious of the physical world as it alters/changes the organism's biology, giving it experiences and thus knowledge relative to the body.

Knowledge is the appearance of something which is actually nothing, therefore knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, meaning, to be conscious of something, is to be aware of being aware, known as Lucidity, which is to be conscious that life is but a dream, which is nothing,all appearing within the infinite mind of God. Consciousness / Unconsciousness is the same Absolute (empty full) Consciousness.

To be conscious, one's experiences of the body must be understood, which then provides meaning to the individual organism. I am afraid the rest sounds like nonsense. Perhaps you could clarify if you think I am just not getting it.

Oh, you're religious, that really fucks up communication--lol!!

I’m not religious in any way shape or form. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, so be it. Think what you like, obviously, but it won’t matter to me. I’m only attempting to perceive the whole picture from this tiny little pixel here.

I don’t think for one minute you are not getting it. You have admitted you hear only nonsense in my words, but you want to hear sense I’m assuming?
Only you can make sense of what it is you want to make sense of.

I have no argument with anyone, I’m simply sharing my insight how reality appears to me personally.

[Fairy]

Don’t confuse the God concept with man made religious dogma.

That confusion is the shackles that bind, instead of liberate.

Find out what God actually is. Never allow others to tell you what God is.

It’s a personal and private matter.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

“This concern with the basic condition of freedom -- the absence of physical constraint -- is unquestiona­bly necessary, but is not all that is necessary. It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free -- to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national State, or of some private interest within the nation, want him to think, feel and act. There will never be such a thing as a writ of habeas mentem; for no sheriff or jailer can bring an illegally imprisoned mind into court, and no person whose mind had been made captive by the methods outlined in earlier articles would be in a position to complain of his captivity. The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The vic­tim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him, the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

[popeye1945]

You are point centre consciousness, the centre of the universe, a virtual reality is your property and projection as the creator of all measures and
meanings. You wonder with a free imagination, outside this subjective cage of isolation, what lives beyond the rim of the known, is it cold this unknown objective void, a not-quite thing, a sterile wilderness, the pulse of one's heart beats in one's throat. Is this beckoning void the source of an echo of what was never to be? The mind is a magic lantern ever seeking a greater radius to wrap darkness in its knowing light. The darkness, the source of endless fuel or dissolution, only when cold darkness turns to warming light will we find our home.

[Eodnhoj7]

You are point centre consciousness, the centre of the universe, a virtual reality is your property and projection as the creator of all measures and
meanings. You wonder with a free imagination, outside this subjective cage of isolation, what lives beyond the rim of the known, is it cold this unknown objective void, a not-quite thing, a sterile wilderness, the pulse of one's heart beats in one's throat. Is this beckoning void the source of an echo of what was never to be? The mind is a magic lantern ever seeking a greater radius to wrap darkness in its knowing light. The darkness, the source of endless fuel or dissolution, only when cold darkness turns to warming light will we find our home.

A point centered consciousness, by degree of void, observes consciousness existing beyond the human condition.

[popeye1945]

You are point centre consciousness, the centre of the universe, a virtual reality is your property and projection as the creator of all measures and
meanings. You wonder with a free imagination, outside this subjective cage of isolation, what lives beyond the rim of the known, is it cold this unknown objective void, a not-quite thing, a sterile wilderness, the pulse of one's heart beats in one's throat. Is this beckoning void the source of an echo of what was never to be? The mind is a magic lantern ever seeking a greater radius to wrap darkness in its knowing light. The darkness, the source of endless fuel or dissolution, only when cold darkness turns to warming light will we find our home.

A point-centered consciousness, by degree of void, observes consciousness existing beyond the human condition.

I have no idea what that might mean. To be the point of consciousness is to be the centre of your own universe, as every organism is.

[Eodnhoj7]

You are point centre consciousness, the centre of the universe, a virtual reality is your property and projection as the creator of all measures and
meanings. You wonder with a free imagination, outside this subjective cage of isolation, what lives beyond the rim of the known, is it cold this unknown objective void, a not-quite thing, a sterile wilderness, the pulse of one's heart beats in one's throat. Is this beckoning void the source of an echo of what was never to be? The mind is a magic lantern ever seeking a greater radius to wrap darkness in its knowing light. The darkness, the source of endless fuel or dissolution, only when cold darkness turns to warming light will we find our home.

A point-centered consciousness, by degree of void, observes consciousness existing beyond the human condition.

I have no idea what that might mean. To be the point of consciousness is to be the centre of your own universe, as every organism is.

Real simple, void in the relative sense exists through the universe by degree of change. For something to occur something else must be absent. If void is the center of consciousness, and the relative nature of void occurs everywhere by the degree of change of things, existence is everpresent consciousness.

[Impenitent]

As Nietzsche stated. "When one stares into the void, the void will stare into you." Nietzsche's void is the objective, where the sublime nothingness terrorizes the subjective mind. Our subjective world is a dreamy moving not quite thing, where only the illusion is the grasp of the ring. You live in your own subjective world; a familiar melody played upon you by the objective energies of the earth and cosmos for you and only you. Your thoughts?

I am sure that Freddy would have been a huge fan of the Davies brothers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeQSjbCYOX4

eternal recurrence or nothing...

-Imp

[popeye1945]

A point-centered consciousness, by degree of void, observes consciousness existing beyond the human condition.

I have no idea what that might mean. To be the point of consciousness is to be the centre of your own universe, as every organism is.

Real simple, void in the relative sense exists through the universe by degree of change. For something to occur something else must be absent. If void is the center of consciousness, and the relative nature of void occurs everywhere by the degree of change of things, existence is ever-present consciousness.

Please expand on this, give me an idea of what means you have come by this understanding. Are you saying that the degree of change creates the void? How do you come to the idea that the void is the centre of consciousness? I understand you are questing here, but I still find it difficult to follow or make sense of.