You do not own anything

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godelian
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You do not own anything

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_for ... ted_States

In the United States, civil forfeiture (also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture) is a process in which law enforcement officers take assets from people who are suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing. While civil procedure, as opposed to criminal procedure, generally involves a dispute between two private citizens, civil forfeiture involves a dispute between law enforcement and property such as a pile of cash or a house or a boat, such that the thing is suspected of being involved in a crime. To get back the seized property, owners must prove it was not involved in criminal activity.
The US government has $37 trillion dollars in debt.

It is obvious how they are going to find the money to pay for that.

They will simply suspect you of whatever wrongdoing, seize your property, while you will not be able to "prove" that you are not involved in any of what you have been accused of.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xzdxk53no

Salvadoran national Kilmar Ábrego García was deported to Central America from Maryland after he was accused of being a member of the banned MS-13 gang.
Kilmar cannot "prove" that he is not a member of the MS-13 gang. How is he supposed to do that anyway?

These western governments are desperate for money and they will use exactly the same approach to extract money from anybody or anything that they can lay their hands on. You'd better get out of the West before it is too late. I have already moved permanently to SE Asia and I am watching the shit show from there. It is amazing. Where is the popcorn?
Martin Peter Clarke
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Ownership: This foundation has been on the radar of moral psychologists for a long time, and yet it remains one of the least studied constructs in this literature. In 2013, we maintained the importance of ownership as an additional foundation.Ownership intuitions are “fast” and it is ubiquitous in human societies. Human intuitions about ownership have obvious parallels in other animals, and respect for property is an evolutionarily stable strategy. In 2023, we argued that Ownership may meet the entire set of criteria to be an additional foundation (Atari & Haidt, 2023).
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