Those who pay for education should consider the benefits of a bonus system for students.

[Greatest I am]

Those who pay for education should consider the benefits of a bonus system for students.

We have been watching the Canadian and U.S. national level of education stall in the doldrums, as compared to other nations. Not shamefully so but irritatingly so. We need to reverse this slow slide.

We, Western citizens of rich nation, are not serving our students well. We pay our teachers; we should consider paying our students, --- who, --- after a good service rendered by the system, --- a passing grade and more, --- would decide to pay their teachers in an appropriate way, by merit, a worthy amount. Teachers will make more in salary, once the low achievers drop out, and students will pay less, as their productivity increases.

I think this beats indebting our students for years, as we are doing now.

A bonus system, similar to that used in the work force would encourage students to learn better as well as having teachers organize better. All sales and human resource oriented people, as well as those who have worked in a bonus system will agree; a bonus system produces better results and productivity in the personnel than just a straight pay cheque.

That fact, should tell all who pay for education, including students, that the best use of our hard earned money, --- is not to give it to teachers while indebting students, --- but to recognize that the thing to do, is to give it to the students, --- in a bonus system. That system would range from the low achievers paying full price, to the high achievers paying nothing.

We already have this type of a program, for high achievers. They are given bursaries, grants, and scholarships. With this system already in place we can expand it to represent all students at all levels of education from daycare on up.

If we refuse to reward learning for all students, the doldrums of our education levels will eventually position us in a whirlpool, in terms of world level education. Not a very smart thing for a nation to do.

I hope you recognize the logic and reason of such a bonus system, and more importantly, recognize the benefits and savings that it would yield to all students and tax payers.

Do you see the benefits?

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

No, I don't see the benefits at all. Education is just another product that the government should stay out of entirely. It's something that should be purchased in a free market like everything else, and companies providing a good product at the right price will prosper, while those that don't will go out of business.

[Greatest I am]

No, I don't see the benefits at all. Education is just another product that the government should stay out of entirely. It's something that should be purchased in a free market like everything else, and companies providing a good product at the right price will prosper, while those that don't will go out of business.

I agree and a bonus system takes education out of government and places in the hands of the student consumers. That is when the purging you want would happen.

My system does exactly what you want so I do not see why you would not support it.

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

No, I don't see the benefits at all. Education is just another product that the government should stay out of entirely. It's something that should be purchased in a free market like everything else, and companies providing a good product at the right price will prosper, while those that don't will go out of business.

I agree and a bonus system takes education out of government and places in the hands of the student consumers. That is when the purging you want would happen.

My system does exactly what you want so I do not see why you would not support it.

Regards
DL

Let me ask you a question, whose money goes to the students?

[Greatest I am]

No, I don't see the benefits at all. Education is just another product that the government should stay out of entirely. It's something that should be purchased in a free market like everything else, and companies providing a good product at the right price will prosper, while those that don't will go out of business.

I agree and a bonus system takes education out of government and places in the hands of the student consumers. That is when the purging you want would happen.

My system does exactly what you want so I do not see why you would not support it.

Regards
DL

Let me ask you a question, whose money goes to the students?

His own.

Students would pay up front and the goal is to recoup as much of it as possible. Think of this as a pro-rated scholarship program where the better a student does, the more of his debt he can recoup. This would not effect present levels of free scholarship that the highest achievers already earn.

Therein lies the motivator to work hard and do well.

Regards
DL

[Hobbes' Choice]

Those who pay for education should consider the benefits of a bonus system for students.

We have been watching the Canadian and U.S. national level of education stall in the doldrums, as compared to other nations. Not shamefully so but irritatingly so. We need to reverse this slow slide.

We, Western citizens of rich nation, are not serving our students well. We pay our teachers; we should consider paying our students, --- who, --- after a good service rendered by the system, --- a passing grade and more, --- would decide to pay their teachers in an appropriate way, by merit, a worthy amount. Teachers will make more in salary, once the low achievers drop out, and students will pay less, as their productivity increases.

Regards
DL

There are no benefits to such a system unless you wish to deny and completely disenfranchise deprived children from the system as early as possible.
If you want to create a polarised class system perpetuating the myth of "knowing your place" then such a system would be ideal. If you want all children to reach their fullest potential then think again.

We need to reverse this slow slide.

if there is such a thing, you might want to ask what is the cause of this rather than pull moronic ideas out of your arse.

Funds to education and salaries of teachers have been on a continual downwards trend for many years, with the removal of working rights and the diminution of working conditions coupled with increasing poverty among the students' parents.

And your idea is what? Turn kids in to capitalist robots, and discard those that need education the most?
I'm sure you could make the results look good on paper.

[Greatest I am]

Those who pay for education should consider the benefits of a bonus system for students.

We have been watching the Canadian and U.S. national level of education stall in the doldrums, as compared to other nations. Not shamefully so but irritatingly so. We need to reverse this slow slide.

We, Western citizens of rich nation, are not serving our students well. We pay our teachers; we should consider paying our students, --- who, --- after a good service rendered by the system, --- a passing grade and more, --- would decide to pay their teachers in an appropriate way, by merit, a worthy amount. Teachers will make more in salary, once the low achievers drop out, and students will pay less, as their productivity increases.

Regards
DL

There are no benefits to such a system unless you wish to deny and completely disenfranchise deprived children from the system as early as possible.
If you want to create a polarised class system perpetuating the myth of "knowing your place" then such a system would be ideal. If you want all children to reach their fullest potential then think again.

We need to reverse this slow slide.

if there is such a thing, you might want to ask what is the cause of this rather than pull moronic ideas out of your arse.

Funds to education and salaries of teachers have been on a continual downwards trend for many years, with the removal of working rights and the diminution of working conditions coupled with increasing poverty among the students' parents.

You seem to be thinking backward on this.

What is wrong with a student knowing his place?

If in the wrong place, would a student not be well served by knowing it and not wasting his money?

Regards
DL

[Hobbes' Choice]

Those who pay for education should consider the benefits of a bonus system for students.

We have been watching the Canadian and U.S. national level of education stall in the doldrums, as compared to other nations. Not shamefully so but irritatingly so. We need to reverse this slow slide.

We, Western citizens of rich nation, are not serving our students well. We pay our teachers; we should consider paying our students, --- who, --- after a good service rendered by the system, --- a passing grade and more, --- would decide to pay their teachers in an appropriate way, by merit, a worthy amount. Teachers will make more in salary, once the low achievers drop out, and students will pay less, as their productivity increases.

Regards
DL

There are no benefits to such a system unless you wish to deny and completely disenfranchise deprived children from the system as early as possible.
If you want to create a polarised class system perpetuating the myth of "knowing your place" then such a system would be ideal. If you want all children to reach their fullest potential then think again.

We need to reverse this slow slide.

if there is such a thing, you might want to ask what is the cause of this rather than pull moronic ideas out of your arse.

Funds to education and salaries of teachers have been on a continual downwards trend for many years, with the removal of working rights and the diminution of working conditions coupled with increasing poverty among the students' parents.

You seem to be thinking backward on this.

What is wrong with a student knowing his place?

Because there is no "place" to belong to if you want people to reach their potentials.
Tell me what caste are you from?

[Greatest I am]

There are no benefits to such a system unless you wish to deny and completely disenfranchise deprived children from the system as early as possible.
If you want to create a polarised class system perpetuating the myth of "knowing your place" then such a system would be ideal. If you want all children to reach their fullest potential then think again.


if there is such a thing, you might want to ask what is the cause of this rather than pull moronic ideas out of your arse.

Funds to education and salaries of teachers have been on a continual downwards trend for many years, with the removal of working rights and the diminution of working conditions coupled with increasing poverty among the students' parents.

You seem to be thinking backward on this.

What is wrong with a student knowing his place?

Because there is no "place" to belong to if you want people to reach their potentials.
Tell me what caste are you from?

A good mathematician does not belong in a history class. To reach his potential, his cash should go to a math class and so should he.

We are all a part of a socio economic demographic pyramid and are thus all in a class or level of some kind. You can be course and call that a cast if you like but it is just a reality to me.

What cast are you in?

Regards
DL

[Hobbes' Choice]

You seem to be thinking backward on this.

What is wrong with a student knowing his place?

Because there is no "place" to belong to if you want people to reach their potentials.
Tell me what caste are you from?

A good mathematician does not belong in a history class.

Bullshit. Issac Newton was a great historian; theologian; scientist; astronomer; and mathematician, so was Aristotle and many more.

[Hobbes' Choice]

We are all a part of a socio economic demographic pyramid and are thus all in a class or level of some kind. You can be course and call that a cast if you like but it is just a reality to me.

What cast are you in?

Regards
DL

Keep yourself in your place if you want. I do not belong on any caste.

Don't forget to doff your cap at your betters.

[Greatest I am]

That is not you.

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

I agree and a bonus system takes education out of government and places in the hands of the student consumers. That is when the purging you want would happen.

My system does exactly what you want so I do not see why you would not support it.

Regards
DL

Let me ask you a question, whose money goes to the students?

Students would pay up front and the goal is to recoup as much of it as possible.

Are students forced to pay up front, and how much? What if they don't have any money, are their parents forced to pay?

[Dalek Prime]

First of all, education in Canada is not a federal prerogative. Second, I think what you suggest is a bad idea all around. The reward of being educated is a goal in itself.

[Greatest I am]

Let me ask you a question, whose money goes to the students?

Students would pay up front and the goal is to recoup as much of it as possible.

Are students forced to pay up front, and how much? What if they don't have any money, are their parents forced to pay?

That is usually the case today (depending on government and other opportunities), and that would not change except for the fact that a parent will see an opportunity to recoup his dollars if the student does well. A parent motivating and helping his child to succeed better might thus become the norm.

Regards
DL