The US Dollar is a fact.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The following is how the OP is related to Morality.

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The existence of the US Dollar is a fact.
Do you deny this?

The US Dollar is not backed by any physical gold standard.
Thus the US Dollar as an ECONOMIC fact is purely mental.

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As person with a personality, do you deny your existence as an empirical 'me' is a fact.
The 'me' [empirical self] as a human fact is mental.
Without the mental 'you' are merely a corpse.

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The generic potential within humans for emotions [mental state*] is a fact.
Analogously,
the generic potential within humans for morality [mental state] is a fact.
* yes, this mental state is supported by the relevant physical.

Facts are referents.

There are no independent referent without any reference to the human conditions.
Note there is no objective reality to any referent,
Donald Hoffman: There is No Objective Reality
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My point,
Moral facts are dominantly mental states, not physical states like rocks and other solid physical materials.

[Veritas Aequitas]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;
viewtopic.php?p=486302#p486302

"The dollar" is a concept. It is represented variously by bits of paper, small metal objects, and lines of computer code. It wholy relies on belief. THe dollar can exist without these things and the existence of these things does not necessitate the existence of the dollar. If you think they do then ask anyone who owns a quantity of cancelled currency.

I asked,
Is the existence of the US Dollar a fact - an economic fact?
Yes or No?

"Economic" is another concept, that is held in the cerebral cortexes of humans.
Like all such things, it is materially and physically represented by what we call concepts.
Without humans there is no dollar, there is no economy and and so on.

Whatever is a fact is represented by a concept of it.

No that would be silly. In this case, if you want to call economy or dollar a fact, then facts are conceptual. You have the cart before the horse.

The US Dollar is an economic fact of value
If state the USD Dollar relies on belief,
then beliefs can be fact, and
fact can be value.

You are just falling down a rabbit hole of your own construction.
You are saying that any belief has to be factual. How stupid is that?
I beleive in fairies, therefore they are factual.
You really need to stop and think about what you are saying.

Do you deny 'there are economic facts'?

Can you repeat and confirm this,
'There are no economic facts.'

I believe in fairies, therefore they are factual.

Suppose, in this case, you are schizophrenic.
Your believing [the mental activities] is factual, the fairies are not factual.
I can justify it is a fact [psychological and neuroscience] you are believing in term of mental processes of believing.

But the fairies cannot be justified as a fact or real until empirical evidence are produced to verify and justified fairies are real within the scientific framework and system.

But the US Dollar is based on belief [not on real gold equivalent].
Despite grounded on belief and trust [which can be verified empirically], the US Dollar is also an economic fact because it can be traded as a real currency of value.
No one at present would deny the US Dollar is objectively real otherwise no one would hold such currency in their bank or in physical pieces of dollars.
It is an economic fact that is represent by its physical correlates in the brain.

If you insist whatever US Dollar you have in the bank or in paper is not a fact, thus not objective real, why don't you just throw them away?

[Atla]

The following is how the OP is related to Morality.

................
The existence of the US Dollar is a fact.
Do you deny this?

The US Dollar is not backed by any physical gold standard.
Thus the US Dollar as an ECONOMIC fact is purely mental.

.....................
As person with a personality, do you deny your existence as an empirical 'me' is a fact.
The 'me' [empirical self] as a human fact is mental.
Without the mental 'you' are merely a corpse.

..................
The generic potential within humans for emotions [mental state*] is a fact.
Analogously,
the generic potential within humans for morality [mental state] is a fact.
* yes, this mental state is supported by the relevant physical.

Facts are referents.

There are no independent referent without any reference to the human conditions.
Note there is no objective reality to any referent,
Donald Hoffman: There is No Objective Reality
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31424

My point,
Moral facts are dominantly mental states, not physical states like rocks and other solid physical materials.

That's why they are called economic facts, and not objective facts. The 'economic' qualifier tells us that we are using the secondary meaning of 'fact' here, we are talking about non-objective facts.

Have you done the 1-2 years of learning English, and then re-reading all the philosophical literature you own in English, as was asked of you?

[Sculptor]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

[Walker]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

Fact is, it's funny money and the monetary standard is hope/faith.

Yes it is.

[Sculptor]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

Fact is, it's funny money and the monetary standard is hope/faith.

Yes it is.

Faith, belief and hope.
And exactly like people having faith in Zeus, the thing they believe in is not real in the normal sense of the word.
Is Zeus a fact is the next question?

[Veritas Aequitas]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

I am surprised you are asking such kindergartenish [philosophy wise] questions.

What is a fact?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

My posts

• What is a Fact?
  viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29486
  
  There are Moral Facts
  viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29777

What, exactly is a dollar?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar
(symbol: $) is the name of more than 20 currencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money


You have not answered my questions;

Do you deny the US Dollar* is not an economic fact.
Do you deny 'there are economic facts'?

*If you are not familiar with the US Dollar, we can refer to the Pound Sterling which is currently not backed by gold and silver.

• At various times, the pound sterling was commodity money or bank notes backed by silver or gold, but it is currently fiat money, with its value determined only by its continued acceptance in the national and international economy. The pound sterling is the world's oldest currency still in use and which has been in continuous use since its inception
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling#History

In this case,
the Pound Sterling is an economic fact represented [not by gold or silver] by mental forces with physical brain matters.

Can you repeat and confirm this,
'There are no economic facts.'

Don't try to evade to Zeus which is not comparable to the above economic facts.

[Veritas Aequitas]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

Fact is, it's funny money and the monetary standard is hope/faith.

Yes it is.

Agree.
Wonder why Sculptor could not cognize that which is so obvious.

[Sculptor]

A relevant discussion to the above OP;

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

I am surprised you are asking such kindergartenish [philosophy wise] questions.

I'm asking you. because you do not seem to know.
Any moron can cite wiki. But you need a brain, which you seem to be lacking, to apply that information.

Maybe you would do well you use your own words and apply them directly to the topic at hand?

[Veritas Aequitas]

What is a fact?
What, exactly is a dollar?

I am surprised you are asking such kindergartenish [philosophy wise] questions.

I'm asking you. because you do not seem to know.
Any moron can cite wiki. But you need a brain, which you seem to be lacking, to apply that information.

Maybe you would do well you use your own words and apply them directly to the topic at hand?

What I cite from Wiki is basic knowledge.

You have not answered my questions;

Do you deny the US Dollar* is not an economic fact.
Do you deny 'there are economic facts'?

• *If you are not familiar with the US Dollar, we can refer to the Pound Sterling which is currently not backed by gold and silver.
  • At various times, the pound sterling was commodity money or bank notes backed by silver or gold, but it is currently fiat money, with its value determined only by its continued acceptance in the national and international economy. The pound sterling is the world's oldest currency still in use and which has been in continuous use since its inception
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling#History

In this case,
the Pound Sterling is an economic fact represented [not by gold or silver] by mental forces with physical brain matters.

Can you repeat and confirm this,
'There are no economic facts.'

Don't be chicken and a coward, what are your answers to the above?

[Belinda]

Besides money, there are other concepts which make sense and are active motivators in the absence of obvious referents: university, church, government, history, physiology, the art of Michelangelo, my ability to ride a bicycle, why people choose their names for this forum.

I say "obvious referents". We do not know what exactly goes on inside someone's dura mater when they think "money", however there are good arguments that something is happening among neurons that correlates with the word and concept.

Not only does "money" correlate with neuronal activity it also correlates with intersubjective FSKs and FSBs much of which correlate with measurable physical things and events such as coins, buildings, wheels, paintings and so forth.

[Sculptor]

I am surprised you are asking such kindergartenish [philosophy wise] questions.

I'm asking you. because you do not seem to know.
Any moron can cite wiki. But you need a brain, which you seem to be lacking, to apply that information.

Maybe you would do well you use your own words and apply them directly to the topic at hand?

What I cite from Wiki is basic knowledge.

You have not answered my questions;

Do you deny the US Dollar* is not an economic fact.
Do you deny 'there are economic facts'?

• *If you are not familiar with the US Dollar, we can refer to the Pound Sterling which is currently not backed by gold and silver.
  • At various times, the pound sterling was commodity money or bank notes backed by silver or gold, but it is currently fiat money, with its value determined only by its continued acceptance in the national and international economy. The pound sterling is the world's oldest currency still in use and which has been in continuous use since its inception
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling#History

In this case,
the Pound Sterling is an economic fact represented [not by gold or silver] by mental forces with physical brain matters.

Can you repeat and confirm this,
'There are no economic facts.'

Don't be chicken and a coward, what are your answers to the above?

You've not told me what you think a fact is. Until you do my answer will not reflect my position because you do not have a clear idea of the meaning of "fact".
For the moment I will state that currencies are faith based ideas, that work when and only when they are accepted by a large number of people.
That does not make them "real".

[Sculptor]

Besides money, there are other concepts which make sense and are active motivators in the absence of obvious referents: university, church, government, history, physiology, the art of Michelangelo, my ability to ride a bicycle, why people choose their names for this forum.

I say "obvious referents". We do not know what exactly goes on inside someone's dura mater when they think "money", however there are good arguments that something is happening among neurons that correlates with the word and concept.

Not only does "money" correlate with neuronal activity it also correlates with intersubjective FSKs and FSBs much of which correlate with measurable physical things and events such as coins, buildings, wheels, paintings and so forth.

Anyone who has possession of obsolete coinage knows full well that the value of a coin is not inherent in its material, and has little intrinsic value. The same can be said for all faith based ideas; when people chose not to beleive they loose their meanings and values, like God.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I'm asking you. because you do not seem to know.
Any moron can cite wiki. But you need a brain, which you seem to be lacking, to apply that information.

Maybe you would do well you use your own words and apply them directly to the topic at hand?

What I cite from Wiki is basic knowledge.

You have not answered my questions;

Do you deny the US Dollar* is not an economic fact.
Do you deny 'there are economic facts'?

• *If you are not familiar with the US Dollar, we can refer to the Pound Sterling which is currently not backed by gold and silver.
  • At various times, the pound sterling was commodity money or bank notes backed by silver or gold, but it is currently fiat money, with its value determined only by its continued acceptance in the national and international economy. The pound sterling is the world's oldest currency still in use and which has been in continuous use since its inception
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling#History

In this case,
the Pound Sterling is an economic fact represented [not by gold or silver] by mental forces with physical brain matters.

Can you repeat and confirm this,
'There are no economic facts.'

Don't be chicken and a coward, what are your answers to the above?

You've not told me what you think a fact is. Until you do my answer will not reflect my position because you do not have a clear idea of the meaning of "fact".

For the moment I will state that currencies are faith based ideas, that work when and only when they are accepted by a large number of people.
That does not make them "real".

I have already explained what a fact is a "1000" times.
Note I linked these;

My posts

• What is a Fact? by VA
  viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29486
  
  There are Moral Facts by VA
  viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29777
  
  I am very familiar with your idea of 'what is fact', as inherited from the bastardized philosophies of the logical positivist.
  To you and PH, a fact is a feature of reality, i.e. a state of affairs, that is the case. Fact has truth value.
  E.g. "the Sun is 93 million miles from Earth" is about the fact "the Sun is 93 million miles from Earth", which is merely linguistic which does not tell us the real truth of reality.
  or
  'Water is H20" is about the fact "Water is H2O" without any reference to the Chemistry FSK established and maintained by human scientists, plus the various conditions and limitations that contribute to the above fact.
  

  For the moment I will state that currencies are faith based ideas, that work when and only when they are accepted by a large number of people.
  That does not make them "real".

  You are so ignorant that currencies are economic facts.
  
  You also ignorant "accepted by a large number of people" which has to be accepted within a framework and system, in this case, the economic FSK.
  Currencies based on truth will not work if there is no framework and system to institute them as real objective facts.
  
  If you believe currencies are not real, thus unreal, why don't you throw whatever money you have on hand.
  
  Economic facts are an acceptable term by all [average intelligence] who are aware of it.
  How can you deny that?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Besides money, there are other concepts which make sense and are active motivators in the absence of obvious referents: university, church, government, history, physiology, the art of Michelangelo, my ability to ride a bicycle, why people choose their names for this forum.

I say "obvious referents". We do not know what exactly goes on inside someone's dura mater when they think "money", however there are good arguments that something is happening among neurons that correlates with the word and concept.

Not only does "money" correlate with neuronal activity it also correlates with intersubjective FSKs and FSBs much of which correlate with measurable physical things and events such as coins, buildings, wheels, paintings and so forth.

Agree.

Sculptor et. al. is not intelligent and reflective enough to grasp the above.