the two tracks of modernity

[Peter Kropotkin]

we have two tracks of modernity.. we first have the "Enlightenment"
and the second track is what followed the "Enlightenment" which
is the "Romantic era"... so, we can follow history since, say the
French Revolution or if you prefer, 1800.. as the beginning marker...
as the 'Enlightenment" was over by some accounts as early as 1720 or
by some accounts by the French Revolution.. but it most believe
that the ''Enlightenment" was over by 1750.... and the next stage,
the ''Romantic Era" began with the publication of Goethe's book,
"The Sorrows of young Werther" the so called "Storm and Stress''
period of German history.. this "Romantic Era" has lasted until today...
for example, the conservative of today yearns for a return to the
Middle Ages....or at least a return to a America that never existed..
some sort of idealized, fictional 1950's... Ronald Raygun said as much...

You can see this "Romantic" understanding of history in the false
beliefs of the Nazi's.. in their idealized, fictional belief in the
superiority of the Aryans... as there is in fact, no such thing...

you can this fantasy beliefs at work in modern conservativism...
the allege superiority of the white people, or the wealthy or
of Americans... these "Romantic beliefs" that some are superior to
others because of race, creed, color, sexual orientation, or sex..
is just another example of "Romantic" beliefs..

and we have the other side, the "Enlightenment" aspect of modernity,
which is the scientific, technological side of the modern world..
where the world follows the evidence, the facts presented by reality..
and we follow that.. and not the fictional hopes of indoctrinations that
we have yet to overcome... indoctrinations of "Romantic" beliefs like
the belief in god, America being exceptional, the superiority of Capitalism...

These "Romantic" notions do nothing to bring about a clear and realistic understanding
of the world... experience has shown us the failure of capitalism as well as
the failure of communism and the ongoing failure of conservativism....

Let us walk away from our indoctrinations of the ''Romantic" notions we have,
of god, of America the great, of capitalism, and return to reality...
(income inequality has proven the failure of capitalism.. when 500 people
have as much wealth as over half the world's population, that is a sign of failure)

so, how do we begin a return to reality? How do we forgo our current
"Romantic" delusions that plague the modern conservative movement?

by a return to the reality of experiences... we judge who we are and the world
around us by the experiences we see, feel, hear, touch, smell, and taste....
we don't judge our experiences by already formed theories and indoctrinations..
we judge experiences as they happen, not as we wish them to appear...
we no longer base our experiences by values that were installed in us as
children, indoctrinated into us.. but by forming an understanding of the
experiences as we experience them.... I don't judge people to be
violent for example, unless some people are actually violent..
and we learn through experience, what to watch for in regard to
violent people....by watching their gait, their actions, their beliefs,
who they are, I can better judge who will be violent and who won't be..
I can guess, but I can't be sure, that women will be less violent than men...
and that lesson has been shown to be the value of experiences of my life...
it is an absolute experience that women will be less violent than men,
no, but it is more of a chance that women will be less violent than men..
we can't judge events as absolute, but we can judge events and people
by how often we encounter them in regards to violence... In my life,
women have been less violent than men, but in your experience, perhaps,
that women are more violent than men.. I doubt it, but it is possible....

the possibilities of women being less violent than men, drive our
actions and beliefs... because we have seen less violent women than
men, we hold the belief that women are less violent than men...
but it is really based on experiences and the random nature of people's
actions..

so, we base our judgements of the world based upon probabilities
and chance that we see in our lives... but some instead of reacting
to the evidence, the probabilities of existence, and hold to the indoctrinations
of others to judge the actions of people.. holding to the invalid perception
that people are unable to change.. that once born "evil'' that they cannot
do anything else other than "evil" this perception is based on distorted and
faulty, invalid perceptions of the world and the people within the world....

so, how do you see the world? do you see the world through your
indoctrinations or through your everyday vision of what you see,
hear, touch, feel, smell, and taste of the universe... it is through
the senses that we can an understanding of the universe...
and through the experiences of the world in which we view
through the senses of our bodies....

Kropotkin

[phyllo]

So Romanticism is bad.

[Peter Kropotkin]

So Romanticism is bad.

K: ok, So, make a defense of Romanticism... including the Nazi and MAGA brand
of Romanticism...

Kropotkin

[phyllo]

So Romanticism is bad.

K: ok, So, make a defense of Romanticism... including the Nazi and MAGA brand
of Romanticism...

Kropotkin

MAGA and Nazi are not Romanticism.

If Nazis and MAGA supporters drank Coca-Cola, it would not make Coca-Cola bad as a result.

[phyllo]

Hitler had a German Shepherd.

What can we conclude about German Shepherds from that?

Nothing.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Ok, let us first walk-through Romanticism...

as defined by my friends at Wiki...

"Romanticism was characterized by its emphasis on emotion,
and individualism, clandestine literature, idealization of nature,
suspicion of science and industrialization, and glorification of the
past with a strong preference for the medieval rather than the classical"

Romanticism had a major impact on conservativism and nationalism...

"It (Romanticism) folk art and ancient custom to something noble...."

Romanticism was defined by its anti-intellectualism... it considered
emotions/feelings as king..it was by its very reaction, part of the
counter-Enlightenment...

let us think about Nazism: it was defined by its Romanticism.. Nazi's
idealized the past, especially the Medieval period.. it was about emotions
and feelings, and Nazi's were anti-intellectual... hence the burning of the books...
the Nazi's was obsessed about folk art and this ideal of the Aryan...which
isn't about the present or the future, but an ideal from the past.. the
Nazi's were about recreating an idealized past... the attack on Jews
recreates the Medieval pogroms from the past.... one of the prominent
features of Romanticism was from its belief in nationalism....
and the Nazi's were all about nationalism and the superiority of
the German nation/people...

the entire Nazi agenda came straight from the impact of nationalism..
you can draw a straight line from Romanticism to the Nazi party..

next conservatism

Kropotkin

[Peter Kropotkin]

as promised, the second half on conservatism...

in the above post about Nazi's, you could replace the word
Nazi with conservative and every statement will still be correct..

The Nazi agenda is the conservative agenda.. idealize the past.. check,
anti-intellectual.. check... believes in the ideal of purity... check..
hatred of books.. check.. believes in nationalism... check.. hatred
of anyone different.. jews, women, gays, communists, colored people.. check...
a strong belief in dictatorships.. check.. hatred of democracies... check...
hatred of the notion of equality... check.. a bogus claim to being law and order..
check..

In fact, in comparing the conservative agenda vs the Nazi agenda,
one is hard pressed to spot a difference.. so instead of attacking me for
this, how about you tell me the difference between the Nazi agenda
and the conservative agenda... I'll wait...

next the MAGA agenda..

Kropotkin

[Peter Kropotkin]

so we are now in the MAGA portion of the program...

let us compare the Nazi agenda with the MAGA agenda...

anti-intellectualism.. check.. banning/burning books.. check...
loves Der Fuhrer.. can you spot a difference between Hitler and IQ45?
I can't....so check...hates democracies.. check... hates anyone different..
gays, women, communist, colored folk... I have heard many a MAGAHAT
demand the death of gays and trans people and liberals...
(even here in liberal California, I have seen T-shirts about tossing liberals in jail)
the MAGA/conservatives believes in hate and anger over love and peace.. check

the MAGAHAT isn't as quite focused on the idealization of the past as the average
conservative.. but it is there.. Outside of the average MAGAHAT focus on
conspiracies.. there isn't a whole lot of difference between the average
MAGAHAT and the average conservative.... both are invested into
emotions and feeling before and above thought and rational belief..

the MAGA crowd claims to be law and order, but after Jan 6 2020,
attempted overthrow of the lawful government, we know different...

I would say that the MAGA party is an offshoot of the conservative party...
and is very connected in style, form, ideals and ideas with the Nazi's....

Kropotkin