"There has never been true communism."

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:22 am

Why?

the answer is obvious

surreptitious57 · Post by **surreptitious57** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 am

One : we are not actually hardwired to be universally altruistic

Two : communism doesnt work because people like to own stuff as Frank Zappa said

The first applies to true communism and the second applies to economic communism

You all know the difference so I dont need to tell you what it is

Age · Post by **Age** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am

There was once true communism.

And, there still might be.

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:17 pm

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 am One : we are not actually hardwired to be universally altruistic

Two : communism doesnt work because people like to own stuff as Frank Zappa said

The first applies to true communism and the second applies to economic communism

You all know the difference so I dont need to tell you what it is

bingo...right on the mark...exactly

as far as I'm concerned: this thread is done

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am There was once true communism.

And, there still might be.

no, there never was, and there never will be

Age · Post by **Age** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am There was once true communism.

And, there still might be.
no, there never was, and there never will be

If this is what you BELIEVE is true, then this MUST BE true, to you.

And, if this MUST BE true, to you, then you are OBVIOUSLY NOT open at all in order to be able to learn and understand what thee actual Truth IS.

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:19 pm

Communism fails because it doesn't recognize the existence of evil in "workers" or "the oppressed" or whomever it's campaigning for today. It assumes that they will all operate honestly, truthfully, diligently and in good faith in perpetuity.

But it becomes petulant and dangerous when these hopes (inevitably) fail to materialize, and then starts killing people to prove that it was right all along.

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:20 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:30 am There was once true communism.

And, there still might be.
no, there never was, and there never will be
If this is what you BELIEVE is true, then this MUST BE true, to you.

And, if this MUST BE true, to you, then you are OBVIOUSLY NOT open at all in order to be able to learn and understand what thee actual Truth IS.

thee actual Truth IS man, while sometimes cooperative, is not communal: he's built to be an individual, not a cog

true communism -- an insect society -- is alien to man, which is why any implementin' of communism is always some kind of state communism (an attempt to fit self-interested square pegs into a selfless round hole)

and: state communism never works cuz it forces individuals to do what true communism would have them do voluntarily (which they won't)

no: what works is freedom...freedom to choose, free to pursue, freedom to go one's own way, freedom to transact, freedom to innovate

free enterprise works (state capitalism, what we have now, is free enterprise's retarded lil brother)

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:29 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm thee actual Truth IS man,

Have you ever noticed that people who say "there is no truth" then want to turn around and tell you you don't have the truth?

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:37 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:29 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm thee actual Truth IS man,
Have you ever noticed that people who say "there is no truth" then want to turn around and tell you you don't have the truth?

all the damned time

FlashDangerpants · Post by **FlashDangerpants** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:12 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:22 am Why?

the answer is obvious

Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:44 pm

Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?

the natural rights libertarian minarchy I crave is simply an extension of what is fact: a man belongs to himself; a man has a right to his life, liberty, and property

in that sense: any time you witness a person self-directing, bein' self-responsible, you're witnessin' my minarchy

FlashDangerpants · Post by **FlashDangerpants** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:08 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:44 pm Has there ever been a "true" version of that minarchism you are flogging?

the natural rights libertarian minarchy I crave is simply an extension of what is fact: a man belongs to himself; a man has a right to his life, liberty, and property

in that sense: any time you witness a person self-directing, bein' self-responsible, you're witnessin' my minarchy

Cool, so the fact that the night watchman state will never happen and could not work any better than post-communism as envisioned by Marx could, is not actually a problem then. You get a little bit of your political paradise every time you fart in comfort in your la-z-boy recliner.

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:20 pm

la-z-boy recliner

that's no way for you to talk about your ma

FlashDangerpants · Post by **FlashDangerpants** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:37 pm

Sure, and about the actual point that you have an equally unworkable plan to match those of the commies?

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for shame, flash

Sez the Hillbilly whose momma is also his sister