Prayer, Meditation and the Spiral Effect

[Eodnhoj7]

The nature of being takes on the form of a spiral, this spiral exists through the patterns in which we meditate. We assume things and these cycles expand in different variations.

Meditation on materialistic things leads to a more materialistic temporal existence where appetites are practiced and cultivated through habit.


Meditation on more spiritual things leads to an embodiment of the materialistic while a transcendence past it.

This spiral of transcendary meditations manifests historically through prayer beeds as an embodiment of this at the spiritual level. It occurs through the Rosary of the Western faiths as well as the Chotke or Malas of the Eastern faiths.

Each of these spirals of meditation reflect a positive or negative observation of reality, with this form being neutral and constant.

[Eodnhoj7]

People assume the pattern of the prayer, integrate it and project the pattern of the prayer.

This is repeated in a cycle.

Each assumption and projection of the prayer, is a new identity through the prayer.

It is a transcendental loop; dually if one would meditate on material things a negative loop occurs.

[bahman]

If prayer is useful then it means that there are agents who can read your mind and affect your reality. You, however, cannot know what is in their minds. So, what to will receive is not subjected to your prayers.

[Eodnhoj7]

If prayer is useful then it means that there are agents who can read your mind and affect your reality. You, however, cannot know what is in their minds. So, what to will receive is not subjected to your prayers.

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being.

[bahman]

If prayer is useful then it means that there are agents who can read your mind and affect your reality. You, however, cannot know what is in their minds. So, what to will receive is not subjected to your prayers.

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being.

We pray because we need. Creating such a cripple thing that is weak is not moral.

[Eodnhoj7]

If prayer is useful then it means that there are agents who can read your mind and affect your reality. You, however, cannot know what is in their minds. So, what to will receive is not subjected to your prayers.

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being.

We pray because we need. Creating such a cripple thing that is weak is not moral.

One man's weakness is another's strength, from a premise of everything being connected strength is highly relative.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The nature of being takes on the form of a spiral, this spiral exists through the patterns in which we meditate. We assume things and these cycles expand in different variations.
....

Your points are without direction and going nowhere.

Yes, the nature of being takes on the form of a spiral in time, so the spiral exists in every activity.

The question you need to ask is 'why do people pray?'
The reason why people pray is because they are strongly driven by unconscious [not so much] existential fears.
The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is praying and why he feel the urge to pray.
Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.
The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is meditating and why he feel the urge to meditate?
There is also the need to ask what is the rationale for meditation and it is imperative that one must meditate to maintain and improve the well-being of the individual.

I believe it is imperative one need to meditate [not simply but properly] in accordance to its generic principles evident by what is going inside the brain.

Whilst prayers are still a necessity for the majority at present, I believe in the future, people should be weaned off from prayers and graduate to meditation-proper with full understanding of its purpose and mechanism in the brain.

[Belinda]

What is prayer?

Is it petitionary? Petitonary prayer is reasonable only as insofar as e.g. The Lord's Prayer is non-specific.

Apart from petitionary prayer, prayer might be a form of trying to address what one takes to be the better part of one's psyche. I am in favour of this sort of prayer only if the prayer is informed by self knowledge. Self knowledge is born from humility.

Veritas Aequitas may have something to say as to the place , if any, of humility in meditation.

[Impenitent]

the prayers of Tampa Bay for the spiral effect of Brady might have been answered

-Imp

[Eodnhoj7]

The nature of being takes on the form of a spiral, this spiral exists through the patterns in which we meditate. We assume things and these cycles expand in different variations.
....

Your points are without direction and going nowhere.

Prayer is grounded in universal platonic forms.

Yes, the nature of being takes on the form of a spiral in time, so the spiral exists in every activity.

The question you need to ask is 'why do people pray?'

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being






The reason why people pray is because they are strongly driven by unconscious [not so much] existential fears.

People eat out of impulse as well. The impulse for prayer is a natural part of evolution as it is a form of meditation.

The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is praying and why he feel the urge to pray.

Which portion of the brain is responsible for the brain studying itself?

Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.
The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is meditating and why he feel the urge to meditate?
There is also the need to ask what is the rationale for meditation and it is imperative that one must meditate to maintain and improve the well-being of the individual.

Prayer and meditation are synonyms.


I believe it is imperative one need to meditate [not simply but properly] in accordance to its generic principles evident by what is going inside the brain.

Whilst prayers are still a necessity for the majority at present, I believe in the future, people should be weaned off from prayers and graduate to meditation-proper with full understanding of its purpose and mechanism in the brain.

That is a belief.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The nature of being takes on the form of a spiral, this spiral exists through the patterns in which we meditate. We assume things and these cycles expand in different variations.
....

Your points are without direction and going nowhere.

Prayer is grounded in universal platonic forms.

Yes, the nature of being takes on the form of a spiral in time, so the spiral exists in every activity.

The question you need to ask is 'why do people pray?'

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being






The reason why people pray is because they are strongly driven by unconscious [not so much] existential fears.

People eat out of impulse as well. The impulse for prayer is a natural part of evolution as it is a form of meditation.

The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is praying and why he feel the urge to pray.

Which portion of the brain is responsible for the brain studying itself?

Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.
The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is meditating and why he feel the urge to meditate?
There is also the need to ask what is the rationale for meditation and it is imperative that one must meditate to maintain and improve the well-being of the individual.

Prayer and meditation are synonyms.


I believe it is imperative one need to meditate [not simply but properly] in accordance to its generic principles evident by what is going inside the brain.

Whilst prayers are still a necessity for the majority at present, I believe in the future, people should be weaned off from prayers and graduate to meditation-proper with full understanding of its purpose and mechanism in the brain.

That is a belief.

There is a significant contrast between 'prayer' and 'meditation'.
I believe the differences can be differentiated from their different pathways and activities within the brain.

There are all sorts of prayers;

Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication.
In the narrow sense, the term refers to an act of supplication or intercession directed towards a deity (a god), or a deified ancestor.

More generally, prayer can also have the purpose of thanksgiving or praise, and in comparative religion is closely associated with more abstract forms of meditation and with charms or spells.[1]
-wiki

Note the bolded in the above which is generally attributed to what is a prayer, i.e.c communication with 'object of worship, deity and other objects.
These has the potential to trigger the person to be evil and violent as evident in the tribal, primitive religions of prayer for rain with human sacrifices and the modern religion as in the terrible evils of Islam which is reinforced with prayers.

Thus my point, it would be of net-positive to humanity if we can get rid of the need for prayers as in the above case and search for more effective solutions.

In one extreme, a prayer can be used as vehicle in meditation.
In this case, the prayer must be specifically qualified to associate it with meditation to avoid the fallacy hasty generalization.
It would be better off to re-label such as meditation than sticking to it as prayer.

[Belinda]

Veritas Aequitas wrote:

It would be better off to re-label such as meditation than sticking to it as prayer.

But praying is based upon reasoning which in turn is based upon normal waking awareness. Meditation on the other hand is based upon a physical and detectable change in brain activity from normal waking awareness.

[Eodnhoj7]

Your points are without direction and going nowhere.

Prayer is grounded in universal platonic forms.

Yes, the nature of being takes on the form of a spiral in time, so the spiral exists in every activity.

The question you need to ask is 'why do people pray?'

Prayer is the embodiment of a way of seeing the world through a series of mantras or a simple expression of basic underlying feelings. It is this embodiment of a perspective, through prayers, which manifests itself through internal and external change of the individual.

Considering the mind is a dimension of reality, and all phenomenon are interlinked (due to all phenomenon being an inherent middle to other phenomenon) the mind can be read in some degree or another if not completely from a higher dimension of awareness that underlies all of being






The reason why people pray is because they are strongly driven by unconscious [not so much] existential fears.

People eat out of impulse as well. The impulse for prayer is a natural part of evolution as it is a form of meditation.

The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is praying and why he feel the urge to pray.

Prayer is a natural part of the human condition given its impulsive nature. To ban prayer, because of conflict would be banning the notion of property because it also causes conflict.

Which portion of the brain is responsible for the brain studying itself?

Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

That would be like banning people from consuming food as well.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.

People have friends out of existential fears as well. They also buy property for the same reason. Existential fears are not limited to prayer alone, and dually just because certain portions of the population are motivated by existential threat, it is not the whole population as well. Prayers out of joy and Thanksgiving are not motivated solely by an existential threat.

The next step is to understand what is going inside the brain of the person when he is meditating and why he feel the urge to meditate?
There is also the need to ask what is the rationale for meditation and it is imperative that one must meditate to maintain and improve the well-being of the individual.

Prayer and meditation are synonyms.


I believe it is imperative one need to meditate [not simply but properly] in accordance to its generic principles evident by what is going inside the brain.

And what portion of the brain is responsible for studying the brain?

Whilst prayers are still a necessity for the majority at present, I believe in the future, people should be weaned off from prayers and graduate to meditation-proper with full understanding of its purpose and mechanism in the brain.

That is a belief.

There is a significant contrast between 'prayer' and 'meditation'.
Not entirely, they both deactivate certain portions of the brain and activate other portions required for imaging and verbal reasoning...if memory serves.

I believe the differences can be differentiated from their different pathways and activities within the brain.

There are all sorts of prayers;

Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication.
In the narrow sense, the term refers to an act of supplication or intercession directed towards a deity (a god), or a deified ancestor.

More generally, prayer can also have the purpose of thanksgiving or praise, and in comparative religion is closely associated with more abstract forms of meditation and with charms or spells.[1]
-wiki

Note the bolded in the above which is generally attributed to what is a prayer, i.e.c communication with 'object of worship, deity and other objects.
These has the potential to trigger the person to be evil and violent as evident in the tribal, primitive religions of prayer for rain with human sacrifices and the modern religion as in the terrible evils of Islam which is reinforced with prayers.

Communist atheism killed more people in a hundred years than many religious wars over the past several hundred. Many faiths are still persecuted today. Do you promote genocide?

Thus my point, it would be of net-positive to humanity if we can get rid of the need for prayers as in the above case and search for more effective solutions.

In one extreme, a prayer can be used as vehicle in meditation.
In this case, the prayer must be specifically qualified to associate it with meditation to avoid the fallacy hasty generalization.
It would be better off to re-label such as meditation than sticking to it as prayer.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Communist atheism killed more people in a hundred years than many religious wars over the past several hundred. Many faiths are still persecuted today. Do you promote genocide?

How can you be so ignorant and relied on hasty generalization?
It is very stupid to link atheism = communism, seeming exclusively without qualifications.

Note Buddhists are non-theistic [atheists] and their central doctrine is empathy and compassion for all humans and living things.
Has any Buddhist kill anyone in the name of the Buddha and his doctrines?

That would be like banning people from consuming food as well.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.

People have friends out of existential fears as well. They also buy property for the same reason. Existential fears are not limited to prayer alone, and dually just because certain portions of the population are motivated by existential threat, it is not the whole population as well. Prayers out of joy and Thanksgiving are not motivated solely by an existential threat.

Yes, the existential crisis is ground for the major portion of human actions, i.e. good and evil.

As defined, prayers are grounded to a deity - e.g. a GOD [illusory].
The grounding of deity has provided a basis for SOME believers to commit terrible evils.
Therefore prayers are grounds for SOME terrible evils committed by believers who pray.

At least 200 million non-believers has been killed which is linked to God and prayer.

Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason it to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

Don't worry I am not onto you praying but rather we will wean off prayers and critically believing in an illusory God in the future.
When there is no deity there is nothing for any person to pray to.
The alternative to prayer then is positive meditation.

[Eodnhoj7]

Communist atheism killed more people in a hundred years than many religious wars over the past several hundred. Many faiths are still persecuted today. Do you promote genocide?

How can you be so ignorant and relied on hasty generalization?
It is very stupid to link atheism = communism, seeming exclusively without qualifications.
I said communist atheism, not atheism=communism, governments under China and Russia.


Note Buddhists are non-theistic [atheists] and their central doctrine is empathy and compassion for all humans and living things. Buddhism isn't atheist, it does not claim answers to whether God exists or does not exist.
Has any Buddhist kill anyone in the name of the Buddha and his doctrines?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

That would be like banning people from consuming food as well.

Re 'meditation' we also need to ask why do people meditate?
The reason why people meditate is also due to existential fears but the impulse is not as crude as the need to pray.

People have friends out of existential fears as well. They also buy property for the same reason. Existential fears are not limited to prayer alone, and dually just because certain portions of the population are motivated by existential threat, it is not the whole population as well. Prayers out of joy and Thanksgiving are not motivated solely by an existential threat.

Yes, the existential crisis is ground for the major portion of human actions, i.e. good and evil.

It cannot be limited to religion then.

As defined, prayers are grounded to a deity - e.g. a GOD [illusory].

God can neither be proven or disproven as proof, as existing through God would be subset of God, thus leading to a self referential loop.

The grounding of deity has provided a basis for SOME believers to commit terrible evils.
Therefore prayers are grounds for SOME terrible evils committed by believers who pray.

At least 200 million non-believers has been killed which is linked to God and prayer.



Thus when we find out the root causes of prayers and there is reason it to wean off and replace prayers with more effective alternative the drive to pray, then, there is no need to pray.

Don't worry I am not onto you praying but rather we will wean off prayers and critically believing in an illusory God in the future.
When there is no deity there is nothing for any person to pray to.
The alternative to prayer then is positive meditation.

Meditation still requires an observance of a form, and this form acts as a deity.
The observation of a deity is inevitable.