The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought

[dattaswami]

MUTUALLY SUPPORTING MISSIONS OF DIFFERENT INCARNATIONS

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought, which is the process of thinking. Except this thought, no other action is known to us before such thought. Such thought was to create this world constituted by many items. The reason for many items is that a single item will bore, resulting in non-enjoyment. Therefore, God alone could not enjoy and there is requirement of many items also for continuous enjoyment. Thought is the process of thinking and that is awareness itself. Awareness is knowledge, which is the process of knowing. There is no basic difference between the process of thinking and the process of knowing.

In the process of knowing, the impression created by an external object through the external senses is required. In the process of thinking, the impression created by the internal mind itself is sufficient. Here, mind acts as the sixth sense, which is extra to the known five external senses as said in the Gita (Manah Shashthani Indriyaani…). The point here is that both the process of thinking and knowing are one and the same involving the impression of an object. Therefore, thought and knowledge are one and the same. Hence, thought also means awareness. Even the joy is basically the process of thinking or knowing only. Here, the impression is happiness, which is the object.

Therefore, basically, enjoyment also means awareness only. Based on this, you think that God, who thinks and enjoys, must be non-inert awareness (Eekshateh… Brahma Sutra). Inert items like stones cannot think and enjoy. You are forgetting the fundamental point that these conclusions are based on the observations of imaginable items existing in this world. Hence, all this logic is generated after the creation of this world only. How can you apply this logic to God before the creation of this world? Moreover, this logic is based on the observations of imaginable items of this world. How can you apply such logic to God, who is unimaginable?

All these items of the world have spatial dimensions and are apparent modifications (as per Shankara) or real modifications (as per Ramanuja and Madhva) of space only. Here, the meaning of space is not ‘nothing’ since nothing does not exist at all. Space is subtle energy and is something. Shunyam is the word used for the representation of space. Therefore, Shunyam means something and not nothing. Even the scientists say that space bends along the boundary of the object. Bending is the property of something and not nothing.

The word Shunyam is used to mean nothing in approximate rough sense only. The person entering a vacant room says that nothing exists in the vacant room. But, the air exists. Since air is subtle, it is missed in the approximate sense. Similarly, the lack of knowledge of the space that it is subtle energy, is responsible for saying that nothing exists in vacuum. Even if you remove the electro-magnetic radiations from the vacuum, the word ‘nothing’ cannot be used because the vacuum itself is something, which is the most subtle energy. Einstein says that space also disappears, when matter disappears. The appearance and disappearance must be used for something only. The Veda also says that first space was created and from space, air was created (Atmana akaashah…).

If space is nothing, air must be also nothing. Then, the entire world must be nothing. Shankara questioned on this point that if the entire world is nothing, the word ‘existence’ should have not been born at all. Everybody should say that everything in this world is nothing and does not exist. But, such usage is not found. Everybody says that every item in this world exists. Even the soul, which is the basic inert energy, should be nothing and the awareness, which is a specific work form of the inert energy, should be also nothing. In such case, you must be experiencing that you are nothing and that you do not exist. But, such experience is not found. Hence, everything in this world exists with respect to yourself since you are an item of this world. All this logic is totally different with reference to unimaginable God. From the point of God, this world including yourself does not exist since God is the ultimate root cause of this world.

As per the theory of relativity, the cause is always absolute truth and its effect is relative truth. The mud is the absolute truth and pot is relative truth. Therefore, it is justified to say that this world including yourself is nothing with reference to God. Now, you may say that since you are God, the world is nothing for you. In such case, you should pass through a wall, which is nothing for you. Since you are the ultimate cause, you should be also able to create any item in this world. But, you are unable to create even an atom. Shankara could pass through the bolted doors and could create a rain of gold coins. The reason is that the absolute God exists in Him. This should not mean that the demons, who can do such things, also contain absolute God in them. The demons could not preach the unimaginable knowledge as preached by Shankara. The adjective ‘Unimaginable’ here isolates Shankara from the other Scholars, who can preach the knowledge existing in books only. Creative knowledge, which is new at every step, is the unimaginable knowledge. Thus, you have to isolate the human incarnation very carefully from demons on one side and from ordinary scholars on the other side.

Such demons and ordinary scholars may also claim themselves as human incarnations. Therefore, your torch light should be always on, which is the sharp analysis to differentiate truth and falsehood. Such pseudo-human incarnations always are very near to the real human incarnation and you have to escape them by very short edge of margin.

Both Ravana and Hanuman are great Scholars and strong devotees performing miracles. Your sharp analysis should differentiate them since Hanuman is the true incarnation and Ravana is a false incarnation. The true incarnation accepts the other co-existing incarnations also since ego and jealousy do not exist in It. Hanuman recognized Rama and never declared Himself as the incarnation. Even Krishna also declared Himself as God to Arjuna only in the context of the Gita. Shirdi Sai Baba, being true incarnation, accepted an egoistic disciple as God and served him for sometime. Therefore, very careful analysis is required in this context of recognizing the real human incarnation.

Coming to the main topic, Buddha told that this entire world is ‘Shunyam’. This word means that this entire world is modification of space (Shunyam), which is subtle energy. The word ‘Shunyam’ was misunderstood by His followers, who developed the theory of nothing (Asat Karyavada). Since Buddha used the word ‘Shunyam’ to mean subtle energy, His theory was only about the existence of something (Sat Karyavada).

Therefore, it is wrong to conclude that God is awareness because He thought. The unimaginable God can do any work through His unimaginable power. The process of thinking was done by God through His unimaginable power and God need not be awareness on that account. You should not apply the worldly conclusions to unimaginable God. The steps of your foolish analysis result in making you [as] God. These steps are:

God is awareness because He thought.
I am also awareness since I also think.
Awareness being common, I am God.

The potentiality to implement such thought differentiates you from God. God thought to create this world. Subsequently, He created this world! But, what about you? You can also think to create the world. But, the subsequent potentiality is totally absent in yourself since you are unable to create even an atom of this world. The Prime Minister thought to sign a specific government order (G.O.). Subsequently, he signed the G.O. You also can think to sign the same G.O. Because of the similarity of such thought, can you be the Prime Minister? Subsequently, you could not sign the G.O. Shankara used this foolish logic to uplift the then existing foolish atheists. Thorn must be used to remove the thorn. The atheist will not believe in the existence of a separate God and hence, says that God does not exist.

The only way left over to make them say that God exists is to say that the atheist himself is God. Since everybody believes his own existence, such atheist will have to accept the existence of God. This initial step is most difficult like the starting trouble of a machine. Some atheists of Buddhism went even to the extremity of saying that they also do not exist since everything is nothing (Shunya Vada). Then, Shankara argued that in the absence of ‘Knower’, the ‘Knowledge’ that everything is nothing also cannot exist.

In such case, such theory, which is Knowledge, cannot also exist. By this powerful logic, such Buddhists also turned back. Of course, some Buddhists, headed by Acharya Dignaga, started accepting the existence of self (Prajna vada). Such Buddhists were converted into theists by the statement that soul is God. Thus, both the schools of Buddhism were tactfully tackled by Shankara to convert all the Buddhistic atheists into theists.

The initial task of converting atheist into theist is most tedious job like attracting the illiterate mischievous children wandering in fields to go to the school. Once they join the school, it is easy to educate them further. It is easy to develop the theist. Therefore, for this terrible initial task, God (Lord Shiva) had to come directly as Shankara. Later on, to develop the theists, the servants of God like Adishesha (Ramanuja) and Vayu (Madhva) were sent. To create interest in a tough subject like Thermo Dynamics, the Professor himself comes in the beginning to teach the class.

Once the interest is created, the professor sends his students (Research Scholars) to give the details of the topics in the subject. Therefore, I am not at all criticizing Shankara and the Monism (Advaita) preached by Him. I am only appealing to the followers of Shankara to understand the background of the necessity to preach Advaita by Shankara in His time.

[Harbal]

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought,

Despite not even believing in God, I think I have more respect for him than you do. You are always saying how unimaginable he is, and so I pay him the courtesy of not trying to imagine him. In fact, I go even further than that by not thinking about him at all. You, on the other hand, seem always to be thinking about and imagining him. I suggest you show a little more respect, dattaswami, and just forget about God altogether.

[Lacewing]

Dattaswami... what is the payoff you get for telling people what you don't and cannot know?

I think Harbal makes a good point about having respect. The minds of men are constantly reducing God down to the limits of their imaginations (even when they claim to be speaking about and knowing the unimaginable).

[dattaswami]

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought,

Despite not even believing in God, I think I have more respect for him than you do. You are always saying how unimaginable he is, and so I pay him the courtesy of not trying to imagine him. In fact, I go even further than that by not thinking about him at all. You, on the other hand, seem always to be thinking about and imagining him. I suggest you show a little more respect, dattaswami, and just forget about God altogether.

Even though God is unimaginable, He comes to this world in human form to preach divine knowledge to uplift us. He is called Human incarnation of God. The primary purpose of God coming in human form is only to give you the correct direction in your spiritual effort through the best explanation of the true knowledge, which clarifies all your doubts and inspires you to practically adopt the knowledge. The true knowledge explained in best way is like huge fire (Jnanagnih…Gita). Such true knowledge explained in best way is the huge power to bring implementation of theory into practice. If there is any hindrance in your implementation of theory in practice, it is only the imperfect clarification of the true concept. Therefore, the contemporary human incarnation of God can inspire you to implement the true knowledge in practice.

Inspired by the teaching of Lord Krishna, Arjuna fought the war and even killed his grandfather and teacher. Mandanamishra left the family and became a saint following Shankara, just after hearing the best explanation of true knowledge from Shankara during the debate that went on for several days continuously. Therefore nothing is as powerful as the best explained true knowledge (Sarvam Gnanaplavenaiva...Gita).

[Harbal]

Even though God is unimaginable, He comes to this world in human form to preach divine knowledge to uplift us.

You don't happen to have access to his itinerary, do you? I wouldn't mind taking a look at him.

He is called Human incarnation of God.

That's a catchy name.

Inspired by the teaching of Lord Krishna, Arjuna fought the war and even killed his grandfather

That's probably why we aren't encouraged to worship Krishna here. Killing your granddad is frowned on in my part of the world.

[Iwannaplato]

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought

So, here we have, yet again, some guy in India, telling us in one sentence that God is unimaginable and what this unimaginable being's first thought was.

And we're not supposed to, I guess, notice the glaring contradiction.

He will then say we have incarnations of God to tell us - he being one of these. He doesn't say the latter openly, but his website sure does.

[Iwannaplato]

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable- God is a thought

If one google's the title of this thread one comes to...

World is created by a thought by God - Speaking Treehttps://www.speakingtree.in › Blogs
5 Aug 2012 — [August 4, 2012] The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable- God is a thought, which is the process of thinking.

IOW he just copied and pasted something he had on his website back in 2012.

[Harbal]

IOW he just copied and pasted something he had on his website back in 2012.

He's a very lazy guru.

[dattaswami]

That's probably why we aren't encouraged to worship Krishna here. Killing your granddad is frowned on in my part of the world.

Arjuna came to war to fight, after seeing his relatives in the opposition side Arjuna got overwhelmed with emotion and told that he is not going fight. Then Krishna told Arjuna, even if you do not going to kill them I have already arranged their death. When you are not fighting and killing, you are not participating in the mission of God which is to establish peace in this world by annihilating demonic people. Then Arjuna fought the war thinking that if he is not fighting then he will loose the grace of God. Thus he fought the war and killed those demonic people who are opposing the peace of the society. God Krishna initially advice those demonic people in several ways so that the war could be avoided. But those people did not listen Him. As a last resort the war was fought to annihilate them.

[dattaswami]

The first action of the original-absolute-unimaginable God is a thought

So, here we have, yet again, some guy in India, telling us in one sentence that God is unimaginable and what this unimaginable being's first thought was.

And we're not supposed to, I guess, notice the glaring contradiction.

He will then say we have incarnations of God to tell us - he being one of these. He doesn't say the latter openly, but his website sure does.

God alone knows about Himself. He comes down in human form to preach about Himself.To unify all the religions in the world and to give exceptional spiritual guidance to the entire humanity, God alone, who is capable of possessing such exceptional spiritual knowledge called Prajnanam, takes the human body.

The main aim of God entering into the world is to give excellent guidance to the spiritual aspirants. No soul can give such exceptional guidance equal to God. Such guidance is based on the exceptional unique knowledge of omniscient God. Since He is the author of the spiritual scriptures, He alone can give the correct interpretation and the essence of all the scriptures.

Since the same God came in different forms to different parts of the world and gave the exceptional spiritual guidance to the entire humanity through the scriptures of various religions, He alone can correlate all the scriptures and establish the Universal Spirituality and the subsequent peace and harmony in the world. Such basic exceptional and universal spiritual knowledge is called as Prajnanam. For this purpose, it goes without saying that the suitable medium to fulfill this main aim is only the human body. Hence, God comes in human form only to accomplish this excellent goal.