Freedom and Guns

[Nick_A]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free. They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move. Freedom requires defense but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them. One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns. They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

[trokanmariel]

Gun ownership, is the inherent logic of central government. Central government meaning a representative democracy structure of government, means that people having guns is inherent logic, because representative democracy means the state of ignoring other people.

Central government means territory, and it means war.
Territory means exclusion, whereas war means exclusion.
The whereas of the state is the problem.

[RCSaunders]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free. They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move. Freedom requires defense but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them. One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns. They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

More than 115,000 Ukrainian Refugees Have Crossed Into Poland, already, and there is a steady stream of those intelligent enough to leave.

Those who stay to, "fight," are not heroes, and not fighting for freedom. They are idiots fighting for a government that is nearly as oppressive as any Soviet government.

It has nothing to do with guns. Guns are not the only things governments try to take away from individuals (and anybody that really wants guns can have them anywhere, if they are willing to pay price--I know because I've always had them, even where banned, and carried them too). Unfortunately, those who think guns are a way to freedom do not know their true purpose in defense, and are aggressors in whose hands they are dangerous. Anyone can have freedom if they want it too, but freedom means, "freedom from government." Government is the only threat to any individual's freedom.

[Impenitent]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-ord ... high-alert

Does the most freedom come to he who uses the biggest guns...

-Imp

[henry quirk]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

No.

A gun means you can feed yourself and others.

A gun means you can defend yourself and others.

A gun can keep you alive and back up your no, I will not.

A gun can keep the Reaper at bay and your neck unblemished by the leash.

No matter what: never give up your gun.

[Nick_A]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free. They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move. Freedom requires defense but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them. One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns. They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

More than 115,000 Ukrainian Refugees Have Crossed Into Poland, already, and there is a steady stream of those intelligent enough to leave.

Those who stay to, "fight," are not heroes, and not fighting for freedom. They are idiots fighting for a government that is nearly as oppressive as any Soviet government.

It has nothing to do with guns. Guns are not the only things governments try to take away from individuals (and anybody that really wants guns can have them anywhere, if they are willing to pay price--I know because I've always had them, even where banned, and carried them too). Unfortunately, those who think guns are a way to freedom do not know their true purpose in defense, and are aggressors in whose hands they are dangerous. Anyone can have freedom if they want it too, but freedom means, "freedom from government." Government is the only threat to any individual's freedom.

The thread is not concerned with how free Ukraine has become but if freedom is possible for a country as an ideal once it has given up its ability to defend itself with guns? Back in 1914 Bill Clinton convinced leaders in Ukraine to give up their nukes for the promise of safety. We see what happened.

Freedom to pursue capitalism leads to wealth. That wealth is a threat to communist countries which cannot allow it to thrive. It needs to be protected by guns. All the peace lovers who insist on abandoning guns are oblivious that in the real world, might makes right rather than wonderful thoughts. Surrender your guns is surrendering freedom. "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

[Nick_A]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

No.

A gun means you can feed yourself and others.

A gun means you can defend yourself and others.

A gun can keep you alive and back up your no, I will not.

A gun can keep the Reaper at bay and your neck unblemished by the leash.

No matter what: never give up your gun.

True, but is a free society and its benefits even possible without the ability of its citizens to defend itself with guns? Should the gun in the nuclear family be considered a noble symbol of defense or should it be considered a tool of attack as it is now by the left?

[Age]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

Yes.

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free.

You OBVIOUSLY have a VERY DIFFERENT version of 'being free' than "others" do.

They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move.

Do you REALLY think or BELIEVE that ridding the 'world' of nuclear weapons is a MISTAKE, then so be it. But a LOT of people SEE, literally, OTHER-WISE.

Freedom requires defense

In what 'world' is 'defense' NEEDED for 'freedom'?

In a Truly FREE 'world' the is NOTHING human beings would NOT be doing some 'thing', which 'you', human beings would NEED 'defending' FROM.

but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

Are 'you', adult human beings, NOT ABLE TO to defend 'them'?

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them.

AGAIN, what is with this "left" OR "right" VERSION of 'things'?

If that is what the so-called "left" WANTS, then what does the so-called "right" WANT?

One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns.

Just LOL, LOL, AND LOL.

They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

So, to you, guns and weapons are used to defend "yourselves" against those of "yourselves" with guns and weapons, correct?

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom

Here is the PRIME attempt at "justification" of OWNING and HAVING weapons.

And the OBVIOUS ABSURDITY and HYPOCRISY of this type of CLAIM, SPEAKS VOLUMES for ITSELF.

and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

Let us FIGHT and KILL human beings, FOR the 'freedom' of human beings, right?

[henry quirk]

True, but is a free society and its benefits even possible without the ability of its citizens to defend itself with guns? Should the gun in the nuclear family be considered a noble symbol of defense or should it be considered a tool of attack as it is now by the left?

I thought I answered...let me check...yep, I answered.

[Age]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free. They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move. Freedom requires defense but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them. One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns. They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

More than 115,000 Ukrainian Refugees Have Crossed Into Poland, already, and there is a steady stream of those intelligent enough to leave.

Those who stay to, "fight," are not heroes, and not fighting for freedom. They are idiots fighting for a government that is nearly as oppressive as any Soviet government.

VERY True.

And, the reason human beings would say, "fight", and, " let us KILL 'them' ", for ANY reason, SHOWS and PROVE just how 'oppressed' and NOT 'free' these ones Truly ARE.

It has nothing to do with guns. Guns are not the only things governments try to take away from individuals (and anybody that really wants guns can have them anywhere, if they are willing to pay price--I know because I've always had them, even where banned, and carried them too). Unfortunately, those who think guns are a way to freedom do not know their true purpose in defense, and are aggressors in whose hands they are dangerous. Anyone can have freedom if they want it too, but freedom means, "freedom from government." Government is the only threat to any individual's freedom.

[Age]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

No.

A gun means you can feed yourself and others.

Have you NOT heard of a supermarket or store?

A gun means you can defend yourself and others.

Defend from 'what', EXACTLY?

A human being with aggression and/or a weapon?

If the 'aggression' and/or 'weapon' is REMOVED, then what ELSE is there for you to defend "yourself" FROM?

A gun can keep you alive and back up your no, I will not.

LOL That is REALLY working with "vladimir putin" and/or "russia", correct?

A gun can keep the Reaper at bay and your neck unblemished by the leash.

You are so NOT FREE 'you' are being STRANGLED by your OWN BELIEF in guns here "henry quirk".

It is YOUR ownership of a gun, "henry quirk", the very reason WHY "others" take up 'arms'. They NEED to defend "themselves" FROM those with guns, just like 'you', "henry quirk".

No matter what: never give up your gun.

Because they will REALLY protect you from NUCLEAR MISSILES and WARHEADS, correct "henry quirk"?

If no, then 'what' does YOUR gun "protect" 'you' from, EXACTLY?

[Age]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

People in the Ukraine value freedom so much that they are willing to fight to the death for the sake of the ability to be free. They made one mistake. In 1994 The Ukraine surrendered their nukes to Russia for the sake of peace. Bad move. Freedom requires defense but now lack a counter threat. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Now they are defenseless.

It is the same in the U.S.A. The left wants the people to surrender their guns and trust the government which has defunded the police to protect them. One thing that the Ukraine has proven is that for those valuing freedom and what America was founded upon, should never surrender their guns. They are essential to oppose all the violence the government and its woke policies are inviting to assure statist slavery.

Assuring freedom requires an armed citizenship willing to defend it from all those who oppose freedom and fight to enforce statist slavery by all means possible

More than 115,000 Ukrainian Refugees Have Crossed Into Poland, already, and there is a steady stream of those intelligent enough to leave.

Those who stay to, "fight," are not heroes, and not fighting for freedom. They are idiots fighting for a government that is nearly as oppressive as any Soviet government.

It has nothing to do with guns. Guns are not the only things governments try to take away from individuals (and anybody that really wants guns can have them anywhere, if they are willing to pay price--I know because I've always had them, even where banned, and carried them too). Unfortunately, those who think guns are a way to freedom do not know their true purpose in defense, and are aggressors in whose hands they are dangerous. Anyone can have freedom if they want it too, but freedom means, "freedom from government." Government is the only threat to any individual's freedom.

The thread is not concerned with how free Ukraine has become but if freedom is possible for a country as an ideal once it has given up its ability to defend itself with guns?

Probably the most FREE country in the whole world, in the day when this is being written, is the country of the "sentilenese" people. And, the chance there is a gun in that country would be next to absolute ZERO.

Back in 1914 Bill Clinton convinced leaders in Ukraine to give up their nukes for the promise of safety. We see what happened.

Yes, we can CLEARLY SEE what has happened. That is; ANOTHER "politician" has LIED. Which was NOT really surprising AT ALL, in the days when this was being written.

So, NOTHING MORE REALLY to SEE here.

Freedom to pursue capitalism leads to wealth.

Wealth of money, ONLY. And monetary wealth to SOME, ONLY. Which ONLY leads to GREED, JEALOUSY, and WAR. As evidence and PROVED True, ONCE AGAIN, here.

That wealth is a threat to communist countries which cannot allow it to thrive.

And, "vladimar putin's" wealth, is a threat to who, EXACTLY, which can NOT allow it to thrive?

It needs to be protected by guns.

If 'you' say, "vladimir putin's" wealth NEEDS to be 'protected', then so be it. This may be just EXACTLY what "vladimir putin" is ACTUALLY doing.

All the peace lovers who insist on abandoning guns are oblivious that in the real world, might makes right rather than wonderful thoughts.

So, at the moment, when this is being written, in "ukraine" and the 'world', "vladimir putin" IS 'right', according to your "logic" here "nick_a", correct?

Surrender your guns is surrendering freedom. "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

So, we ALL 'should' be doing EXACTLY what "vladimir putin" is doing, correct?

[Age]

Is a free society in this day and age possible to maintain without its population able to own guns?

No.

A gun means you can feed yourself and others.

A gun means you can defend yourself and others.

A gun can keep you alive and back up your no, I will not.

A gun can keep the Reaper at bay and your neck unblemished by the leash.

No matter what: never give up your gun.

True, but is a free society and its benefits even possible without the ability of its citizens to defend itself with guns?

Truly FREE societies have NEVER owned guns.

ONLY the True WEAK and Truly SCARED societies own guns.

Should the gun in the nuclear family be considered a noble symbol of defense or should it be considered a tool of attack as it is now by the left?

ANY gun in the hands of a human being is just ABSURDITY, to say the least.

[henry quirk]

Have you NOT heard of a supermarket or store?

Have you not heard of economic collapse? When the market is gone: what will you eat?

Defend from 'what', EXACTLY?

Autists comin' into my home, uninvited, at 3am, to steal my goddamned toothpicks.

[Age]

True, but is a free society and its benefits even possible without the ability of its citizens to defend itself with guns? Should the gun in the nuclear family be considered a noble symbol of defense or should it be considered a tool of attack as it is now by the left?

I thought I answered...let me check...yep, I answered.

VERY True.