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"There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:22 am
by henry quirk
Why?
the answer is obvious
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 am
by surreptitious57
One : we are not actually hardwired to be universally altruistic
Two : communism doesnt work because people like to own stuff as Frank Zappa said
The first applies to true communism and the second applies to economic communism
You all know the difference so I dont need to tell you what it is
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am
by Age
There was once true communism.
And, there still might be.
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:17 pm
by henry quirk
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 am
One : we are not actually hardwired to be universally altruistic
Two : communism doesnt work because people like to own stuff as Frank Zappa said
The first applies to true communism and the second applies to economic communism
You all know the difference so I dont need to tell you what it is
bingo...right on the mark...exactly
as far as I'm concerned: this thread is done
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm
by henry quirk
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am
There was once true communism.
And, there still might be.
no, there never was, and there never will be
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm
by Age
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am
There was once true communism.
And, there still might be.
no, there never was, and there never will be
If this is what you BELIEVE is true, then this MUST BE true, to you.
And, if this MUST BE true, to you, then you are OBVIOUSLY NOT open at all in order to be able to learn and understand what thee actual Truth IS.
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:19 pm
by Immanuel Can
Communism fails because it doesn't recognize the existence of evil in "workers" or "the oppressed" or whomever it's campaigning for today. It assumes that they will all operate honestly, truthfully, diligently and in good faith in perpetuity.
But it becomes petulant and dangerous when these hopes (inevitably) fail to materialize, and then starts killing people to prove that it was right all along.
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm
by henry quirk
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am
There was once true communism.
And, there still might be.
no, there never was, and there never will be
If this is what you BELIEVE is true, then this MUST BE true, to you.
And, if this MUST BE true, to you, then you are OBVIOUSLY NOT open at all in order to be able to learn and understand what thee actual Truth IS.
thee actual Truth IS man, while sometimes cooperative, is not communal: he's built to be an individual, not a cog
true communism -- an insect society -- is alien to man, which is why any implementin' of communism is always some kind of state communism (an attempt to fit self-interested square pegs into a selfless round hole)
and: state communism never works cuz it forces individuals to do what true communism would have them do voluntarily (which they won't)
no: what works is freedom...freedom to choose, free to pursue, freedom to go one's own way, freedom to transact, freedom to innovate
free enterprise works (state capitalism, what we have now, is free enterprise's retarded lil brother)
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:29 pm
by Immanuel Can
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm
thee actual Truth IS man,
Have you ever noticed that people who say "there is no truth" then want to turn around and tell you you don't
have the truth?
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:37 pm
by henry quirk
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:29 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm
thee actual Truth IS man,
Have you ever noticed that people who say "there is no truth" then want to turn around and tell you you don't
have the truth?
all the damned time
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:12 pm
by FlashDangerpants
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:22 am
Why?
the answer is obvious
Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:44 pm
by henry quirk
Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?
the natural rights libertarian minarchy I crave is simply an extension of what is fact: a man belongs to himself; a man has a right to his life, liberty, and property
in that sense: any time you witness a person self-directing, bein' self-responsible, you're witnessin' my minarchy
Re: "There has never been true communism."
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:08 pm
by FlashDangerpants
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:44 pm
Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?
the natural rights libertarian minarchy I crave is simply an extension of what is fact: a man belongs to himself; a man has a right to his life, liberty, and property
in that sense: any time you witness a person self-directing, bein' self-responsible, you're witnessin' my minarchy
Cool, so the fact that the night watchman state will never happen and could not work any better than post-communism as envisioned by Marx could, is not actually a problem then. You get a little bit of your political paradise every time you fart in comfort in your la-z-boy recliner.
for shame, flash
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:20 pm
by henry quirk
la-z-boy recliner
that's no way for you to talk about your ma
Sez the Hillbilly whose momma is also his sister
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:37 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Sure, and about the actual point that you have an equally unworkable plan to match those of the commies?
