Who Am I??

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:42 am

This is a tale...no..two tales..well the other is really a song, of things past. The first is heard most eloquently among the nostalgic elders as they speak of a time. A time when life was life..and death was but a promise.A promise of another life. When children would gather around warm embers and be told in soft words of those gone before. Now they smile ..not hoping for this kind of death..but in a way happy ,happy that they can remmembe tales of when the wind whistled through stone walls..when the term "the destroyers" .."va Rozvi" ceased being a verb.Of how the rozvi forged empires through plains of ignorance and placitude.ruling unquestioned with the spear.
The other tale/song, more a wail of mourning. A sombre melody sung by a people who felled the giants af china and india..but was shattered on the plateue of Guru uswa.The portugese wail. But the elders felt the empire more..telling of the moyo jouney N.E.W and South spreading their philosophies.They ruled because of the spear and also because they were cunning.

The Rozvi said to themselves; "WE ARE MIGHTY(!) IN WAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!" .........."BUT MIGHT THERE COME A TIME WHEN WE ARE SO NO LONGER?"..."WILL WE NOT LOSE ALL THAT WE HAVE GAINED?"..."BUT WE ARE ALSO INTELLIGENT", "THIS IS WHAT WE'LL DO"
"WE WILL FORCE(!) INTO THE minds OF THE other clans THAT WE ARE GODS","THIS WAY everyone else WILL BE LOWER THAN THE WEAKEST MOYO IN everyone elses mind".(Ha!..see what i mean). This was the invention of propaganda in southern africa, one among many inventions the Rozvi had made.Then...almost as if it was prophecy..the Rozvi saw..there was no longer any need to be militarily strong."WILL WE NOT STILL RULE?..ARE WE NOT GODS?"
Slowly the rozvi ceaded their right to rule from that of the spear to that of the cloth.
Then ..something happened ,..there was turmoil in zulu land..an offshoot of the nguni had reached Guru uswa.
"these men KNOW NO GOD BUT *NKULUNKULU*","they SEE NO DIVINITY IN US!"

Then this is the irony the Nguni used the *exact* same military tactics in the portugese wail..in the middle of the verse that starts with.."[emdash]weeeee should not eeeeeeven have thoooought about iiiiit[/emdash]" ,to defeat the Rozvi.

The Rozvi had forgoten themselves

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:15 am

Vayera Moyo, do you know who you are?

Have you not parted multitudes with the rod of the spear?
Have you not ruled longer (through the mutapa's) for a thousand years?
Longer than any other royal family on the face of this planet save the Japanese emperor who ironically was also worshiped as a god.
Do you and your vassals not have a great tradition of literature in the form of nhetembo?
Do you not have the only instrument in black Africa to have a scale, is not the concept of the musical chord alien to the African mind but yours?
Did you not have a 10 day week to rule over time where the rest of Africa moved by sight , depending on the signs of the moon.What audacity that you be called "dewa" (god), that at the stretch of your hand you might reach the heavens, to cause celestial bodies to fall, that mambo should not eat if it not be on a plate made out of the moon.
Was changamire not forced to speak behind a veil of white sheet when he addressed his subjects , lest they see him and be stricken.
Was there not a university ku Dzimbabgwe where all the legitimate sons of you vassal chiefs were raised and educated.Oh how reality twists and turns in agony, aching to watch you move. A kaleidoscope of ontologies your being. But alas(!) it is all futility, echoes of praise fit for nothing more than your shadow.................................................Moyo!?!?....Who *are* you? <confused>

Dalek Prime · Post by **Dalek Prime** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:09 pm

I still don't know who you are. And it's taking a long time for you to say.

thedoc · Post by **thedoc** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:10 pm

Who Am I??

Is that a question or a statement?

I like inside jokes, and I would be very much surprised if Dalek Prime hasn't figured it out.

Dalek Prime · Post by **Dalek Prime** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:13 pm

thedoc wrote:Who Am I??

Is that a question or a statement?

I like inside jokes, and I would be very much surprised if Dalek Prime hasn't figured it out.

I hear you, doc.

I'm losing a step or two as I age.

thedoc · Post by **thedoc** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:27 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
thedoc wrote:Who Am I??

Is that a question or a statement?

I like inside jokes, and I would be very much surprised if Dalek Prime hasn't figured it out.
I hear you, doc. I'm losing a step or two as I age.

I was wondering how many steps I've lost, but I lost count a few years ago.

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:41 am

Dalek Prime wrote:I still don't know who you are. And it's taking a long time for you to say.

Tofara Moyo

I live in zimbabwe and am a computer programmer.

thedoc wrote:Who Am I??

Is that a question or a statement?

It means do you really want to know

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:48 am

I was told to leave "Genius Forum" because it looked (mistakenly) like i had formal training in philosophy promptly after i posted this:

Russel

Lets do philosophy...
start with logic
Propositional logic

p = philosophy

m= math

L= logic

i'm going to use what your link said

math <logic<philosophy

this in propositional logic means

philosophy-->logic

logic--->math

============

1)P ................................ lets assume it since it is the system you want to follow

2)(p->L) ......................... Hypothesis

3)(L->m)...........................hypothesis

4)L ..................................(1);(2) modus ponnens

5)m...................................(3);(4) modus ponnens

6)p->m ...........................(1);(2);(3);(4);(5) hypothetical sylogism

since p=philosophy and m=math

p->m litteraly says if philosophy is valid , so is mathematics.

collary

if ~m what would this imply

7)~m...............hypothesis

~p.............(7);(6) modus tolenns

9)~m->~p............(6);(7);(8) Addition

(~m->~p) litteraly says that if math (and its concepts) is not valid then neither is philosophy

This is your own material.

and "Formal training" means "Watching youtube videos"

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:52 am

They said i would find "lively" debate here but i am still waiting for a response for my "the axiom of identity challenged" thread.
I think its an important result, echoing godell and armtrong.
It basicaly says any method that contains logic cant be logical because of the inherent nature of "methods".

Dalek Prime · Post by **Dalek Prime** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:00 am

Moyo wrote:They said i would find "lively" debate here but i am still waiting for a response for my "the axiom of identity challenged" thread.
I think its an important result, echoing godell and armtrong.
It basicaly says any method that contains logic cant be logical because of the inherent nature of "methods".

Yet as programmers, we write methods everyday, and our programs stand up, logically. Limited logical systems ala untyped lambda calculus do present consistency.

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:05 am

Could you (please) address this in the thread where i have explicitely stated my veiws.
Perhaps they are not completely clear?

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:07 am

By "a method" i mean "a way". Not in the programming context.

Dalek Prime · Post by **Dalek Prime** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:27 am

Moyo wrote:By "a method" i mean "a way". Not in the programming context.

Yeah, I know. But the Church system still stands up as a limited system. I think that's what I was trying to say.

Dalek Prime · Post by **Dalek Prime** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:27 am

Moyo wrote:Could you (please) address this in the thread where i have explicitely stated my veiws.
Perhaps they are not completely clear?

Which thread, Moyo?

Moyo · Post by **Moyo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:32 am

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=16036

that thread.

BTW, i am not gunning for the church system.

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