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Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 am
by socrattus
Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am" ... Who am I? My stomach is a meat grinder,
my heart is a blood pump, my kidneys are filters, my brain is a computer, etc. Where am I?
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
by Fairy
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:42 am
by socrattus
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Thoughts in the brain computer are mixed with real and abstract topics.
Maybe that is why my life is an illusion (Maya according to Vedanta)
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:20 am
by Age
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 am
Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am" ... Who am I? My stomach is a meat grinder,
my heart is a blood pump, my kidneys are filters, my brain is a computer, etc. Where am I?
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'I' am what some call and refer to as the Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, and the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent One.
Whereas, 'you' human beings are very different.
And, the Correct version is not 'I think', therefore I am. The more Correct and Accurate version is, 'I know, therefore I am'. See, only 'you' human beings think. Whereas, 'I' know.
See, the only real thing that 'I' can know, for sure, or with certainty, are 'the thoughts' existing, within 'this body'. However, and obviously, what 'thoughts' are existing, could be False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect, but since, irrefutably, there 'are thoughts', then there is 'I', an Awareness, or conscious Being, existing, as well.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:28 am
by Age
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Again, 'the thoughts', within 'that body', are believed to be absolutely true, by no one else but 'the one' known as "fairy", here.
Unless, of course, there is 'another one' who would also like to claim that a 'thought' is nothing but 'the addiction' to an 'illusory fabricated narrative'.
Which is obviously blatantly False, and Wrong.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:29 am
by Age
socrattus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:42 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Thoughts in the brain computer are mixed with real and abstract topics.
Maybe that is why my life is an illusion (Maya according to Vedanta)
'Life', Itself, would only be 'an illusion' if 'Life' could not be proved True, Right, Accurate, nor Correct.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:40 am
by socrattus
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:20 am
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 am
Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am" ... Who am I? My stomach is a meat grinder,
my heart is a blood pump, my kidneys are filters, my brain is a computer, etc. Where am I?
---
'I' am what some call and refer to as the Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, and the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent One.
Whereas, 'you' human beings are very different.
And, the Correct version is not 'I think', therefore I am. The more Correct and Accurate version is, 'I know, therefore I am'. See, only 'you' human beings think. Whereas, 'I' know.
See, the only real thing that 'I' can know, for sure, or with certainty, are 'the thoughts' existing, within 'this body'. However, and obviously, what 'thoughts' are existing, could be False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect, but since, irrefutably, there 'are thoughts', then there is 'I', an Awareness, or conscious Being, existing, as well.
There is another answer:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.
They do not know My transcendental nature
and My supreme dominion over all that be.
/ Bhagavad Gita, chapter 9, text 11 /
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:48 am
by socrattus
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:29 am
socrattus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:42 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Thoughts in the brain computer are mixed with real and abstract topics.
Maybe that is why my life is an illusion (Maya according to Vedanta)
'Life', Itself, would only be 'an illusion' if 'Life' could not be proved True, Right, Accurate, nor Correct.
Life is full of illusions: ordinary, emotional, mathematical, scientific
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:16 pm
by Age
socrattus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:40 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:20 am
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 am
Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am" ... Who am I? My stomach is a meat grinder,
my heart is a blood pump, my kidneys are filters, my brain is a computer, etc. Where am I?
---
'I' am what some call and refer to as the Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, and the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent One.
Whereas, 'you' human beings are very different.
And, the Correct version is not 'I think', therefore I am. The more Correct and Accurate version is, 'I know, therefore I am'. See, only 'you' human beings think. Whereas, 'I' know.
See, the only real thing that 'I' can know, for sure, or with certainty, are 'the thoughts' existing, within 'this body'. However, and obviously, what 'thoughts' are existing, could be False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect, but since, irrefutably, there 'are thoughts', then there is 'I', an Awareness, or conscious Being, existing, as well.
There is another answer:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.
They do not know My transcendental nature
and My supreme dominion over all that be.
/ Bhagavad Gita, chapter 9, text 11 /
How is this 'another' answer? Is there an actual difference between the 'two answers'?
If yes, then how, exactly?
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:18 pm
by Age
socrattus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:48 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:29 am
socrattus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:42 am
Thoughts in the brain computer are mixed with real and abstract topics.
Maybe that is why my life is an illusion (Maya according to Vedanta)
'Life', Itself, would only be 'an illusion' if 'Life' could not be proved True, Right, Accurate, nor Correct.
Life is full of illusions: ordinary, emotional, mathematical, scientific
Different sorts of 'illusions' may well exist in Life, or the Universe, Itself, and exist in many forms, and to many different brains. However, and obviously, 'Life', Itself, is not 'an illusion'. As 'Life' is an already irrefutably proved Thing.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:55 pm
by mickthinks
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 amWhere am I?
It’s a mildly interesting question, but it would be a mistake to imagine it has anything to do with Descartes and his famous dictum, I think.
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:06 pm
by Impenitent
mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:55 pm
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 amWhere am I?
It’s a mildly interesting question, but it would be a mistake to imagine it has anything to do with Descartes and his famous dictum, I think.
not if you were a brain in a vat
-Imp
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:44 pm
by Age
Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:06 pm
mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:55 pm
socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:35 amWhere am I?
It’s a mildly interesting question, but it would be a mistake to imagine it has anything to do with Descartes and his famous dictum, I think.
not if you were a brain in a vat
-Imp
What about if you are a brain, or the thoughts, within a human body?
Would it still not be a mildly interesting question?
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:27 pm
by socrattus
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:18 pm
As 'Life' is an already irrefutably proved Thing.
What is the source of this irrefutably proven essence of Life?
Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:08 pm
by Fairy
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:28 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am
You’re a thought.
What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Again, 'the thoughts', within 'that body', are believed to be absolutely true, by no one else but 'the one' known as "fairy", here.
Unless, of course, there is 'another one' who would also like to claim that a 'thought' is nothing but 'the addiction' to an 'illusory fabricated narrative'.
Which is obviously blatantly False, and Wrong.
Again, communication with you is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.