It never hurts to every once in a while, to reevaluate where one stands...
I stand with a certain viewpoint, an agenda as it were...
for me, the most interesting and important intellectual period in history
was the ''Enlightenment"... I am still fighting for the "Enlightenment"...
For me, the most important intellectual thing one can do is to
have what Nietzsche called ''A reevaluation of values'',
to examine what values one holds and why? Why those values and
not other values.. is perhaps the most important question we can
ask ourselves...I hold with Nietzche that, as he said......
''It is not enough to have the courage of our convictions,
we must have the courage for an attack upon our convictions''
I don't hold that Nietzsche is always right in details, he is seriously
wrong in many of his details, but in his methodology, he is quite right...
We must not just accept the indoctrinations we received in our childhood,
our ''education''.... we must challenge all our beliefs, no matter how
dear they are to us... I have held three distinct and separate political
viewpoint's...roughly every 20 years or so, I change my political values...
and I have had dozens of philosophical viewpoints...
the point is not to hold certain values all our life, but to change and
adapt our values to match where we are in life... I am a senior citizen,
the values I held at age 3 or 33 or even 53, no longer match where I am
in my life right now... I must adapt my values to match where I am in my life...
and the best method for that is by an engagement with the values
of the "Enlightenment"... to match my values with the reality I see today...
this is why I reject religion as an engagement with my own values..
religion and believe in god, requires, demands that my own beliefs
are secondary to the values of a god... as a person, I am negated, religious
values are nihilistic.. because they require that I subject my person and values
to a god...having read the Old Testament, I have seen how little value
god gives to human beings.. or reread the "book of Job" to see this...
god quite literarily tortures Job to make a point. it doesn't matter that Job
was "rewarded" in the end, he was tortured... and torture under any reason,
is wrong.. even if "god" did it...or if that doesn't work for you, count
the vast number of people that god kills... the death count reaches the
ten of thousands.. and why? how much value can god have if he thoughtlessly
and without remorse, kills thousands of human beings?
it is easy to accept god if, if one simply ignores what the bible
specifically spells out.. how little god cares about human beings...
No, that is, in part, why we cannot, cannot accept religion as a guide,
a theory in which we use to guide our lives....man is not the goal, but
the means to a goal... just as human beings are the means to a goal
in capitalism, we are used to gain profits.. we only have value because
we create profits, not as an end, but a means...
This type of nihilism is what, in part, the 'Enlightenment" fought..
until we value human beings just because they are human beings,
we cannot expect to ever become wise, intelligent, or be able to
make that next step in the human journey... of becoming,
from going to animal, to our current state of animal/human to
the next step, (not the last step, but the next step)
in becoming human, fully human.. and religions cannot help
us make that goal of becoming fully human...
so, I fight for the "New Enlightenment".. where we recover the
values of the "Enlightenment" Where we have the courage for
an attack on our values.. not the courage for our convictions...
and just like the last couple of years has forced people to
rethink what they really believe in.. where we in America had
what is called "The Great Resignation" where millions of people
walked away from their crappy jobs and turned to becoming who
they are.. we need to empower people to continue this reevaluation
of what it means to be human...
I believe in the Ideals of the "Enlightenment" where we rethink,
reevaluate what it means to be human.. that is my agenda...
Kropotkin
Kropotkin's agenda
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Re: Kropotkin's agenda
..especially when one stands upon the thoughts of those short of sight.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:28 pm It never hurts to every once in a while, to reevaluate where one stands...
Our convictions can be so ridiculous that they deserve no courage when attacked, rather, humility and defeat.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:28 pm I stand with a certain viewpoint, an agenda as it were...
for me, the most interesting and important intellectual period in history
was the ''Enlightenment"... I am still fighting for the "Enlightenment"...
For me, the most important intellectual thing one can do is to
have what Nietzsche called ''A reevaluation of values'',
to examine what values one holds and why? Why those values and
not other values.. is perhaps the most important question we can
ask ourselves...I hold with Nietzche that, as he said......
''It is not enough to have the courage of our convictions,
we must have the courage for an attack upon our convictions''
Yes, but we must also contemplate that perhaps we were born into such indoctrination for a reason, that the physical world has more hand at play. Certainly however, that indoctrination should always be challenged and questioned.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:28 pmI don't hold that Nietzsche is always right in details, he is seriously
wrong in many of his details, but in his methodology, he is quite right...
We must not just accept the indoctrinations we received in our childhood,
our ''education''.... we must challenge all our beliefs, no matter how
dear they are to us...
So rather than thinking that IF there is this God (the indoctrination it had me born into) that IT might want ME to challenge its buy_bull doctrine, you opted that there was no reason to question IT from a different perspective, one where perhaps God purposely provided DOUBT. (of course, you then have to question Y?)Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:28 pmI have held three distinct and separate political
viewpoint's...roughly every 20 years or so, I change my political values...
and I have had dozens of philosophical viewpoints...
the point is not to hold certain values all our life, but to change and
adapt our values to match where we are in life... I am a senior citizen,
the values I held at age 3 or 33 or even 53, no longer match where I am
in my life right now... I must adapt my values to match where I am in my life...
and the best method for that is by an engagement with the values
of the "Enlightenment"... to match my values with the reality I see today...
this is why I reject religion as an engagement with my own values..
religion and believe in god, requires, demands that my own beliefs
are secondary to the values of a god... as a person, I am negated, religious
values are nihilistic.. because they require that I subject my person and values
to a god...having read the Old Testament, I have seen how little value
god gives to human beings..
...GOOD.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:28 pm or reread the "book of Job" to see this...
god quite literarily tortures Job to make a point. it doesn't matter that Job
was "rewarded" in the end, he was tortured... and torture under any reason,
is wrong.. even if "god" did it...or if that doesn't work for you, count
the vast number of people that god kills... the death count reaches the
ten of thousands.. and why? how much value can god have if he thoughtlessly
and without remorse, kills thousands of human beings?
it is easy to accept god if, if one simply ignores what the bible
specifically spells out.. how little god cares about human beings...
No, that is, in part, why we cannot, cannot accept religion as a guide,
a theory in which we use to guide our lives....man is not the goal, but
the means to a goal... just as human beings are the means to a goal
in capitalism, we are used to gain profits.. we only have value because
we create profits, not as an end, but a means...
This type of nihilism is what, in part, the 'Enlightenment" fought..
until we value human beings just because they are human beings,
we cannot expect to ever become wise, intelligent, or be able to
make that next step in the human journey... of becoming,
from going to animal, to our current state of animal/human to
the next step, (not the last step, but the next step)
in becoming human, fully human.. and religions cannot help
us make that goal of becoming fully human...
so, I fight for the "New Enlightenment".. where we recover the
values of the "Enlightenment" Where we have the courage for
an attack on our values.. not the courage for our convictions...
and just like the last couple of years has forced people to
rethink what they really believe in.. where we in America had
what is called "The Great Resignation" where millions of people
walked away from their crappy jobs and turned to becoming who
they are.. we need to empower people to continue this reevaluation
of what it means to be human...
I believe in the Ideals of the "Enlightenment" where we rethink,
reevaluate what it means to be human.. that is my agenda...
Kropotkin