Milgram and God?

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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Veritas Aequitas
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Milgram and God?

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The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram.
They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience.
Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner." These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real.[2]

The experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of men would fully obey the instructions, albeit reluctantly.

The experiment was repeated many times around the globe, with fairly consistent results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_e ... _Holocaust
Milgram reported his findings from the above experiment;
Results:

The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_e ... nt#Results
In the above experiment the scientists were the noted 'authority' that facilitated the inducement of the participants to torture [a form of evil] their victims.

The question is what if the authority in this case is a God who commanded believers to commit terrible evil acts and violence on non-believers?
In this case, the God is all-powerful and the decision-maker to decide whether the believer will go to Paradise or Hell if the believers disobey God.

Do you think such a God [as above] exists at present?
If yes, how would you prevent tortures [evil] that are inspired by a God?
Ramu
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Re: Milgram and God?

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Hey Bud, it ain't God that convinces morons to do evil shit. Its Ego that kills in the name of self righteousness
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Re: Milgram and God?

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Ramu wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:38 pm Hey Bud, it ain't God that convinces morons to do evil shit. Its Ego that kills in the name of self righteousness
Note my question is this;

"The question is what if the authority in this case is a God who commanded believers to commit terrible evil acts and violence on non-believers?"

What is your answer to this 'what if' condition?

I asked further;
Do you think such a God [as above] exists at present?
If yes, how would you prevent tortures [evil] that are inspired by a God?


From your response, I presume you think there is no such God who would condone believers to kill non-believers.

However I argue otherwise and claim there is such a God, i.e. the Islamic God as in the Quran do condone believers to kill non-believers. You have to read the Quran to understand the point. Thus leaders, the clergy and those in authority could invoke those verses to influence their followers to kill non-believers as sanction by God for various reasons.

I understand the battlefields in the Gita is merely an analogy of the battles between heart and the mind within.
However there are SOME people who abuse the example to Krishna condoning Arjuna to kill even his own relatives on the opposite sides in a war, to kill others.
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No VA. You're referring to egoic leaders of religious institutions who ask people to kill in the name of self righteousness.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what true spirituality is. Its about Love. Not killing. Because when you kill in the name of religion its done under the illusion of separation.

Non duality is about unity. Not separation. Ignorance is NOT bliss.
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Ramu wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:07 pm No VA. You're referring to egoic leaders of religious institutions who ask people to kill in the name of self righteousness.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what true spirituality is. Its about Love. Not killing. Because when you kill in the name of religion its done under the illusion of separation.

Non duality is about unity. Not separation. Ignorance is NOT bliss.
The authority in that case is from God not the egoic nor evil prone leaders who are merely facilitators.
Those evil leaders will have to point to the relevant verses in the holy texts as commands from God not them.
In other cases the believers can read the holy texts themselves without reference to any leaders.

Whatever you deny, the fact is there are theists who believe God is actual and commit terrible evil and violent acts in the name of God.
Who are you to judge they are wrong?

The most effective solution is to expose the illusory nature of God and present the truth that there is no real God at all.
With such truths, no evil person will be able to commit terrible evil and violent acts in the name of God at all.

When you insist an illusory god exists as real, you are providing moral support to the evil prone theists to commit terrible evil and violence acts in the name of God. These evil prone theists are beholden because there are so many people believing in God, so their God must be actual/real.
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