The Illogical Nature of Finiteness

[Eodnhoj7]

The Illogical Nature of Finiteness

Finiteness is not logical on its own terms as no truth statement can be made without it inevitably canceling itself. To say "there is no infinity" would necessitate the statement canceling itself out eventually leaving it as false and the existence of infinity as true or the statement would cancel itself out an be replaced with another statement ad-infinitum making a perpetual negative that in itself is infinite relative to a positive infinity.

[Age]

The Illogical Nature of Finiteness

Finiteness is not logical on its own terms as no truth statement can be made without it inevitably canceling itself.

WHY can no truth statement be made without it inevitably canceling itself?

To say "there is no infinity" would necessitate the statement canceling itself

WHY would saying "there is no infinity" necessitate the statement canceling itself?

I can NOT see WHY, without at least an example or two or without a reason of WHY is provided first.

[Eodnhoj7]

The Illogical Nature of Finiteness

Finiteness is not logical on its own terms as no truth statement can be made without it inevitably canceling itself.

WHY can no truth statement be made without it inevitably canceling itself?

To say "this statement is finite" is to say this statement is a part which must exist through a progression to further parts. The statement must continually expand if it is to be constant and rational. The statement can expand to any number of variables, (such as "this statement is true on monday") which must continually expand (" this statement is true on Monday only when read") so on an so forth.

The statement in itself is illogical as not only is it incomplete but it's form does not follow function. A statement about finiteness can only be true if it continues ad infinitum...however if it ccontinues ad infintum it is not finite. However if it is true and it is finite then what we understand of finiteness is not properly defined.

The statement cancels itself out in certain respect because of it incompletion as it must continually progress if it is to exist and self reference itself if it is to be rationally maintained...hence it is not finite. However if it is finite and true we...to make a long argument real short....are observing finiteness as multiple infinities. In these respects it cancels its nature out by changing to a new one because it cannot maintain itself on its own terms.

In simpler terms it cancels itself out in regards to changing.

To say "there is no infinity" would necessitate the statement canceling itself

WHY would saying "there is no infinity" necessitate the statement canceling itself?

I can NOT see WHY, without at least an example or two or without a reason of WHY is provided first.

To say there is no infinity is to make a statement that is true if and only if it continues. If it continues it is constant, if it is constant it must continue ad-infinitum or at least always be true ad-infinitum.

If the statement is not constant always, then eventually it will be untrue hence the statement negates itself in this respect as saying there is no infinity is not a constant statement.

[Age]

The Illogical Nature of Finiteness

Finiteness is not logical on its own terms as no truth statement can be made without it inevitably canceling itself.

WHY can no truth statement be made without it inevitably canceling itself?

To say "this statement is finite" is to say this statement is a part which must exist through a progression to further parts. The statement must continually expand if it is to be constant and rational. The statement can expand to any number of variables, (such as "this statement is true on monday") which must continually expand (" this statement is true on Monday only when read") so on an so forth.

The statement in itself is illogical as not only is it incomplete but it's form does not follow function. A statement about finiteness can only be true if it continues ad infinitum...however if it ccontinues ad infintum it is not finite. However if it is true and it is finite then what we understand of finiteness is not properly defined.

The statement cancels itself out in certain respect because of it incompletion as it must continually progress if it is to exist and self reference itself if it is to be rationally maintained...hence it is not finite. However if it is finite and true we...to make a long argument real short....are observing finiteness as multiple infinities. In these respects it cancels its nature out by changing to a new one because it cannot maintain itself on its own terms.

In simpler terms it cancels itself out in regards to changing.

I still do not see what you are getting at, but that is my fault not yours.

If the statement, 'this statement is finite' in itself is illogical, then why even bring it up?

Is the statement, 'finite is limited while infinite is unlimited' illogical? If no, then is it a truth statement? And, if it is a truth statement, then does it also cancel itself out? If neither, then why?

To say "there is no infinity" would necessitate the statement canceling itself

WHY would saying "there is no infinity" necessitate the statement canceling itself?

I can NOT see WHY, without at least an example or two or without a reason of WHY is provided first.

To say there is no infinity is to make a statement that is true if and only if it continues. If it continues it is constant, if it is constant it must continue ad-infinitum or at least always be true ad-infinitum.

If the statement is not constant always, then eventually it will be untrue hence the statement negates itself in this respect as saying there is no infinity is not a constant statement.

To me the reason this statement now cancels itself is because it is NOT true. I do NOT see how there could be finite, regarding the Universe anyway.

To Me, the Universe is obviously infinite, so there only is infinite. There is NO no infinity. If there is a law 'EVERY action causes a reaction', then there is no beginning and was no end to the Universe. How could there be?

[Eodnhoj7]

WHY can no truth statement be made without it inevitably canceling itself?

To say "this statement is finite" is to say this statement is a part which must exist through a progression to further parts. The statement must continually expand if it is to be constant and rational. The statement can expand to any number of variables, (such as "this statement is true on monday") which must continually expand (" this statement is true on Monday only when read") so on an so forth.

The statement in itself is illogical as not only is it incomplete but it's form does not follow function. A statement about finiteness can only be true if it continues ad infinitum...however if it ccontinues ad infintum it is not finite. However if it is true and it is finite then what we understand of finiteness is not properly defined.

The statement cancels itself out in certain respect because of it incompletion as it must continually progress if it is to exist and self reference itself if it is to be rationally maintained...hence it is not finite. However if it is finite and true we...to make a long argument real short....are observing finiteness as multiple infinities. In these respects it cancels its nature out by changing to a new one because it cannot maintain itself on its own terms.

In simpler terms it cancels itself out in regards to changing.

I still do not see what you are getting at, but that is my fault not yours.

If the statement, 'this statement is finite' in itself is illogical, then why even bring it up?

Is the statement, 'finite is limited while infinite is unlimited' illogical? If no, then is it a truth statement? And, if it is a truth statement, then does it also cancel itself out? If neither, then why?

Actually if you do not understand it is also my fault.

What we understand of "illogical" fundamentally is contradiction. Contradiction is an absence in structure, hence balance as all structure occurs through balance, where contradictions (while composed of rational parts) are imbalanced in and of themselves. All contradictions have an element of logic to them, however because of imbalance the contradiction exists simultaneously as such. In simpler terms, all "truths" when localized into "parts existing through parts" or "structures which in themselves are cause" have a dual nature of positive and negative values as being and absence of being (gradation).

WHY would saying "there is no infinity" necessitate the statement canceling itself?

I can NOT see WHY, without at least an example or two or without a reason of WHY is provided first.

To say there is no infinity is to make a statement that is true if and only if it continues. If it continues it is constant, if it is constant it must continue ad-infinitum or at least always be true ad-infinitum.

If the statement is not constant always, then eventually it will be untrue hence the statement negates itself in this respect as saying there is no infinity is not a constant statement.

To me the reason this statement now cancels itself is because it is NOT true. I do NOT see how there could be finite, regarding the Universe anyway.

To Me, the Universe is obviously infinite, so there only is infinite. There is NO no infinity. If there is a law 'EVERY action causes a reaction', then there is no beginning and was no end to the Universe. How could there be?

You are correct the universe, or rather "being" is infinite. What we understand of "finiteness" does not work unless we observe "finiteness" as multiple infinities. Beginning and end are points of inversion where one part exists relative to another part through a form of multiplicity as relativity.

I might have to explain further.

[Age]

To say "this statement is finite" is to say this statement is a part which must exist through a progression to further parts. The statement must continually expand if it is to be constant and rational. The statement can expand to any number of variables, (such as "this statement is true on monday") which must continually expand (" this statement is true on Monday only when read") so on an so forth.

The statement in itself is illogical as not only is it incomplete but it's form does not follow function. A statement about finiteness can only be true if it continues ad infinitum...however if it ccontinues ad infintum it is not finite. However if it is true and it is finite then what we understand of finiteness is not properly defined.

The statement cancels itself out in certain respect because of it incompletion as it must continually progress if it is to exist and self reference itself if it is to be rationally maintained...hence it is not finite. However if it is finite and true we...to make a long argument real short....are observing finiteness as multiple infinities. In these respects it cancels its nature out by changing to a new one because it cannot maintain itself on its own terms.

In simpler terms it cancels itself out in regards to changing.

I still do not see what you are getting at, but that is my fault not yours.

If the statement, 'this statement is finite' in itself is illogical, then why even bring it up?

Is the statement, 'finite is limited while infinite is unlimited' illogical? If no, then is it a truth statement? And, if it is a truth statement, then does it also cancel itself out? If neither, then why?

Actually if you do not understand it is also my fault.

What we understand of "illogical" fundamentally is contradiction. Contradiction is an absence in structure, hence balance as all structure occurs through balance, where contradictions (while composed of rational parts) are imbalanced in and of themselves. All contradictions have an element of logic to them, however because of imbalance the contradiction exists simultaneously as such. In simpler terms, all "truths" when localized into "parts existing through parts" or "structures which in themselves are cause" have a dual nature of positive and negative values as being and absence of being (gradation).

To say there is no infinity is to make a statement that is true if and only if it continues. If it continues it is constant, if it is constant it must continue ad-infinitum or at least always be true ad-infinitum.

If the statement is not constant always, then eventually it will be untrue hence the statement negates itself in this respect as saying there is no infinity is not a constant statement.

To me the reason this statement now cancels itself is because it is NOT true. I do NOT see how there could be finite, regarding the Universe anyway.

To Me, the Universe is obviously infinite, so there only is infinite. There is NO no infinity. If there is a law 'EVERY action causes a reaction', then there is no beginning and was no end to the Universe. How could there be?

You are correct the universe, or rather "being" is infinite. What we understand of "finiteness" does not work unless we observe "finiteness" as multiple infinities. Beginning and end are points of inversion where one part exists relative to another part through a form of multiplicity as relativity.

I might have to explain further.

Besides the infinite 'Universe', or 'being,' of course, I just see and understand how EVERY other thing, or each part, of the Universe has a beginning and thus a finiteness to it.

I can understand that even the words "other", "thing", or even, "each" and "part" are just more, separate, and different labels that human beings use to conceptually divide the One WHOLE up. Human beings need to do this in order to make sense of and understand the Universe in which they came from and exist within.

Although there is NO actual separation of the One infinite thing, into actual parts, human beings conceptually do this by compartmentalizing and given "each" a label so that more and more sense and understanding of the One Universe, Itself, can come to light.

Even the One Consciousness of Creation, Itself, NEEDED human beings truly amazing ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, for Its Self to be able to become Aware and Conscious of Its own Self.

ALL of this WILL become better understood and KNOWN, further down the track.

Understanding finiteness as it truly IS, that is; as only a human being concept, but WAS needed in order to learn and understand more, allows the Real and True ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE to come to light much easier, simpler, and quicker.

[Eodnhoj7]

I still do not see what you are getting at, but that is my fault not yours.

If the statement, 'this statement is finite' in itself is illogical, then why even bring it up?

Is the statement, 'finite is limited while infinite is unlimited' illogical? If no, then is it a truth statement? And, if it is a truth statement, then does it also cancel itself out? If neither, then why?

Actually if you do not understand it is also my fault.

What we understand of "illogical" fundamentally is contradiction. Contradiction is an absence in structure, hence balance as all structure occurs through balance, where contradictions (while composed of rational parts) are imbalanced in and of themselves. All contradictions have an element of logic to them, however because of imbalance the contradiction exists simultaneously as such. In simpler terms, all "truths" when localized into "parts existing through parts" or "structures which in themselves are cause" have a dual nature of positive and negative values as being and absence of being (gradation).







To me the reason this statement now cancels itself is because it is NOT true. I do NOT see how there could be finite, regarding the Universe anyway.

To Me, the Universe is obviously infinite, so there only is infinite. There is NO no infinity. If there is a law 'EVERY action causes a reaction', then there is no beginning and was no end to the Universe. How could there be?

You are correct the universe, or rather "being" is infinite. What we understand of "finiteness" does not work unless we observe "finiteness" as multiple infinities. Beginning and end are points of inversion where one part exists relative to another part through a form of multiplicity as relativity.

I might have to explain further.

Besides the infinite 'Universe', or 'being,' of course, I just see and understand how EVERY other thing, or each part, of the Universe has a beginning and thus a finiteness to it.

I can understand that even the words "other", "thing", or even, "each" and "part" are just more, separate, and different labels that human beings use to conceptually divide the One WHOLE up. Human beings need to do this in order to make sense of and understand the Universe in which they came from and exist within.

Although there is NO actual separation of the One infinite thing, into actual parts, human beings conceptually do this by compartmentalizing and given "each" a label so that more and more sense and understanding of the One Universe, Itself, can come to light.

Even the One Consciousness of Creation, Itself, NEEDED human beings truly amazing ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, for Its Self to be able to become Aware and Conscious of Its own Self.

ALL of this WILL become better understood and KNOWN, further down the track.

Understanding finiteness as it truly IS, that is; as only a human being concept, but WAS needed in order to learn and understand more, allows the Real and True ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE to come to light much easier, simpler, and quicker.

Multiple infinities as one infinity, where multiplicity is merely an inversion of unity into unit with the unit being composed of and composing units. Under these terms all points within existence are center points in themselves.

[Impenitent]

defining terms makes them finite

-Imp

[Age]

Besides the infinite 'Universe', or 'being,' of course, I just see and understand how EVERY other thing, or each part, of the Universe has a beginning and thus a finiteness to it.

I can understand that even the words "other", "thing", or even, "each" and "part" are just more, separate, and different labels that human beings use to conceptually divide the One WHOLE up. Human beings need to do this in order to make sense of and understand the Universe in which they came from and exist within.

Although there is NO actual separation of the One infinite thing, into actual parts, human beings conceptually do this by compartmentalizing and given "each" a label so that more and more sense and understanding of the One Universe, Itself, can come to light.

Even the One Consciousness of Creation, Itself, NEEDED human beings truly amazing ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, for Its Self to be able to become Aware and Conscious of Its own Self.

ALL of this WILL become better understood and KNOWN, further down the track.

Understanding finiteness as it truly IS, that is; as only a human being concept, but WAS needed in order to learn and understand more, allows the Real and True ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE to come to light much easier, simpler, and quicker.

Multiple infinities as one infinity, where multiplicity is merely an inversion of unity into unit with the unit being composed of and composing units. Under these terms all points within existence are center points in themselves.

Honestly I am not sure what you are saying here and trying to get at.

Are you disagreeing with what I am saying, agreeing with what I am saying, or partly disagreeing/agreeing with what I say?

[Eodnhoj7]

Besides the infinite 'Universe', or 'being,' of course, I just see and understand how EVERY other thing, or each part, of the Universe has a beginning and thus a finiteness to it.

I can understand that even the words "other", "thing", or even, "each" and "part" are just more, separate, and different labels that human beings use to conceptually divide the One WHOLE up. Human beings need to do this in order to make sense of and understand the Universe in which they came from and exist within.

Although there is NO actual separation of the One infinite thing, into actual parts, human beings conceptually do this by compartmentalizing and given "each" a label so that more and more sense and understanding of the One Universe, Itself, can come to light.

Even the One Consciousness of Creation, Itself, NEEDED human beings truly amazing ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, for Its Self to be able to become Aware and Conscious of Its own Self.

ALL of this WILL become better understood and KNOWN, further down the track.

Understanding finiteness as it truly IS, that is; as only a human being concept, but WAS needed in order to learn and understand more, allows the Real and True ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE to come to light much easier, simpler, and quicker.

Multiple infinities as one infinity, where multiplicity is merely an inversion of unity into unit with the unit being composed of and composing units. Under these terms all points within existence are center points in themselves.

Honestly I am not sure what you are saying here and trying to get at.

Are you disagreeing with what I am saying, agreeing with what I am saying, or partly disagreeing/agreeing with what I say?

Partly agreeing/disagreeing.

Finiteness can only exist as multiple infinities, not the standard definition. However these multiple infinities progress towards one infinity as one infinity.

[Age]

Multiple infinities as one infinity, where multiplicity is merely an inversion of unity into unit with the unit being composed of and composing units. Under these terms all points within existence are center points in themselves.

Honestly I am not sure what you are saying here and trying to get at.

Are you disagreeing with what I am saying, agreeing with what I am saying, or partly disagreeing/agreeing with what I say?

Partly agreeing/disagreeing.

Finiteness can only exist as multiple infinities, not the standard definition.

The 'not the standard definition' might the cause for the disagreement.

Can you just give your definition?

However these multiple infinities progress towards one infinity as one infinity.

This is about what I am saying anyway.

Finiteness only exists as a conceptual thing because only those things that are conceived as being separate and different things, are the things that have a finiteness to them.

For human beings to make sense of and understand the One infinite Universe, human beings conceptually break the One thing up into separate and different things, conceptually only. (If they BELIEVE those things are actually separate and different things is another matter). Of course all these conceived up things, which have been named and labelled separately and differently, have finiteness to them. By definition of being (conceived as) separate and different things they have to have a beginning and an end, which is a finiteness to them. They HAVE TO have finiteness in order to be able to look at them and see them as separate from other (conceivable and conceived up) separate and different things. The beginning and end of these conceptual separate and different things happens conceivably only in the conceptual perception of what is generally known as "time", and, the separatedness of the conceived up different things is conceivably only in the conceptual perception of what is generally known as "space".

Just like you are saying;'these multiple infinities (of conceived up ideas of separate and different things of which they must be of finiteness) progress towards one infinity as one infinity.

I just look at this a bit differently. That is; There is only One infinity ONLY, which human beings just imagine is broken up into separate and different things, of which they then place, again 'made up', names and labels onto those perceived things.

[Eodnhoj7]

Honestly I am not sure what you are saying here and trying to get at.

Are you disagreeing with what I am saying, agreeing with what I am saying, or partly disagreeing/agreeing with what I say?

Partly agreeing/disagreeing.

Finiteness can only exist as multiple infinities, not the standard definition.

The 'not the standard definition' might the cause for the disagreement.

Can you just give your definition?

I have no personal definition. The common definition of finiteness is "difference of...." The true definition is multiple infinities which is reflected in the philosophical concept of the multiverse and the concept of multiple infinities in mathematics.

However these multiple infinities progress towards one infinity as one infinity.

This is about what I am saying anyway.

Finiteness only exists as a conceptual thing because only those things that are conceived as being separate and different things, are the things that have a finiteness to them.

It cannot be reduced from concept considering concept cannot be separated from the one. A Prime Traidic understanding of the universe allows a rational means for it to exist as such.



For human beings to make sense of and understand the One infinite Universe, human beings conceptually break the One thing up into separate and different things, conceptually only. (If they BELIEVE those things are actually separate and different things is another matter). Of course all these conceived up things, which have been named and labelled separately and differently, have finiteness to them. By definition of being (conceived as) separate and different things they have to have a beginning and an end, which is a finiteness to them. They HAVE TO have finiteness in order to be able to look at them and see them as separate from other (conceivable and conceived up) separate and different things. The beginning and end of these conceptual separate and different things happens conceivably only in the conceptual perception of what is generally known as "time", and, the separatedness of the conceived up different things is conceivably only in the conceptual perception of what is generally known as "space".

Human understanding cannot be seperated from the one as it is an extension of the one.



Just like you are saying;'these multiple infinities (of conceived up ideas of separate and different things of which they must be of finiteness) progress towards one infinity as one infinity.

I just look at this a bit differently. That is; There is only One infinity ONLY, which human beings just imagine is broken up into separate and different things, of which they then place, again 'made up', names and labels onto those perceived things.

There are both one infinity and many infinities as infinity.