Evidence of God - androcies - attofishpi

[attofishpi]

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Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:

1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God

1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God

atto: Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214

.. : I carefully went over this post four times.. at no point did I see anything that was even close to "BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT"... a "reasonable" doubt would be clear and evident to anyone looking at this.. and yet, I can't, in even doubtful
circumstances believe this is something "beyond a reasonable doubt" in fact, looking at this objectively, one would have to think drugs were involved..giving the nature of drugs, I for one would bet that you had taken something like mushrooms or LSD when you imagine all this...

Nope.
I took LSD and mushrooms in the early 1990s.
- Did you? (at any time in your life)
- Why wouldn't one that is philosophically minded, experience and test\analyse consciousness from a different POV?
- I have never once 'hallucinated', heard voices or saw images of things change while on LSD\mushys, although, certainly things were more vivid. That was at least seven years prior to God introducing itself to me. (1997)



RE: Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214

.. at no point did I see anything that was even close to "BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT"...a "reasonable" doubt would be clear and evident to anyone looking at this.

Well, that depends on whether they are reasonable, and of no bias such as your statement:- "That there is no God, the bible on the whole is rubbish, Christ never existed."

So. On that above statement of yours, I found this quote of yours in another thread rather odd to come from you (I do like it however):-

Lebensphilosophie is a German word meaning "philosophy of life"
and it emphasized the meaning, value and purpose of life as the foremost focus of philosophy...
Which to say, that philosophy isn't about logic or math or language games...
but about who we are, who we were and who we might become....

I find that rather odd since atheist "philosophy" is a stunted approach to considering meaning and purpose of life, and any focus on philosophy should embrace an approach to truly love wisdom, surely?

Consider this:-
PHILOSOPHY: Love of Wisdom.
Two men, on par with intelligence and knowledge:
Man A = atheist
Man B = theist
Indeed the ONLY difference between the two with regard to their reasoning and pursuit of knowledge is that Man B understands that it is wise to believe that there is a God and live his life accordingly, knowing that there may be consequences beyond man's 'justice', indeed, there may be the POSSIBILITY of greater insight.

Which of the two men has the POTENTIAL for greater knowledge?

WHICH ONE IS THE WISER OF THE TWO, indeed the TRUE PHILOSOPHER?

-------------REASONABLE DOUBT?---------------------------------------
So getting back to this:- Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214
And the fact that you see no evidence presented to convince you that there is an intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive as reality.
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If someone said to you "Take a 10p coin and flip it into the air 10 times, and do this 20 times...since I know that God has ultimate control over all reality, out of every 10 times you flip that coin, it will result in heads 8 times out of the 10, and this will occur for all of the 20 times that you do this."
You follow that instruction, and no matter how you flip the coin - it results as the person had instructed.
Would you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that indeed, there is an intelligence behind reality that caused the result predicted by this person?
...as a fervent atheist, I'd say you wouldn't...so what reasoning would you provide to counter the claim? (if indeed you are reasonably doubting?)
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So Peter, below are what you will need to be convinced of to comprehend that what I present is indeed PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, that God exists.

1. God is omnipotent to what we perceive as reality.
2. That KEY words within the English language have been construed into their present form by God.
3. The attributes I ascribed to God are from 25 years of experience, empirical evidence provided to me personally that I analysed to permit such definition to this God entity. Some examples of those experiences are clear within the thread "Simulation or Divine Reality"
4. Paintings of landmasses to scale that I have done (as requested by God\sage, that I do art) accompanied WITH words, names of locations that are extremely unlikely to have just occurred by chance, at the key points on the landmass.

Let's start with point:- 2. That KEY words within the English language have been construed into their present form by God.
In 1997 when God was "introducing" itself to me it made an effort to have me comprehend certain intracacies in words that I found rather intriguing (yes, by calling some out to me, then I started to delve much further in the extrapolations, reversals etc..)

Note ALL the KEY words below (homophones\reversals) revolve around LIFE and God:

Let's look at the word ANARCHY.
AN_ARCH_Y (take out any part of the ARCH, and the KEYSTONE will fall, the ARCH in fact will collapse, much like society under anarchy).

U = you
O = owe
Y = why
HELL O (our standard greeting embedded with such 'evil' consideration)
EVIL - reversed: LIVE ...it IS very hard to live when God is testing your faith, with evil.
DEVIL - reversed - LIVED.
DOG - a man's best friend. Reversed GOD.
BILL.....................B_ill......Be ill...cos u gotta pay them!
MONEY...............MONE_Y....moan why? ....cos u gotta earn it!
LEARN.................L_earn...learn to earn!
WEEK...................WEAK........too hard to make a week without that fix
FORTNIGHT..........FOUGHT NIGHT.........try the whole fought night to break its grip
PROPHET...............Profit......as so many have over the millenias
BIBLE...................BUY BULL.............not satisfied with the dogma (Question the bible)
DOGMA..................AM GOD..............bible dogma?
SON......................SUN of God........."I am the light"
RAPE.....................R_APE.................OUR APE
CHEAT...................C HEAT...............SEE HEAT...sometimes love burns.
HEAVEN................HEAVE n......Heave, work and strive to build utopia, our heaven.
JUSTICE...............Man's "JUSTICE" - JUST_ICE ...in comparison to God's JUSTICE.
SOLES...............We walk on them. ....SOULS.
SOLES................have a HEEL, can we HEAL our SOULS?
REALITY............REAL_IT_Y? ...did we evolve into an efficient simulation?


Peter, is all the above LOGIC to these KEY words random coincidence?
You are welcome to look up the etymology dictionary as to the root(s) of these words, but they fall short of the LOGIC as shown above, LOGIC to these words could only have been construed by the omnipotent entity to our REALITY - GOD.

Peter, I have eaten from the Tree of Life AND the Tree of Know_Ledge

The Tree of Knowledge.
Know that there is a Ledge when you eat from the Tree. KNOW_LEDGE.
BARK up the TREE of KNOWLEDGE ...SAP....LEAVE.
A man's best friend is a Dog - reversed - God - BARK protects the tree. SAP feeds nutrients to the tree. LEAVES - leave the tree...do you twig?

PARANOID...............PA ANNOYED......God is v annoyed when you return to the Tree of Knowledge.
PARANOYA..............PA ANNOYA........God will annoya in the most evil way. (bad karma)

TREE OF KNOW-LEDGE





Note that the alphabet used in English has PERFECT symmetry between the vowels and consonants. Y do we walk on our soles\souls? Our soles have a heel, can we heal our souls?
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

Vowels of the Sage





Christ stated "I am the light" - interesting the light enters our consciousness via qualia through our PUPILS
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

WISE PUPILS OF THE LIGHT





Time is a man-made concept that we use to measure events within the physical universe. In a true single moment, there is not a EVENT occurring, not an electron spinning, a photon emitting, not until for example, an event such as a photon emitting from an ELECTRON, THEN, we have TIME. Interesting, TIME reverses to EMIT. Interesting MASS is where people attend (actual) churches.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

DOES MASS MATTER





Note that the IRELAND (to scale) can perfectly be represented as a child, indeed, Scotland as a mother's head - locks and all are to scale. I_RE_LAND - as a child of the UK to spread our LAN_GAUGE. Also, note the I'M - the Isle of MAN - the Aisle of Man - about to send the child off to the corners of the planet and spread this interesting language.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

ANCASTA (United Kingdom to scale)





Chile is a long thin backbone to South America - CHILL UP YOUR SPINE? - BRA_zil - on the NIPPLE has a town called NATAL - which means:- Of or relating to childbirth.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

NATAL (South America to scale)





Mount SINAI is where Moses received the conditions for which wo/man should abide - The Commandments. We now know with technology, that it is PLAUSIBLE for an entity to be ALL knowing of our lives. SINAI breaks down to SIN_AI. Is God DIVINE or AI or BOTH?
It just happens that Mount Sinai is placed between what I have painted as two fingers as a peace sign - from the Red Sea.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

MOUNT SINAI (Red Sea to scale)





The Gulf of Oman - looks like the face of some old man - interesting he appears to be staring directly at Mecca - the Red Sea to the left, now no longer a peace sign.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

GULF of OMAN (Owe Man?)




2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?

atto: To know God is via Christ - a bloke that went to his death stating he is the path - seems a likely place to start.
In the past 2000 years at some point in ones past life one would have had the chance to discover God via the one man worth.Y of the path.
Clearly most saw no worth in Christ and reincarnated according to their beliefs. Many these days reincarnate into atheist upbringing - it's just a choice one makes in ones current life. Clearly many people are not TRULY interested in the love of wisdom.

ok, let us begin with Jesus... the earliest gospel was most likely Mark...written at least
30 years after the death of Jesus... and none of the gospels were written by an
eyewitness...so, what year and day was Jesus born? and the book of Mark, at no point
does he claim that Jesus was a "god"..... looking at the bible creates more issues than
it solves.. for example, Matthew and Luke were written perhaps 50 or 60 years after
the death of Jesus... in holding to the bible as witness, you run into massive problems...

Actually, regarding Christ and his death and resurrection, God has told me that indeed, he did just that. Yes, I am in communication with the source, not what amounts to heresay from over 2000 years of secondary sources with many varied accounts.
This is an interesting article with thanks to IC for posting:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... d-and-died



3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
atto: Already addressed above.

I don't see your answer for this question in any of your above answers..
please show me where this question was answered?

I admit, I don't care for the question..the more I read about the concept, the more ambiguity there is to it to the point ultimately rendering the term absurd. However.
Dasein (German pronunciation: [ˈdaːzaɪn]) (sometimes spelled as Da-sein) is a German word that means "being there" or "presence" (German: da "there"; sein "to be"), and is often translated into English with the word "existence".
Dasein. In phenomenology: Heidegger's hermeneutic phenomenology. … comes to its self (called authenticity) or loses itself (called inauthenticity); Dasein is inauthentic, for example, when it lets the possibilities of the choice for its own “ek-sisting” be given to it by others instead of deciding for itself.

From my 25 years of experience of God - of which I never asked this entity to reveal itself to me, I decided for myself, that it is obvious that an entity with such power over reality, to be indeed God and I came to my own conclusion that REALITY IS A CONVOLUTED APPARITION OF THE TRUTH. What exactly that fundamental TRUTH is, I am not certain.



4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path
atto:
The strucure -

- GOD (beyond sub-atomic reality - imperceptible to us at that level - controls ALL particles\atoms that we can perceive at the level of PHYSICS)
- PHYSICS
- CHEMISTRY
- BIOLOGY
- REALITY (our conscious perception)

ATTRIBUTES OF GOD:
- What we perceive as reality, is 'generated' by this entity at THE most finite sub-atomic scale where either an event occurs or it doesn't - ergo, it has binary control over ALL matter, that includes our very own grey matter (if it wishes).
- IT has the ability to KNOW everything within the minds of wo/man.
- IT has the ability to switch ALL matter within our brains - our synapses - making us akin to biological robots - should serendipity or synchronicity be a desired outcome.
- IT has formed key words within the ENGLISH language - the common protocol for communication with anomalies and intricacies beyond natural language etymology.
- IT has the ability to appear to morph matter that you perceive as 'matter'.
- IT has ultimate control over ALL that we perceive as dimensions within our reality.
- IT is KARMIC.
- IT reincarnates US (souls) to within families - or other - that we deserve based on KARMA.

what I see are a bunch of assumptions of what god is, you don't actually know because
it has been said many times, that god is beyond our understanding.. so how do you
understand someone who is not understandable? Every word here is nothing more
than an assumption about god...

Peter, you are now proving to me that YOU assume things..quoting you ("you don't actually know because it has been said many times, that god is beyond our understanding.")
Y do you care for what has been said per your above statement - who said it? who cares?..As I stated earlier: "Reality is a convoluted apparition of the TRUTH. What exactly that fundamental TRUTH is, I am not certain." <-- so that extent, ok.
However.
I am certain that indeed you did not read my account of the tests I was put through that permitted me to ascribe the above attributes to God. If you wish, I will provide accounts of those experiences, and you can tell me whether I am innacurate to ascribe any of the attributes I listed.
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SO IN RELATION TO THE ARGUMENT OF THEODICY

ATTO- With the attributes listed above, surely you can see it conceivable that reincarnation would be plausible?
- IF it reincarnates US (souls) to within families - or other - that we deserve based on KARMA. (positive or negative)
-------- surely you can see how the THEODICY argument can be refuted.
- IF IT has the ability to appear to morph matter that you perceive as 'matter'.
- IF IT has ultimate control over ALL that we perceive as dimensions within our reality.
-------- again, surely you can see how the THEODICY argument can be refuted.

Rebirth and karma are also assumptions about matters we can't even guess about...
how would you know, empirically know, that reincarnation or Karma is possible?

With regards to reincarnation, I admit I cannot be certain, since the night the sage introduced himself to me (Nov 2005), when I actually questioned whether it was God - keeping me awake with a surge of energy (after trying to sleep where I had a broken arm from someone bashing me with a baseball bat) - a voice from the aether stated "I am a sage." - I didn't know what a sage was, and so considered getting out of bed and looking it up in my dictionary - when I was tapped heavily on my right knee (as in RIGHT do that) - dictionary read: An extremely wise person.
Also, just to let you know - the first night I left the hospital (prior to the sage thing) there was a mix up with my prescription - I had no pain killers for a fractured arm in a caste with pins and wires in what felt like my not so funny bone. I was in agony, in tears at times, so I decided to pray (well, I knew God existed) - In the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit - please God, can you relieve this pain. A voice said "Would you like me to erase that?" - of course I answered yes - and ALL the pain disappeared for about 10 mins - then returned and the voice said "Do you understand?"...more to that but that's enough, back to the sage.
So I asked the sage some questions, one of which "Are we reborn into families we deserve based on how we have lived our current life" - I was tapped heavily again on my right knee. If I asked a question where my statement was incorrect, I was tapped on my left knee.
So, you are right I cannot state for certain that I know we are reincarnated - but in 2010 the sage told me something extremely profound about my previous life, and when I quizzed him further as to whether it was absolutely true - I was tapped VERY heavily on my right shoulder - I repeated the question later in the morning - and the shoulder tap repeated. I have no reason to doubt my sage.
Regarding KARMA. Are you kidding me!!? Again, I don't think you have read the thread thoroughly, where I had crossed the line set by God\sage and was in HELL for 3 month stints. Synchronicity to the MAX - I often thought about that John Lennon song - Instant Karma is going to get you..bla bla..
Until 1997 onwards, I just thought karma was one of those wacky things of Eastern religions...well, it's true, and God doesn't **** about so be good!

it is really not much more than wishful thinking about reincarnation and Karma..
as heaven, god, angels, hell, and sin are just nothing more than wishful thinking...
there is no evidence of any kind that a god or god lite like jesus has or currently
exists....

Wishful thinking!!? - To have been tested in what I can only describe as HELL!

I've experience far too much of HELL, I am pretty much in HEAVEN now (YES - It is on Earth). Angels-->yeah I agree, bollocks---if angels exist, they are sages and certain they don't have stupid wings...

btw. I asked the God\sage last year whether there are less than 1000 sages on the planet - I was tapped on my right knee.

[Peter Kropotkin]

as I am not going to wade through this wall of text...
I shall respond in this manner... what you describe as events from
god, 99% of everyone on planet earth has never felt, heard or seen...
to say, because I have felt/seen/heard something, doesn't make
it a universal event.. you individually have felt it, but that makes
it specific to YOU, and to no one else.. in other words, you cannot
turn an individual/subjective event into a universal/objective event..
as you have done... if I feel/hear/see a subjective, individual event,
that doesn't mean Mary down the street also engages in my solo,
subjective, individual event... in fact, no one outside of myself,
can speak for my own private, subjective event...
if it happened to me, it must be a universal event..
and that is simple not true...

an example of this is the fact that I was born with a severe hearing loss,
just because this event happened to me, doesn't mean it has happened
to everyone else.. and today I am legally deaf.. and yet, I cannot
assume that because it happened to me, it has happened to everyone
else.. we cannot assume a private, individual act that has occurred to me,
has occurred to everyone else...

your experience with god is your own private, individual, subjective
event and not transferable to anyone else..... and as it is a private,
subjective event, it can only be used to say that it is your god, not
anyone else's...a private event cannot be used to indicate a public,
universal event...

Kropotkin

[iambiguous]

Pick one:

1] Meno
2] Ecmandu
3] phenomenal_graffiti
4] her

[Peter Kropotkin]

Pick one:

1] Meno
2] Ecmandu
3] phenomenal_graffiti
4] her

number 2...the same kind of insanity...

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

Pick one:

1] Meno
2] Ecmandu
3] phenomenal_graffiti
4] her

number 2...the same kind of insanity...

Kropotkin

Oh look, an inside ILP joke, witless to the extreme.

To whatever degree of insanity you have me pegged is equal in measure to you both and your lack of intellectual capacity.

[attofishpi]

as I am not going to wade through this wall of text...

A wall of text!!?
You mean, since you have this massive bias:
"That there is no God, the bible on the whole is rubbish, Christ never existed."

You feel confronted by the rational details I explained pertaining to God, and my experience of IT, that you have no method to refute what I have explained.

I shall respond in this manner...

..by providing a bunch of irrational waffle.

what you describe as events from god, 99% of everyone on planet earth has never felt, heard or seen...to say, because I have felt/seen/heard something, doesn't make it a universal event..

No. The evidence above I have made clear to ALL - it IS evidence from the reality we all share.

your experience with god is your own private, individual, subjective
event and not transferable to anyone else....

Yes, my personal experiences that permitted me to comprehend that God does exist cannot be used as evidence in their own right.
But what I have investigated re the KEY language anamolies, and anomalies upon the landmasses I have painted from the globe we share, can.

So Peter, below are what you will need to be convinced of to comprehend that what I present is indeed PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, that God exists.

1. God is omnipotent to what we perceive as reality.
2. That KEY words within the English language have been construed into their present form by God.
3. The attributes I ascribed to God are from 25 years of experience, empirical evidence provided to me personally that I analysed to permit such definition to this God entity. Some examples of those experiences are clear within the thread "Simulation or Divine Reality"
4. Paintings of landmasses to scale that I have done (as requested by God\sage, that I do art) accompanied WITH words, names of locations that are extremely unlikely to have just occurred by chance, at the key points on the landmass.

ALL of the above, if you had bothered to actually read I have proven, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT - clearly your extreme atheist bias, renders you unreasonable on this account as per your statement:- "..I am not going to wade through this wall of text."

You truly should not be on a philosophy forum.

Indeed, how did you feel about this, just another part of a "wall of text?"

PHILOSOPHY: Love of Wisdom.

Two men, on par with intelligence and knowledge:
Man A = atheist
Man B = theist
Indeed the ONLY difference between the two with regard to their reasoning and pursuit of knowledge is that Man B understands that it is wise to believe that there is a God and live his life accordingly, knowing that there may be consequences beyond man's 'justice', indeed, there may be the POSSIBILITY of greater insight.

Which of the two men has the POTENTIAL for greater knowledge?

WHICH ONE IS THE WISER OF THE TWO, indeed the TRUE PHILOSOPHER?

[Peter Kropotkin]

as I am not going to wade through this wall of text...

A wall of text!!?
You mean, since you have this massive bias:
"That there is no God, the bible on the whole is rubbish, Christ never existed."

You feel confronted by the rational details I explained pertaining to God, and my experience of IT, that you have no method to refute what I have explained.

I shall respond in this manner...

..by providing a bunch of irrational waffle.

what you describe as events from god, 99% of everyone on planet earth has never felt, heard or seen...to say, because I have felt/seen/heard something, doesn't make it a universal event..

No. The evidence above I have made clear to ALL - it IS evidence from the reality we all share.

your experience with god is your own private, individual, subjective
event and not transferable to anyone else....

Yes, my personal experiences that permitted me to comprehend that God does exist cannot be used as evidence in their own right.
But what I have investigated re the KEY language anamolies, and anomalies upon the landmasses I have painted from the globe we share, can.

So Peter, below are what you will need to be convinced of to comprehend that what I present is indeed PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, that God exists.

1. God is omnipotent to what we perceive as reality.
2. That KEY words within the English language have been construed into their present form by God.
3. The attributes I ascribed to God are from 25 years of experience, empirical evidence provided to me personally that I analysed to permit such definition to this God entity. Some examples of those experiences are clear within the thread "Simulation or Divine Reality"
4. Paintings of landmasses to scale that I have done (as requested by God\sage, that I do art) accompanied WITH words, names of locations that are extremely unlikely to have just occurred by chance, at the key points on the landmass.

ALL of the above, if you had bothered to actually read I have proven, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT - clearly your extreme atheist bias, renders you unreasonable on this account as per your statement:- "..I am not going to wade through this wall of text."

You truly should not be on a philosophy forum.

Indeed, how did you feel about this, just another part of a "wall of text?"

PHILOSOPHY: Love of Wisdom.

Two men, on par with intelligence and knowledge:
Man A = atheist
Man B = theist
Indeed the ONLY difference between the two with regard to their reasoning and pursuit of knowledge is that Man B understands that it is wise to believe that there is a God and live his life accordingly, knowing that there may be consequences beyond man's 'justice', indeed, there may be the POSSIBILITY of greater insight.

Which of the two men has the POTENTIAL for greater knowledge?

WHICH ONE IS THE WISER OF THE TWO, indeed the TRUE PHILOSOPHER?

K: you got to admit, you tend to create a whole lot of text when you write...
and I did read every single word you wrote... I just wasn't gonna respond
line for line in a "wall of text"...so let us take just one aspect of what you
wrote...

you discussed "coincidence" of how the words in English lined up..
and the problem there is that there are over 7,000 languages in the
world.. or for example, what about English as it was written centuries ago?
Or Read the American "Declaration of Independence" it uses language far
differently than we use it today...or read Hamlet.. it is extremely
different than the way English is used today..
What makes sense to you, stops making sense if we put context in it...

Now that is just one example of my having problems with what you wrote..

Now I have been engaged with philosophy for over 45 years, or since High School...
So, I am guessing that is longer than you have been alive.. so, trust me when I say,
Philosophy isn't about the "love of wisdom" Love is fickle and comes and goes..
I am not into philosophy for the "love of wisdom" I am in philosophy because
I have questions.. questions that aren't solved by religions or god or even science..

to me, from the very day we are born, we are faced with questions,
'What am I to do?" "What can I know?" ''What can I hope for?" the so-called
Kantian questions.. existence is not an answer but a question...
One might argue that because I haven't found "My answers" that I have
failed or I should stop seeking or worse yet, find answers in the lies/isms
offered by the state/society/culture.. like you have done... seeking answers
the weak ass ism's and ideologies of the state/the culture/ society...
I am not going to reach down, I am reaching up.. and easy answers like
the ones you have, have no interest to me... I am seeking something better
than phony religions and gods like yours that deny me as a human being...
to accept god is to accept the modern day nihilism like capitalism
and our pretend democracies of today... I have no interest in that...

I will not accept answers, like you have, that cheapen me as a human being
if there is a god, then you and me, human beings have no value and I do not
accept that.. I have value because I am human, not because I am a pet of god...

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

you discussed "coincidence" of how the words in English lined up..
and the problem there is that there are over 7,000 languages in the
world.. or for example, what about English as it was written centuries ago?
Or Read the American "Declaration of Independence" it uses language far
differently than we use it today...or read Hamlet.. it is extremely
different than the way English is used today..
What makes sense to you, stops making sense if we put context in it...

Peter, this proves to me that if you did in fact read the "Simulation or Divine Reality?" thread as you stated 4 times, that you at best skimmed it, since I did in the OP cover the above.

The English language is the primary language upon our planet. If a person from China and a person from Japan are to converse, they are likely to talk in English if neither has the others' language under their belt. That is to say, that English has become the default secondary language around the planet, so it makes sense that the omnipotent God to our reality, if it was to single out a language for comprehension of such, would embed intracies within it.

Further, and more to your point, these KEY words with the logical intracies that could have only been manifested by an overarching intelligence, God, have been formed into their present form via the minds of man (at the sub-atomic level it operates as per the listed attributes) where it can switch synapses etc, within the brain matter of us.

So, it is my opinion that over time in the future, if this God wishes to keep these KEY words in their current form, then it will.

I do have an interest in French however, and in time will like to learn the language, I see some anomlies within that language.

Je_wish ( "I" _wish ...Jews wish for their messiah still)
Je_sus ("I" _sus ....suspect there is more to real eyes about Christ)

Now I have been engaged with philosophy for over 45 years, or since High School...
So, I am guessing that is longer than you have been alive.. so, trust me when I say,
Philosophy isn't about the "love of wisdom" Love is fickle and comes and goes..
I am not into philosophy for the "love of wisdom" I am in philosophy because
I have questions.. questions that aren't solved by religions or god or even science..

to me, from the very day we are born, we are faced with questions,
'What am I to do?" "What can I know?" ''What can I hope for?" the so-called
Kantian questions.. existence is not an answer but a question...

I agree, and from my point of view, knowledge of God answers few questions, but it does raise FAR more. It smacks in the face of Occams Razor.

One might argue that because I haven't found "My answers" that I have
failed or I should stop seeking or worse yet, find answers in the lies/isms
offered by the state/society/culture.. like you have done... seeking answers
the weak ass ism's and ideologies of the state/the culture/ society...
I am not going to reach down, I am reaching up.. and easy answers like
the ones you have, have no interest to me...

What easy answers!?

I am seeking something better
than phony religions and gods like yours that deny me as a human being...

In what way would a God's existence deny you as a human being, when you consider that it clearly wants us to question the bible where it permitted phoneticall to be identical to "buy_bull" - The very opening of which, Genesis where the apparently the Earth and light was spoken into existence - don't you think at the outset, it wants those of more rational ilk to question, not to just accept such nonsense from that point on?

..to accept god is to accept the modern day nihilism like capitalism
and our pretend democracies of today... I have no interest in that...I am in philosophy because
I have questions.. questions that aren't solved by religions or god or even science..
to me, from the very day we are born, we are faced with questions,
'What am I to do?" "What can I know?" ''What can I hope for?" the so-called
Kantian questions.. existence is not an answer but a question...

And comprehending God - and not in the typical evangelical buy_bull form - but questioning it as it has proven to me it wants, does that still not provide any hope for you in relation to your questions: "'What am I to do?" "What can I know?" ''What can I hope for?"

[promethean75]

Mr. Shermer would like to have a word with you, fish

[attofishpi]

Mr. Shermer would like to have a word with you, fish

The guy is a short sighted fool so little wonder that you posted it.

[promethean75]

Ew I got one.

If Mr. Shermer had a gun, and you were in a barrel, what would it be like?

[promethean75]

no but i get it. you put some time in that rather creative post of yours and the some obnoxious asshole like me comes along and cracks a joke about it.

imma tell you some shit on a kryto-kierkegaardian level, mate. you have to know that no 'god' would expect a reader of that post to consider anything in it to be credible and taken seriously.

but here's where it gets meta, mate. let's grant that the things about 'god' in that post are true. let's say that the 'god' purposely shaped the south american continent to look like a boob, for instance. does he therefore expect us to believe the idea and the people who tell us about it... or does he still understand the utter incredibility of that post and those ideas as they would be perceived by those like me?

granting that the 'god' itself is the author of the human intellect, logic, order, etc., it would have created a direct contradiction if it became angered by those who exercise these very things that the 'god' designed, in their skeptical disposition and in approaching a post like yours above.

a continent that 'god' designed to look like a tit. that's just bloody brilliant, mate.

[promethean75]

it comes down to this. why would 'god" burden only me with such skepticism and not you?

why does he make it so you are able to believe that stuff and not me? if it's all true and I'm too dumb to understand and therefore believe it, then I'm not to blame for that either. if at some point i am to have an experience of 'god', 'god' would have the authority to indict me then, but certainly not now.

no competent 'god' would involve itself in a silly situation like that, mate. ergo, a 'god' who designed a continent like a boob and only gave eternal life and a seat beside him at his throne to those who'd believe such a thing, is not a 'god' I'd wish to embarrass myself by sitting next to.

thank you and good day.

[promethean75]

let me revise my position a bit. I'm saying neither that it is illogical that a 'god' would design a continent shaped like a boob, nor that a 'god' couldn't have sufficient reason for doing so. the idea/statement, itself, is not logically preposterous, involves no deductive contradiction, and 'for all i know' could be true.

the problem would revolve around the believability of it and 'god's' attitude toward those who disbelieve it. it is essentially an ethical problem, not a metaphysical one. just sayin.

[attofishpi]

let me revise my position a bit. I'm saying neither that it is illogical that a 'god' would design a continent shaped like a boob, nor that a 'god' couldn't have sufficient reason for doing so. the idea/statement, itself, is not logically preposterous, involves no deductive contradiction, and 'for all i know' could be true.

the problem would revolve around the believability of it and 'god's' attitude toward those who disbelieve it. it is essentially an ethical problem, not a metaphysical one. just sayin.

Not sure Y U think it is an ethical issue?

Also, it's not just "a continent shaped like a boob" - more to the point is the names of locations up on the landmass - BRA_zeal, NATAL, CHILE - "A chill up your spine", as the saying goes:

Chile is a long thin backbone to South America - CHILL UP YOUR SPINE? - BRA_zil - on the NIPPLE has a town called NATAL - which means:- Of or relating to childbirth.
ANOTHER RANDOM COIN_CIDENCE?

NATAL (South America to scale)