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Will another world war ever go nuclear.

Or will nuclear weapons serve mainly as a deterrent to keep humans from totally obliterating and annihilating themselves.

No government will ever authorize the first-use of nuclear weapons. It's only when the government is assured of the utter destruction of the country it governs that it will authorize use of nuclear weapons.

The statement above suggests nukes will only be deployed for actual use when the human mind goes mad max. And in that worse case scenario, are humans even deserving of this planet anymore? No other animal on earth is plotting to destroy the planet they inhabit. Only humans are dumb, not animals.

Israel want regime change in Iran, that’s clear enough. Israel started this latest escalation, not Iran.

Benjamin Netanyahu knew attacking Iran would result in Israel’s civilian population being the first casualties to be caught up in the conflict. Ergo, he doesn’t care about protecting his country which just happens to contain civilian lives. Lives are lost not countries.

So what happens now, will Islam and the West ever align and become peacefully connected by mutual consenting to the same values beliefs, and ideology, or will they continue to oppose each other, until death do they ALL part?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHqs8SffDo

Ray Davies said it best

“I don’t feel safe in this world no more,
I don’t wanna die in a nuclear war,
I wanna sail away to a distant shore…
and make like an ape man!”

-Imp

Imp

You can realise God and then still live like an animal, but you still realised God. You are just also an untrained animal.

Retraining orders are a necessity for world peace and harmony, not unlike all successful relationships, especially marriage, the realisation that although separate, the two is actually one.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:14 am Israel want regime change in Iran, that’s clear enough. Israel started this latest escalation, not Iran.

Benjamin Netanyahu knew attacking Iran would result in Israel’s civilian population being the first casualties to be caught up in the conflict. Ergo, he doesn’t care about protecting his country which just happens to contain civilian lives. Lives are lost not countries.

I think that Iran perfectly well knows what to do and how to do it (missiles, drones, ...):

Gemini: Israel power plants

Orot Rabin: A 2,590 MW thermal power plant in Haifa.
Rutenberg: A 2,250 MW thermal power plant in Ashkelon.
Hagit: A 1,371 MW combined cycle plant.
Eshkol: A 1,693 MW power station.
Gezer: A 1,336 MW power plant.
Ramat Hovav: A 1,137 MW power plant.

Gemini: Israel desalination plants

How many desalination plants are there in Israel? Hadera, Sorek, Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Palmachim are the five desalination plants in Israel that produce fresh water for its people. Sorek II or Sorek B is a successor project of the original Sorek desalination project.

Now it is just a question of doing it.

Alright place your bets. The world's first low-yield nuclear bomb is about to be dropped on somebody. Now who's gonna do it.

1. U S of A.
2. Zee Raashins
3. The A rabs
4. The joos
5. The alien overlords

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:05 am Alright place your bets. The world's first low-yield nuclear bomb is about to be dropped on somebody. Now who's gonna do it.

1. U S of A.
2. Zee Raashins
3. The A rabs
4. The joos
5. The alien overlords

It doesn't matter all that much who gets bombed. If it's dropped a thousand miles from where any one of us is, it'll still detrimentally affect all of the survivors in this world in some way shape, or form. It's certainly not going to improve life for anyone.

No, it won't, man, don't believe the fear mongering. Go google how many BIG bombs have been dropped already for tests... and we're no more fucked up now than we already were gonna be. Little radiation duddint hurt anyone. May even cause beneficial genetic mutations.

(Somebody's been playing Fallout 76 too much, eh?)

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:30 am No, it won't, man, don't believe the fear mongering. Go google how many BIG bombs have been dropped already for tests... and we're no more fucked up now than we already were gonna be. Little radiation duddint hurt anyone. May even cause beneficial genetic mutations.

(Somebody's been playing Fallout 76 too much, eh?)

I don't know. Maybe that's why cancer is so prevalent in modern society. In any case, it can't be a good thing. And with thousands of nuclear warheads in the world, can we really expect only one to drop? Or that there won't be retaliation somewhere down the road, if not immediately?

There’s only two options for humanity. War or Peace.

Islam desire to takeover the entire world. The West desire to takeover the entire world.

What could possibly go right?

That’s right folks.

Endgame. One cannot serve two masters. God warned you about that.

Even a child knew this.

Relax. Mankind will never destroy itself because it's too clever and crafty. There may be a breakdown in law and order and bombs dropping everywhere, but that'll just reduce the population at worst.

Here's the thing... but you won't comprehende unless you are a historical materialist. The entire history and every possible future of/for the human species is gonna involve some kind of class warfare and battle over property rights. That's all it can be about and all it ever was about.

During this endless conflict, there is a failsafe that keeps the ball rolling and doesn't allow the wealthy to destroy the world or the wage worker because the wealthy can't survive without em. There's a master/slave union where each depends on the other. That's why you can't fuck with the people too hard. Without them, the wheels stop turning. In turn, the people can't fuck with the wealthy too hard because without them they'd have to spontaneously organize and rearrange everything, how everything is done. And we all know how that would turn out. It's easier to just take the $17.50 per hour and live with it. Your friends do, so why not. It's just what you do. Don't rock the fuckin boat man.

I don't think Klaatu ever went to Iran...

-Imp

Endgame meaning the beginning of a new game for those who do the work of ascension . ( The transcendence of ego )

It is possible for one to pass through the inner “I” into the innermost “I Am”. In the Far East such profound experience is called ‘Samadhi” or “Nirvana’, and in Western religion a oneness with the Godhead.

It means to expand our vision beyond our finite egos alone to become merged with a purpose greater than ourselves great enough to live for and die for.

One cannot serve two masters. Love and Truth always wins.


God is a universal Self.

Self is a universe within.


Blessed be the fruit. Under his eye.

https://youtu.be/CpAp27wd7cs?si=-5y64iAJ8_ZMX0xC

Imperialists don’t attack nuclear armed countries.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:12 pm I don't think Klaatu ever went to Iran...

-Imp

Iran is currently showing quite a bit of self-restraint. Maybe a bit too much to my own taste. Israeli airplanes are still able to take off and land.

I would not allow that any longer.

If you use ballistic missiles to carpet bomb an air base with cluster munitions, you do not just destroy it, but you also thoroughly contaminate it with unexploded ordinance, effectively covering it in landmines. It takes 6 months to two years to clean up the resulting mess.

Iran is clearly capable of doing that. So, why don't they just do it? I would have done it already.

* **Tel Nof Airbase** (Central Israel - Major base for F-15s, transport, helicopters, special forces)

* **Hatzerim Airbase** (Near Be'er Sheva - Home to the IAF flight academy and museum, also houses F-16 squadrons)

* **Ramat David Airbase** (Northern Israel - Major base for F-16s)

* **Hatzor Airbase** (Central Israel - Base for F-16s)

* **Nevatim Airbase** (Near Be'er Sheva - Major strategic airlift base, home to F-35s)

* **Palmachim Airbase** (Central coast - Primary base for missile testing, satellites, and maritime patrol aircraft)

* **Ovda Airbase** (Southern Israel - International airport shared with military, used for training)

* **Sde Dov Airbase** (Historically in Tel Aviv - Closed in 2019, operations moved elsewhere)

* **Haifa Airbase** (Naval helicopters and patrol aircraft)

* **Ramon Airbase** (Southern Israel - Newer base, home to F-16s, replacing some functions of Etzion)

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:14 am Will another world war ever go nuclear.

Or will nuclear weapons serve mainly as a deterrent to keep humans from totally obliterating and annihilating themselves.

So, in the days when this is written, human beings thought is was smart or intelligent to use obliterating and annihilating weapons, as the 'main deterrent' to keep "themselves" from totally obliterating and annihilating "themselves".

Besides the obvious Fact that a species could never ever be 'less intelligent', and thus be 'more stupid', one could have easily imagined that just 'using intelligence', itself, would be a much smarter, or more intelligent, way of NOT obliterating and annihilating "one's" 'self'.

But, as a species that holds 'an ability' to become Truly Intelligent 'stupid mistakes', along the way, are not to be unexpected.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:14 am

No government will ever authorize the first-use of nuclear weapons. It's only when the government is assured of the utter destruction of the country it governs that it will authorize use of nuclear weapons.

The statement above suggests nukes will only be deployed for actual use when the human mind goes mad max. And in that worse case scenario, are humans even deserving of this planet anymore? No other animal on earth is plotting to destroy the planet they inhabit. Only humans are dumb, not animals.

No species is 'deserving' on 'the planet', from which they came.

Also, is it possible for the 'utter destruction' of a country without nuclear weapons?

If yes, then how is 'this' possible?

But, if no, then there will never ever be the 'first-use' of nuclear weapons. That is, if the above quote is ever to be true, and accepted.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:14 am Israel want regime change in Iran, that’s clear enough. Israel started this latest escalation, not Iran.

Benjamin Netanyahu knew attacking Iran would result in Israel’s civilian population being the first casualties to be caught up in the conflict. Ergo, he doesn’t care about protecting his country which just happens to contain civilian lives. Lives are lost not countries.

It could be said and argued that "benjamin netanyahu" likes civilians of "israel" being captured, held hostage, and/or killed, because then it has given 'itself" a perceived 'justification' for further attacks and for the killing and slaughtering of those that it obviously do not like.

Some do wonder how a relatively very few human beings flew 'make shift planes' very simply and easily into an area were even rockets and bombs can not penetrate?

Also, it could seem like when 'others' are not 'trying to' bomb the area known as "israel", which is relatively extremely shielded, then it is "israel" that first attacks 'the others', to provoke 'revenge attacks'.

But, then again, obviously, others 'see' things completely differently.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:14 am So what happens now, will Islam and the West ever align and become peacefully connected by mutual consenting to the same values beliefs, and ideology, or will they continue to oppose each other, until death do they ALL part?

Every one comes together, peacefully.

However, they obviously did not 'mutually consent' to the 'same beliefs'. Although they obviously had to just naturally be aligned with the 'exact same values', and with the 'exact same One belief and ideology' only.