Extinction Rebellion

[Gary Childress]

So these guys seem to be stirring things up a bit with acts of civil disobedience. Apparently, they've adopted the tactics of Black Lives Matter and are doing things like illegally blocking traffic, protesting without requisite permits, deliberately getting themselves arrested, etc. Their promotional video on the link seems to put emphasis on the words "we demand". What do people here think? Are we past the point of serious debate on the issue and drastic action is now necessary?

[Impenitent]

gird your loins

-Imp

[henry quirk]

So these guys seem to be stirring things up a bit with acts of civil disobedience. Apparently, they've adopted the tactics of Black Lives Matter and are doing things like illegally blocking traffic, protesting without requisite permits, deliberately getting themselves arrested, etc. Their promotional video on the link seems to put emphasis on the words "we demand". What do people here think? Are we past the point of serious debate on the issue and drastic action is now necessary?

First: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.

Second: might be time to beef up the front end and go drivin'.

Third: really, there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.

Fourth: do snowflakes go crunch under wheel?

Fifth: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.

[Gary Childress]

I think they might get more productive use out of putting their resources into the Green Party or just voting for eco-friendly candidates. Somehow I think this kind of civil disobedience will backfire on them as much as it did for BLM. Blocking roads and causing all kinds of mayhem, they're just going to alienate most ordinary law-abiding people from their cause, probably piss people off and get some unnecessary road rage going.

[odysseus]

It is NOT a thesis. It is a rhetorical appeal to action. It simply assumes that climate change is too obvious to debate, like cigarettes being addictive, and the only ones who voice disagreement are either stupid, stubborn or greedy, and with these people, a thesis will hardly work at all. After all, 97% of our scientists have already presented the THESIS. Now it is simply politics, and in this arena, rhetoric is the tool of organization, of motivation, of sounding out!

Of course, there are still those who think climate change is mistaken. All it takes is rhetoric, and this is the game being played. Scientists actually get sidelined because of this. They sit on the bench while the world is propagandized into imbecility.

[Gary Childress]

It is NOT a thesis. It is a rhetorical appeal to action. It simply assumes that climate change is too obvious to debate, like cigarettes being addictive, and the only ones who voice disagreement are either stupid, stubborn or greedy, and with these people, a thesis will hardly work at all. After all, 97% of our scientists have already presented the THESIS. Now it is simply politics, and in this arena, rhetoric is the tool of organization, of motivation, of sounding out!

Of course, there are still those who think climate change is mistaken. All it takes is rhetoric, and this is the game being played. Scientists actually get sidelined because of this. They sit on the bench while the world is propagandized into imbecility.

Those are some good points. Do we know for sure that climate change is going to be catastrophic? Maybe we should just hunker down and ride it out and it perhaps won't be such a bad thing?

[Gary Childress]

First: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.


Third: really, there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.



Fifth: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.

I don't know. I guess we can't be 100% sure of anything right now. But sea level seems as if it will most definitely rise and people will be displaced and we'll probably see more people migrating as refugees to other countries, which will cause even more political instability and tensions (depending on how fast it rises and therefore how fast people are displaced). Also, it seems pretty definite that changes are happening unusually fast which is causing eco-systems to break down because they can't keep up with the rapid changes. If there are mass extinctions, then that will be scary because there are some species that we rely on for our own survival (bee's pollinating crops for example). I mean, it seems like it could be pretty scary stuff.

[henry quirk]

evidence, please

[henry quirk]

First: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.


Third: really, there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.



Fifth: there ain't no Climate and Ecological Emergency.

I don't know. I guess we can't be 100% sure of anything right now. But sea level seems as if it will most definitely rise and people will be displaced and we'll probably see more people migrating as refugees to other countries, which will cause even more political instability and tensions (depending on how fast it rises and therefore how fast people are displaced). Also, it seems pretty definite that changes are happening unusually fast which is causing eco-systems to break down because they can't keep up with the rapid changes. If there are mass extinctions, then that will be scary because there are some species that we rely on for our own survival (bee's pollinating crops for example). I mean, it seems like it could be pretty scary stuff.

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science

[RCSaunders]

So these guys seem to be stirring things up a bit with acts of civil disobedience.

Personally, I think the sooner "these guys" go extinct, the better, along with any other environmental creackpots.

[RCSaunders]

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science

That's right, Henry, but even if they were, just because someone doesn't like a certain climate doesn't mean it's bad or that everybody else has to sacrifice their life for their sake. I personally would love for the climate to warmer. Who put the these environmental crackpots in charge and made the world theirs?

[henry quirk]

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science

That's right, Henry, but even if they were, just because someone doesn't like a certain climate doesn't mean it's bad or that everybody else has to sacrifice their life for their sake. I personally would love for the climate to warmer. Who put the these environmental crackpots in charge and made the world theirs?

Here, in south Louisiana, we got all the heat you could want, and humidity (the air sweats).

[Immanuel Can]

So these guys seem to be stirring things up a bit with acts of civil disobedience. Apparently, they've adopted the tactics of Black Lives Matter and are doing things like illegally blocking traffic, protesting without requisite permits, deliberately getting themselves arrested, etc. Their promotional video on the link seems to put emphasis on the words "we demand". What do people here think? Are we past the point of serious debate on the issue and drastic action is now necessary?

A question: Why do climate activists follow anxious children like Greta and these other little moppets? Kids are actually pretty much defined by a lack of life experience, an ignorance of science and an inability to address complex problems without being totally overwhelmed.

And a comment: Any discussion of climate that does not include the words "China" and "India" is simply not a serious discussion.

[Gary Childress]

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science

Someone recently linked me this YouTube video to look at. It's pretty easy to follow, even for someone like me, and it seems to give reasons to believe that human activity is driving the climate right now.

It's a fairly long video but very well presented by a professor at the University of Central Florida. I've watched it twice so far and if you don't have the time to devote to the whole thing, jump to about 45:00 into the video and it will sum things up more or less in the following way:

That it appears we are currently in what should be an ice age (according to solar factors such as eccentricity, procession and tilt) but we are in fact getting much warmer temperatures than we should. The reason for the warmer temperatures is human carbon emissions starting way before the industrial revolution (at about 8000 years ago). Before the industrial revolution, it was slash and burn clearing of forests for purposes of agriculture that drove carbon emissions. Since then carbon emissions have gone up exponentially due to fossil fuels and industrialization. What it seems to all mean is that sea level will increase somewhere between 2.5 to 6.5 feet by the year 2100, with the most pronounced rate of increase toward the end of that time period.

[henry quirk]

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science

Someone recently linked me this YouTube video to look at. It's pretty easy to follow, even for someone like me, and it seems to give reasons to believe that human activity is driving the climate right now.

It's a fairly long video but very well presented by a professor at the University of Central Florida. I've watched it twice so far and if you don't have the time to devote to the whole thing, jump to about 45:00 into the video and it will sum things up more or less in the following way:

That it appears we are currently in what should be an ice age (according to solar factors such as eccentricity, procession and tilt) but we are in fact getting much warmer temperatures than we should. The reason for the warmer temperatures is human carbon emissions starting way before the industrial revolution (at about 8000 years ago). Before the industrial revolution, it was slash and burn clearing of forests for purposes of agriculture that drove carbon emissions. Since then carbon emissions have gone up exponentially due to fossil fuels and industrialization. What it seems to all mean is that sea level will increase somewhere between 2.5 to 6.5 feet by the year 2100, with the most pronounced rate of increase toward the end of that time period.

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