Heaven and Hell
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:36 am
Most religions make some distinction between right and wrong expressed in the consequences of Heaven and Hell. But why?
The reason many are particular about right and wrong is biological. We are potentially the most powerful life support system possible. Thus, by nature, we are concerned with, on some level, doing our own work recognizing this as a major factor in our behavior. So, Morals, Ethics, Religion are related to our job of learning to survive. Not a mystery. Religion and Science have the same foundation. Religion uses more of geometric reasoning, which is also called metaphor, while Science is heavy into arithmetic, or literal. Only the illiterate claim that one excludes the other when in fact, every thing in all of creation, is defined by both. A thing is some relative within correlatives.
Anyway, The JCS, in the work called Book, for short, or again, Bible; repeatedly tells the reader that mankind cannot distinguish between right and wrong. Plato, never having even read the Book being Greek and all, told people the exact same thing, they cannot distinguish good from evil, and he actually proved it, history has proved it. The Republic of Plato, is actually introduced in Hippias Minor. The lesson was on correlatives, for example, -0 and 1. For example, a stupid person cannot actually willfully do either. The more knowledge one has, means that one can do more things right, but also do them wrong if they so choose. Thus, only the wise man can create both the good and the evil. This actually has its counter part in the Bible, in Isaiah, I the Lord create all the Good and all the Evil, I the Lord do all these things. Now, Socrates tries to get Hippias to understand it, to no avail. However, the idea is the foundation of The Republic. We are reminded of some of the arguments in Hippias, but then we move on to application. This evolves when two brothers, challenge Socrates to show justice in its pure form by putting the best of people in the worst of circumstances such as to fool both gods and men. And these two brothers described it in great detail. This is what the Republic, by textual statement was to be done. Put the best of women and men in hell so that neither man or gods could tell.
In Book 10, one finds the recantation, putting things right, and Socrates in the Jowett version actually calls his Republic, a tale of Horror. Yet down through history, even when plainly stated, mankind claims that Plato created a Utopia, heaven on earth.
That is why I have maintained for a long time, that our educators are illiterate. I have even called one of them that to their face for teaching that the Republic was Plato's Utopia. After all she had a PHd in philosophy.
As philosophers claim to be Platonic philosophers, and then teach rubbish, I sometimes do not let it pass. Stupid teaches are a contributing factor to the greatest STD in history, stupidity.
So, Plato's story of Heaven and Hell, is quite remarkable, and demonstrated quite well throughout the past 2400 years. So, you want to talk about Plato's Utopia? I will be busy cleaning my nose. I have the same response to people who claim that there is a war between religion and science or that one religion is better than another. We have two types of identity use to modify our behavior, fucking grow up.
The reason many are particular about right and wrong is biological. We are potentially the most powerful life support system possible. Thus, by nature, we are concerned with, on some level, doing our own work recognizing this as a major factor in our behavior. So, Morals, Ethics, Religion are related to our job of learning to survive. Not a mystery. Religion and Science have the same foundation. Religion uses more of geometric reasoning, which is also called metaphor, while Science is heavy into arithmetic, or literal. Only the illiterate claim that one excludes the other when in fact, every thing in all of creation, is defined by both. A thing is some relative within correlatives.
Anyway, The JCS, in the work called Book, for short, or again, Bible; repeatedly tells the reader that mankind cannot distinguish between right and wrong. Plato, never having even read the Book being Greek and all, told people the exact same thing, they cannot distinguish good from evil, and he actually proved it, history has proved it. The Republic of Plato, is actually introduced in Hippias Minor. The lesson was on correlatives, for example, -0 and 1. For example, a stupid person cannot actually willfully do either. The more knowledge one has, means that one can do more things right, but also do them wrong if they so choose. Thus, only the wise man can create both the good and the evil. This actually has its counter part in the Bible, in Isaiah, I the Lord create all the Good and all the Evil, I the Lord do all these things. Now, Socrates tries to get Hippias to understand it, to no avail. However, the idea is the foundation of The Republic. We are reminded of some of the arguments in Hippias, but then we move on to application. This evolves when two brothers, challenge Socrates to show justice in its pure form by putting the best of people in the worst of circumstances such as to fool both gods and men. And these two brothers described it in great detail. This is what the Republic, by textual statement was to be done. Put the best of women and men in hell so that neither man or gods could tell.
In Book 10, one finds the recantation, putting things right, and Socrates in the Jowett version actually calls his Republic, a tale of Horror. Yet down through history, even when plainly stated, mankind claims that Plato created a Utopia, heaven on earth.
That is why I have maintained for a long time, that our educators are illiterate. I have even called one of them that to their face for teaching that the Republic was Plato's Utopia. After all she had a PHd in philosophy.
As philosophers claim to be Platonic philosophers, and then teach rubbish, I sometimes do not let it pass. Stupid teaches are a contributing factor to the greatest STD in history, stupidity.
So, Plato's story of Heaven and Hell, is quite remarkable, and demonstrated quite well throughout the past 2400 years. So, you want to talk about Plato's Utopia? I will be busy cleaning my nose. I have the same response to people who claim that there is a war between religion and science or that one religion is better than another. We have two types of identity use to modify our behavior, fucking grow up.