Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:47 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:57 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:07 am
To say "this statement is finite" is to say this statement is a part which must exist through a progression to further parts. The statement must continually expand if it is to be constant and rational. The statement can expand to any number of variables, (such as "this statement is true on monday") which must continually expand (" this statement is true on Monday only when read") so on an so forth.
The statement in itself is illogical as not only is it incomplete but it's form does not follow function. A statement about finiteness can only be true if it continues ad infinitum...however if it ccontinues ad infintum it is not finite. However if it is true and it is finite then what we understand of finiteness is not properly defined.
The statement cancels itself out in certain respect because of it incompletion as it must continually progress if it is to exist and self reference itself if it is to be rationally maintained...hence it is not finite. However if it is finite and true we...to make a long argument real short....are observing finiteness as multiple infinities. In these respects it cancels its nature out by changing to a new one because it cannot maintain itself on its own terms.
In simpler terms it cancels itself out in regards to changing.
I still do not see what you are getting at, but that is my fault not yours.
If the statement, 'this statement is finite' in itself is illogical, then why even bring it up?
Is the statement, 'finite is limited while infinite is unlimited' illogical? If no, then is it a truth statement? And, if it is a truth statement, then does it also cancel itself out? If neither, then why?
Actually if you do not understand it is also my fault.
What we understand of "illogical" fundamentally is contradiction. Contradiction is an absence in structure, hence balance as all structure occurs through balance, where contradictions (while composed of rational parts) are imbalanced in and of themselves. All contradictions have an element of logic to them, however because of imbalance the contradiction exists simultaneously as such. In simpler terms, all "truths" when localized into "parts existing through parts" or "structures which in themselves are cause" have a dual nature of positive and negative values as being and absence of being (gradation).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:07 am
To say there is no infinity is to make a statement that is true if and only if it continues. If it continues it is constant, if it is constant it must continue ad-infinitum or at least always be true ad-infinitum.
If the statement is not constant always, then eventually it will be untrue hence the statement negates itself in this respect as saying there is no infinity is not a constant statement.
To me the reason this statement now cancels itself is because it is NOT true. I do NOT see how there could be finite, regarding the Universe anyway.
To Me, the Universe is obviously infinite, so there only is infinite. There is NO no infinity. If there is a law 'EVERY action causes a reaction', then there is no beginning and was no end to the Universe. How could there be?
You are correct the universe, or rather "being" is infinite. What we understand of "finiteness" does not work unless we observe "finiteness" as multiple infinities. Beginning and end are points of inversion where one part exists relative to another part through a form of multiplicity as relativity.
I might have to explain further.
Besides the infinite 'Universe', or 'being,' of course, I just see and understand how EVERY other thing, or each part, of the Universe has a beginning and thus a finiteness to it.
I can understand that even the words "other", "thing", or even, "each" and "part" are just more, separate, and different labels that human beings use to conceptually divide the One WHOLE up. Human beings need to do this in order to make sense of and understand the Universe in which they came from and exist within.
Although there is NO actual separation of the One infinite thing, into actual parts, human beings conceptually do this by compartmentalizing and given "each" a label so that more and more sense and understanding of the One Universe, Itself, can come to light.
Even the One Consciousness of Creation, Itself, NEEDED human beings truly amazing ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, for Its Self to be able to become Aware and Conscious of Its own Self.
ALL of this WILL become better understood and KNOWN, further down the track.
Understanding finiteness as it truly IS, that is; as only a human being concept, but WAS needed in order to learn and understand more, allows the Real and True ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE to come to light much easier, simpler, and quicker.