Instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, blame the banks

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Instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, blame the banks

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ChatGPT: When population declines, housing prices tend to drop to zero in marginal areas. Properties are a very important security protecting existing loans from nonperformance. Therefore, the banking industry may lobby for increased immigration.

Yes, the banking industry has strong incentives to support policies that sustain or increase housing demand, including immigration. Here’s how these factors connect:

1. Housing as Loan Collateral

Banks issue mortgages with the expectation that properties serve as reliable collateral.
If housing prices collapse due to depopulation, the value of this collateral declines, increasing the risk of loan defaults and financial instability.

2. Population Decline & Housing Depreciation

When fewer people live in an area, demand for housing drops, leading to price declines.
In extreme cases (e.g., Detroit or rural Japan), properties become nearly worthless, and abandoned homes create further negative economic spillovers.

3. Banking Industry’s Interest in Housing Stability

Banks benefit from stable or rising property values, which protect their mortgage portfolios.
High immigration can help offset population decline, ensuring a steady demand for housing and supporting property prices.
Without an influx of new residents, marginal areas risk turning into economic dead zones, leading to widespread loan nonperformance.

4. Lobbying for Immigration Policies

The financial sector has an interest in policies that sustain population levels, including:

Higher immigration to counteract declining birth rates.
Incentives for homeownership among new residents.
Policies that promote economic activity in struggling regions.

In countries like Canada and Australia, banks and real estate industries actively support immigration policies to maintain housing demand.

Would you like insights into how this plays out in specific countries or historical cases?
So, when the native population in the UK (or the USA) complains about illegal immigrants arriving on dinghies, or climbing over walls, and when these illegal immigrants get housed in five-star hotels, there is a reason for this policy and there is someone behind the scenes who benefits handsomely. Otherwise, it would simply not happen.

Population decline would cause a financial crisis that would eventually destroy the banking industry.

I personally do not like the banks. I think that they are very manipulative scumbags. So, I would not mind their wholesale bankruptcy at all. Furthermore, I would personally benefit handsomely from a situation in which cryptocurrencies replace the existing banking system. Therefore, I am in favor of a (even just temporary) bout of natural population decline. Fundamentally, I do not care about immigration but I absolutely do not want it to be used as a tool to prop up the banking industry.

In my opinion, it is not possible to control immigration properly or reduce illegal immigration without first taking on the bankers and removing their greedy fingers from the levers of political power. Unfortunately, people tend to bark up the wrong tree. They simply refuse to point their fingers at the real culprits.
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population decline leads to idle farmers

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Impenitent wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:26 pm population decline leads to idle farmers

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Who fucking cares if farmers have more spare time. Are they not working hard enough for "economists" to make big enough paychecks?
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:47 pm
Impenitent wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:26 pm population decline leads to idle farmers

-Imp
Who fucking cares if farmers have more spare time. Are they not working hard enough for "economists" to make big enough paychecks?
food comes from the grocery store...

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Impenitent wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:02 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:47 pm
Impenitent wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:26 pm population decline leads to idle farmers

-Imp
Who fucking cares if farmers have more spare time. Are they not working hard enough for "economists" to make big enough paychecks?
food comes from the grocery store...

-Imp
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There is a problem with this though. I doubt if any of those faux asylum-seekers/illegal immigrants are in any kind of position to be house buying. Most of the time they don't even work but live off benefits, hence the fact that they seek 'asylum' in countries with the most generous and accessible welfare systems. Also, increased housing availability lowers house values overall. That can't be good for banks.
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accelafine wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:45 pm There is a problem with this though. I doubt if any of those faux asylum-seekers/illegal immigrants are in any kind of position to be house buying. Most of the time they don't even work but live off benefits, hence the fact that they seek 'asylum' in countries with the most generous and accessible welfare systems. Also, increased housing availability lowers house values overall. That can't be good for banks.
Apparently, it still does:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6223000285

Using an instrumental variables strategy, I find that a one percentage point increase in the immigration rate raises average house sale prices by 3.3%.
Illegal immigrants create demand at the bottom of the housing market, forcing other people up the housing ladder, which creates a cascade effect which increases demand in every category of housing. Furthermore, an increase in the demand for housing for rent, creates demand by landlords for them to buy houses to let. These markets are all interconnected.

Concerning welfare benefits, the banks don't pay themselves for the welfare benefits. So, they don't care about the cost of that.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:15 pm
Impenitent wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:02 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:47 pm

Who fucking cares if farmers have more spare time. Are they not working hard enough for "economists" to make big enough paychecks?
food comes from the grocery store...

-Imp
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Farmers depend on non-farmers to consume their products. Don’t let them tell you that it is only the other way around, I.e. that it is only the consumers who are in a state of dependence.
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no corn syrup without corn

Dr. Scholl's said so

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