Framework and System in Practice

[Veritas Aequitas]

The practice of Framework and System [FS] is very prevalent in all fields of Knowledge of Reality, but there are doubters:

You can't find a human to agree with you at all [re FS], that's why you always use AI to agree with you. So .. yes, I am sure.

I have posted evidence many times explaining the prevalence of FS in all fields but often it is lost in a messed up thread; here is a listing from AI for future reference whenever the issue is raised.

Principle:
Whatever is real, true, factual, knowledge is contingent upon a human-based [collective of subjects] Framework and System [FS] of reality, cognition and knowledge; of which the scientific FS is the gold standard.

The notion of frameworks and systems (FS) is prevalent across various disciplines within philosophy, science, sociology, and even linguistics. Here’s a list of areas where such frameworks are commonly applied:

1. Scientific Frameworks
Feynman's Scientific Method: Richard Feynman emphasized the importance of chain-of-reasoning in scientific inquiry, urging scientists to clearly articulate their hypotheses and underlying assumptions.
https://youtu.be/MO0r930Sn_8?t=96

Kuhn's Paradigm Shift: Thomas Kuhn's concept of paradigm shifts explains how scientific revolutions occur when a prevailing framework is replaced by a new one, fundamentally changing the approach to scientific inquiry.

Hawking's Model-Dependent Realism: Stephen Hawking proposed that all models of reality are dependent on the framework from which we observe; no single model represents absolute truth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-dependent_realism

2. Philosophical Frameworks
Wittgenstein's Language Games: Ludwig Wittgenstein argued that the meaning of words is derived from their use in specific contexts, suggesting that understanding language is a matter of social practices and frameworks rather than fixed definitions.

Kant's Transcendental Idealism: Immanuel Kant provided a framework for understanding the limits of human knowledge, differentiating between things-in-themselves and phenomena observed through human perceptions.

3. Ethical Theories
Utilitarianism: This ethical framework assesses actions based on outcomes, emphasizing the greatest good for the greatest number. Ethical decisions are thus framed within this context.
Deontological Ethics: Immanuel Kant's deontological framework posits that actions are morally right based on adherence to rules or duties rather than consequences, offering a systematic approach to ethical reasoning.

4. Cognitive and Psychological Frameworks
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): CBT operates within a framework that focuses on identifying and changing negative patterns of thought, illustrating the application of a structured approach to mental health treatment.

Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development: Jean Piaget's framework outlines the stages children go through as they develop cognitive abilities, providing a systematic understanding of child psychology.

5. Social and Political Theory
Foucault's Discourse Analysis: Michel Foucault’s framework examines how power dynamics and societal structures shape discourses and knowledge production, influencing how we understand truth and reality in social contexts.
Rawls’ Theory of Justice: John Rawls proposed a framework for evaluating justice in society, focusing on fairness and the "veil of ignorance" to assess social institutions.

6. Systems Theory
General Systems Theory: Ludwig von Bertalanffy formulated a framework for analyzing complex systems across multiple disciplines, emphasizing the interconnections and interdependencies within systems.

Complex Adaptive Systems: This framework is used in ecology, economics, and sociology, focusing on the interactions within systems that adapt and evolve over time, illustrating principles of evolution and emergence.

7. Cultural and Sociological Theories
Bourdieu's Habitus: Pierre Bourdieu's concept of habitus presents a framework for understanding how societal structures influence individual behaviors and perceptions, highlighting the interplay between habit and social context.
Structuralism and Post-Structuralism: These frameworks in anthropology and literary theory examine how structures shape meaning and culture, influencing comprehension and interpretation.

8. Interdisciplinary Frameworks
Systems Biology: Integrating biology with mathematics and computational modeling, systems biology seeks to understand biological systems as complex networks, creating frameworks for interpreting biological data.

Environmental Sustainability Frameworks: Tools like the Triple Bottom Line (economic, social, environmental) offer a systematic approach for businesses to assess their sustainability impact.

Conclusion
Frameworks and systems are integral to advancing understanding and facilitating structured dialogue across multiple disciplines. Whether in science, philosophy, ethics, or sociology, these frameworks help clarify complex ideas, foster critical thinking, and promote systematic approaches to inquiry and problem-solving. By providing clarity and coherence, they enable individuals and communities to navigate intricate questions about truth, knowledge, and reality.

Of particular concern the FS is the basis for 'what is reality' and 'what is fact';

A fact is a true datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance.[1] Standard reference works are often used to check facts.

Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement by experiments or other means. For example,
"This sentence contains words." accurately describes a linguistic fact, and
"The sun is a star" accurately describes an astronomical fact. Further,
"Abraham Lincoln was the 16th President of the United States" and "Abraham Lincoln was assassinated" both accurately describe historical facts.
Generally speaking, facts are independent of belief and of knowledge and opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

All the above facts are conditioned within their respective human-based FS, i.e. grounded on a collective-of-subject thus independent of a mind, so, it is objective.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Here is reality as related to an FS.

I have told you before, so many times, your FSK thing does not resemble those. It is backwards, upside down and facing the wrong way. Meaningful frameworks are for collecting types of knowledge.

Yours is for manufacturing "facts" that have nothing in them except what an FSK puts there. Wothless. It is fake, fraudulent and only AI agrees with you. You have never persuaded any human ever to follow your FSK thing. YOU NEVER WILL.

Nah, you are ignorant because you are chasing an illusion as 'fact'.

It claims reality should be interpreted based upon these models, and where several models overlap in describing a particular subject, multiple, equally valid, realities exist.

It claims that it is meaningless to talk about the "true reality" of a model as we can never be absolutely certain of anything.

"It claims reality should be interpreted based upon these models" means reality or fact is contingent upon the model, i.e. the specific framework and system. In this case, multiple realities exist which must be rated to assess its credibility.

You have not read widely enough to understand [not agree with] the above.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Notes:

There are degrees of reality.

Model-dependent realism is a view of scientific inquiry that focuses on the role of scientific models of phenomena.[1]

It claims reality should be interpreted based upon these models, and where several models overlap in describing a particular subject, multiple, equally valid, realities exist.

It claims that it is meaningless to talk about the "true reality" of a model as we can never be absolutely certain of anything.

The only meaningful thing is the usefulness of the model.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-dependent_realism

Model-dependent realism is a subset of FS-Realism.

If it is meaningless to talk about the "true reality", then the only valid 'reality' is the one that is conditioned upon the specific realism-model.

In addition, "multiple, equally valid, realities exist" which imply these realities must have different degrees of reality.
As such, in principle, there is a need to rate the degrees of reality of each specific model or FS.

[FlashDangerpants]

Name a human person who believes in your FSK theory, including the bit about it manufacturing facts. Until then, I reject all your bullshit and won't bother reading any of the AI stuff.

[Flannel Jesus]

VA is too poor of a communicator to be telling people how to communicate

[FlashDangerpants]

won't bother reading any of the AI stuff.

I am a bad man and I broke my own rule...

Deontological Ethics: Immanuel Kant's deontological framework posits ....

You are so lazy and stupid that you forgot to remind your AI that you were forcing it to pretend Kant's framework wasn't deontological.

You are a too lazy to read the AI stuff yourself. Thus I definitely won't be bothering to in the future.

[Atla]

If VA could realize that according to his very own gold standard FSK proper ultra mega plus, it is likely that while many models exist, there is only one reality (realism), his brain would surely explode. Luckily for him he can't realize it.

[Flannel Jesus]

If VA could realize that according to his very own gold standard FSK proper ultra mega plus, it is likely that while many models exist, there is only one reality (realism), his brain would surely explode. Luckily for him he can't realize it.

He does know it. He talks about some fsks being better or "more objective" than others, which implies that he realises they're more objective WITH RESPECT TO SOMETHING, right? Like to say this model is better than that model, that means its better at something in particular. Better at what? More objective with respect to what?

The obvious answer is, more objective with respect to reality. Better at modelling reality.

He knows it, it is just inconvenient for him to acknowledge it.

[FlashDangerpants]

The obvious answer is, more objective with respect to reality. Better at modelling reality.

Unfortunately that isn't even what he is aiming at. It's a bandwagon thing, he actually thinks credibility and therefore thruthfulness is a function of how many people are persuaded. He really hates to discuss that though, especially as his own theory, which is stupid and rejected by the entire human race, does not come out of the whole thing smelling so great.

[Flannel Jesus]

The obvious answer is, more objective with respect to reality. Better at modelling reality.

Unfortunately that isn't even what he is aiming at. It's a bandwagon thing, he actually thinks credibility and therefore thruthfulness is a function of how many people are persuaded. He really hates to discuss that though, especially as his own theory, which is stupid and rejected by the entire human race, does not come out of the whole thing smelling so great.

Yeah, its a very ironic and inconsistent set of ideas he has there.

[Veritas Aequitas]

won't bother reading any of the AI stuff.

I am a bad man and I broke my own rule...

Deontological Ethics: Immanuel Kant's deontological framework posits ....

You are so lazy and stupid that you forgot to remind your AI that you were forcing it to pretend Kant's framework wasn't deontological.

You are a too lazy to read the AI stuff yourself. Thus I definitely won't be bothering to in the future.

I have disagreed with AI whenever it referred to Kant's system as deontological [a common theme out there]. Upon further discussions, AI agreed with my view, i.e. Kant's moral system is not deontological.
I do not want to waste time in this case, regardless, the critical point to topic is Kant's moral system is within his defined Framework and System.

[FlashDangerpants]

...AI...

Name a human person who believes in your FSK theory, including the bit about it manufacturing facts. Until then, I reject all your bullshit and won't bother reading any of the AI stuff.

[Veritas Aequitas]

There are degrees of reality.

Model-dependent realism is a view of scientific inquiry that focuses on the role of scientific models of phenomena.[1]

It claims reality should be interpreted based upon these models, and where several models overlap in describing a particular subject, multiple, equally valid, realities exist.

It claims that it is meaningless to talk about the "true reality" of a model as we can never be absolutely certain of anything.

The only meaningful thing is the usefulness of the model.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-dependent_realism

Model-dependent realism is a subset of FS-Realism.

If it is meaningless to talk about the "true reality", then the only valid 'reality' is the one that is conditioned upon the specific realism-model.

In addition, "multiple, equally valid, realities exist" which imply these realities must have different degrees of reality.
As such, in principle, there is a need to rate the degrees of reality of each specific model or FS.