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accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:57 pm Here's a mystery. Why would grown men want to promote the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? Could anyone think of a reason for this? Puberty blockers keep children looking like prepubescent until the age of consent and beyond. Men...prepubescent children... What's the connection?
Another mystery. Why would gay-hating parents with a non 'sex stereotype' child (i.e. a boy who likes playing with dolls, a girl who doesn't) decide that their 'boy' is actually a 'girl' 'in the wrong body' and vice versa? Why would a parent like that think that it's preferable to have a 'straight girl' than a 'gay boy'? Hmm? What's the connection?

When I was growing up ALL girls were apparently 'boys'. The American 'pretty princess pink and purple' phony bullshit hadn't yet permeated the rest of the planet. We all climbed trees, made forts, wore jeans, had short hair...Imagine planting the mind virus into those children's developing brains that they are 'in the wrong body'. Think of the harm that it would have done. That would have been unthinkable right? That could never happen...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:05 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:57 pm Here's a mystery. Why would grown men want to promote the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? Could anyone think of a reason for this? Puberty blockers keep children looking like prepubescent until the age of consent and beyond. Men...prepubescent children... What's the connection?
Another mystery. Why would gay-hating parents with a non 'sex stereotype' child (i.e. a boy who likes playing with dolls, a girl who doesn't) decide that their 'boy' is actually a 'girl' 'in the wrong body' and vice versa? Why would a parent like that think that it's preferable to have a 'straight girl' than a 'gay boy'? Hmm? What's the connection?

When I was growing up ALL girls were apparently 'boys'. The American 'pretty princess pink and purple' phony bullshit hadn't yet permeated the rest of the planet. We all climbed trees, made forts, wore jeans, had short hair...Imagine planting the mind virus into those children's developing brains that they are 'in the wrong body'. Think of the harm that it would have done. That would have been unthinkable right? That could never happen...

Are there people promoting the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? If so, it's probably linked to pharmaceutical sales somehow. Pharmaceutical companies actively lobby doctors and hospitals for their products, sometimes leading to overprescription.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:19 pm There are a lot of adults with something to gain. It's a huge industry. But it starts with planting the idea in a child's mind. Mengele doctors are making millions from doing this to vulnerable, often autistic, young people.

Wiki wrote: Her ["his"] parents noted that Jennings was clear on being female as soon as she ["he"] could speak....

...She ["he"] stars in the TLC reality TV series, I Am Jazz, which premiered in 2015 and focuses on her ["his"] daily life with her ["his"] family and the challenges she ["he"] faces as a transgender person.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:05 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:19 pm There are a lot of adults with something to gain. It's a huge industry. But it starts with planting the idea in a child's mind. Mengele doctors are making millions from doing this to vulnerable, often autistic, young people.

Another mystery (to me, anyway) has to do with the parents of children like Jazz Jennings, for example, who was born a boy.

According to Wiki (bracketed interjections mine)...

Wiki wrote: Her ["his"] parents noted that Jennings was clear on being female as soon as she ["he"] could speak....

...She ["he"] stars in the TLC reality TV series, I Am Jazz, which premiered in 2015 and focuses on her ["his"] daily life with her ["his"] family and the challenges she ["he"] faces as a transgender person.

And the mystery is that if you're a parent who (for whatever reason) is hell-bent on screwing up your child's body and life with hormone therapy because when they were 4 or 5 years old, they somehow imagined themselves as being born in the wrong body,...

...then if the idiot parents and doctors are going to do it anyway, then why not treat them with the drugs and hormones that will make them feel more at home in the body they were born with, instead of perpetuating the "Frankenstein-ish" insanity displayed in the image uploaded by accelafine?
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accelafine wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:09 am

seeds wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:05 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:19 pm There are a lot of adults with something to gain. It's a huge industry. But it starts with planting the idea in a child's mind. Mengele doctors are making millions from doing this to vulnerable, often autistic, young people.

Another mystery (to me, anyway) has to do with the parents of children like Jazz Jennings, for example, who was born a boy.

According to Wiki (bracketed interjections mine)...

Wiki wrote: Her ["his"] parents noted that Jennings was clear on being female as soon as she ["he"] could speak....

...She ["he"] stars in the TLC reality TV series, I Am Jazz, which premiered in 2015 and focuses on her ["his"] daily life with her ["his"] family and the challenges she ["he"] faces as a transgender person.

And the mystery is that if you're a parent who (for whatever reason) is hell-bent on screwing up your child's body and life with hormone therapy because when they were 4 or 5 years old, they somehow imagined themselves as being born in the wrong body,...

...then if the idiot parents and doctors are going to do it anyway, then why not treat them with the drugs and hormones that will make them feel more at home in the body they were born with, instead of perpetuating the "Frankenstein-ish" insanity displayed in the image uploaded by accelafine?
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What??

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:57 pm Another mystery. Why would gay-hating parents with a non 'sex stereotype' child (i.e. a boy who likes playing with dolls, a girl who doesn't) decide that their 'boy' is actually a 'girl' 'in the wrong body' and vice versa? Why would a parent like that think that it's preferable to have a 'straight girl' than a 'gay boy'? Hmm? What's the connection?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 4:21 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:05 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:57 pm Here's a mystery. Why would grown men want to promote the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? Could anyone think of a reason for this? Puberty blockers keep children looking like prepubescent until the age of consent and beyond. Men...prepubescent children... What's the connection?
Another mystery. Why would gay-hating parents with a non 'sex stereotype' child (i.e. a boy who likes playing with dolls, a girl who doesn't) decide that their 'boy' is actually a 'girl' 'in the wrong body' and vice versa? Why would a parent like that think that it's preferable to have a 'straight girl' than a 'gay boy'? Hmm? What's the connection?

When I was growing up ALL girls were apparently 'boys'. The American 'pretty princess pink and purple' phony bullshit hadn't yet permeated the rest of the planet. We all climbed trees, made forts, wore jeans, had short hair...Imagine planting the mind virus into those children's developing brains that they are 'in the wrong body'. Think of the harm that it would have done. That would have been unthinkable right? That could never happen...

Are there people promoting the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? If so, it's probably linked to pharmaceutical sales somehow. Pharmaceutical companies actively lobby doctors and hospitals for their products, sometimes leading to overprescription.

Close. There's HUGE money in it, for one thing. A full "transgender" surgery costs about 63,000 US dollars. And that doesn't even get into the previous and follow-up treatments constantly needed to sustain it. But I think there's also an ideological motive involved, as well. For some, it's a virtue-signalling opportunity in the Munchausen style. For others, it's the ultimate expression of Queer Theory, in which everything normal is automatically traduced and twisted in order to "queer" it, just as D. Halperin espoused in the first significant paper on the subject, "The Normalization of Queer Theory." For others, it's a Neo-Marxist cause: another "oppressed" group that can be made permanently unhappy and thus make useful "revolutionaries." All these groups have their own reasons for advocating it.

In short, there are lots of reasons, but no good ones.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:06 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 4:21 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:05 pm

Are there people promoting the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? If so, it's probably linked to pharmaceutical sales somehow. Pharmaceutical companies actively lobby doctors and hospitals for their products, sometimes leading to overprescription.

Close. There's HUGE money in it, for one thing. A full "transgender" surgery costs about 63,000 US dollars. And that doesn't even get into the previous and follow-up treatments constantly needed to sustain it. But I think there's also an ideological motive involved, as well. For some, it's a virtue-signalling opportunity in the Munchausen style. For others, it's the ultimate expression of Queer Theory, in which everything normal is automatically traduced and twisted in order to "queer" it, just as D. Halperin espoused in the first significant paper on the subject, "The Normalization of Queer Theory." For others, it's a Neo-Marxist cause: another "oppressed" group that can be made permanently unhappy and thus make useful "revolutionaries." All these groups have their own reasons for advocating it.

In short, there are lots of reasons, but no good ones.

That's sad. As often happens, it sounds like big business is profiting enormously off of all this. That usually leads to overdiagnosis and overprescription. (At least it did for Prozac and the opioid epidemic.)

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:25 am Apparently caring about this is part of 'extreme right wing' ideology. FFS. People on here are brain-dead.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:21 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:09 am

seeds wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:05 am
Another mystery (to me, anyway) has to do with the parents of children like Jazz Jennings, for example, who was born a boy.

According to Wiki (bracketed interjections mine)...

And the mystery is that if you're a parent who (for whatever reason) is hell-bent on screwing up your child's body and life with hormone therapy because when they were 4 or 5 years old, they somehow imagined themselves as being born in the wrong body,...

...then if the idiot parents and doctors are going to do it anyway, then why not treat them with the drugs and hormones that will make them feel more at home in the body they were born with, instead of perpetuating the "Frankenstein-ish" insanity displayed in the image uploaded by accelafine?
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What??

Please explain why my reply prompted a - "What??" - from you?
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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:06 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 4:21 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:05 pm

Are there people promoting the non-medical use of puberty blockers on healthy children? If so, it's probably linked to pharmaceutical sales somehow. Pharmaceutical companies actively lobby doctors and hospitals for their products, sometimes leading to overprescription.

Close. There's HUGE money in it, for one thing. A full "transgender" surgery costs about 63,000 US dollars. And that doesn't even get into the previous and follow-up treatments constantly needed to sustain it. But I think there's also an ideological motive involved, as well. For some, it's a virtue-signalling opportunity in the Munchausen style. For others, it's the ultimate expression of Queer Theory, in which everything normal is automatically traduced and twisted in order to "queer" it, just as D. Halperin espoused in the first significant paper on the subject, "The Normalization of Queer Theory." For others, it's a Neo-Marxist cause: another "oppressed" group that can be made permanently unhappy and thus make useful "revolutionaries." All these groups have their own reasons for advocating it.

In short, there are lots of reasons, but no good ones.

That's sad. As often happens, it sounds like big business is profiting enormously off of all this. That usually leads to overdiagnosis and overprescription. (At least it did for Prozac and the opioid epidemic.)