Happy people are better and superior

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Although I am an atheist, I view pleasure as the most important thing in life (and even pleasure obtained from the belief of there being a God and an afterlife). I am going to present an argument here as to why I believe that both pleasure as well as pleasure from this belief makes you better and superior to people who are atheists who are depressed and emotionally numb.

Being alive is superior to being dead as long as you have pleasure. Therefore, since pleasure is emotional life, that makes it superior to being numb (emotionally dead) in which you have nothing more than mere thoughts and duty in life. Pleasure is the absolute and defining life force of "living" and a living thing that defines you as a living person and is what makes you a better and superior person because anyone would know just how good of a experience pleasure is and how much it makes life worth living and is the only thing to me that makes life worth living.

So even if you were a psychopath and killed many people, as long as you have all the pleasure in the world, that would make you a far better and superior person than if you were someone who is depressed and emotionally numb and helped and cared for other people. As for happy selfish people in life who think they are better than everyone else, their happiness is what makes them better than everyone else regardless of how selfish and cruel they are. Their happiness is what makes them better than people with no happiness since, as I just stated before, pleasure is the absolute defining life force of a human being and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and allows you to make the best of your life. This also goes for what I'm about to say below which is that regardless of who you are and such and regardless of how much you help others, you would still be nothing but an inferior biological functioning machine without pleasure which is what makes people who have all the pleasure in the world better and superior regardless of how cruel and such these people are.

Happy people are also better and superior since they at least get to die happy (and perhaps with even more happiness having the delusional belief in a God and an afterlife of eternal joy). But people who suffer with severe depression or anhedonia (emotional numbness) are inferior since they will likely die hopeless and/or with little to no pleasure (and perhaps with even more hopelessness being atheists who don't believe in a God or an afterlife of eternal joy).

Another convincing argument for the radical reasoning I just made above is that thoughts and such without pleasure are nothing more than any other part of the brain for biological functions (such as parts of the brain responsible for movement, breathing, etc.). But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and is the only thing that allows you to make the best of your life. So this is why I come to the conclusion that living your life through pleasure (even if you were a psychopath) would be the only best thing here in this situation as opposed to living your life feeling numb and depressed and helping others being nothing more than mere biological functions (thoughts and actions). It would be better for you as a person because you would, again, be nothing more than mere biological functioning without pleasure regardless of how much you chose to help others and regardless of how much these helped individuals look up to you and admire you. They would have a pleasurable sense of high value and worth towards you, but you will not even be allowed to have a pleasurable sense of value and worth towards yourself in helping others and in them admiring and looking up to you.

But, however, it would be better for other people if you chose not to be the psychopath and instead chose to be numb and depressed and help other people. So even if you did choose to become the lesser (nothing) person with nothing more than mere biological functions, you would be able to help other people suffering which is obviously a great thing.

As for trying to make the best of your life and helping others and such having no pleasure (being nothing more than biological functioning), I would unfortunately have to say good luck on that. You will soon find that you are nothing as a person without pleasure regardless of how much you help others, regardless of who you are as a person and what your attitude is in life, and no matter what you do in life. You would find that life is completely worthless. As a result, you would then go to drastic measures to try and get your pleasure back such as electric convulsive therapy and wishing that you would rather be in a hospital bed with cancer and many other horrible things to happen to you at the same time--as long as it meant having your pleasure back.

Also, let's pretend that I had no ability to experience pleasure and I wanted advice for this mental illness, people who give such "advice" such as: " I am 53 and have never had pleasure in my life, I am used to it," this is not the type of advice I need as I am an emotionally sensitive human being and not some robot who would be fine living a life without pleasure. Robots are fine living a life without pleasure because that's what they are--emotionally insensitive functioning machines. But I, on the other hand, am an emotionally sensitive human being who would not be fine living a life without pleasure and will never be fine with such a thing because, again, I am a sensitive human being and will forever remain a sensitive human being.

In a way, people who give such "advice" are robots themselves because if they were truly a caring sensitive human being and truly cared for my emotional well-being (pleasure), they would instead offer me hope and comfort that I will once again experience pleasure instead of simply just giving the cold insensitive message of just getting used to it or that "Many people have problems that they have to deal with, so just deal and live with it."

To me, this is not just some personal opinion--it is a fact. No matter who you are and no matter what you do in life, that does not change the fact that you are nothing more than biological functioning if you did choose to become the depressed and numb person and help others.

As for me being a sensitive human being, I am sensitive in the sense that I just wish to have my pleasure back, but I am a harsh and strict believer when it comes to hedonism.

Although you can consider me a sensitive human being when it comes to wanting to just have my pleasure back, you can consider me a sort of "drill instructor" when it comes to just how important pleasure is and that without it, you are nothing (nothing more than a maggot as a drill instructor would say regardless of who you are as a person and such if you were in the military). I guess, maybe, you can consider my arguments as a sort of encouragement to regain your ability to experience pleasure in life and to encourage you just how important pleasure (your emotional well-being) is. But if you can't regain your ability to experience pleasure, then you will forever be an inferior human being regardless of how much you did your best in life and such since, again, you would be nothing more than biological functions and that there is nothing in life (including making the best of your life and helping others) that will ever change that.

My arguments are also geared towards an audience who think that pleasure is not that important and that there are more important things in life that define your value as a human being. Again, I do not believe that there are such things because you would, again, still be nothing more than biological functioning without pleasure.

If, let's pretend again, that I were to have no ability to experience pleasure and I were to talk to someone about my inability to experience pleasure and this person were to just simply have little or no value towards my pleasure (emotional well-being) by saying something such as that life is not about pleasure and that there are more important things in life greater than your pleasure, these are opinions that I would absolutely hate which is another reason I have presented my arguments here for pleasure in the event that there are such people so I can at least try to convince them otherwise.

[Conde Lucanor]

Every human being will experience pleasant and unpleasant moments in his life. There's no such thing as people living in an invariable, eternal state of pleasure. Therefore, it's unlikely that when people refers to "happy people" they are deriving a concept about any state of a person's life from the feelings of pleasure, which are particular experiences and not general conditions. One can say of someone that is "happy" when this person is experiencing "happy" moments, just the same that we will call this person "sad" if his mood changes suddenly, but neither case will have an effect on the overall state of being, which still will be of happiness or sadness.

Moreover, an overall state of happiness or sadness is not invariable either. People's lives, which are strongly affected by external circumstances at different levels (family, community, country, economic class, etc.) are not the direct result of people's choices. Often, people have to make choices according to the circumstances (Spanish philosopher Ortega said that "my life is me and my circumstances"). Therefore, it does not seem appropriate to label people as "superior" or "inferior" for their state of being in a particular period of their lives, as this state can change in any moment by different circumstances. Let's say, for example, that a person A feels comfortable with his life and then suddenly an assasin B enters his home and kills his family. He goes into a profound depression that lasts for years, while the killer goes on living comfortably without remorse. Why would we consider B as being superior to A?

The notion of "superiority" and "inferiority" is also questionable. Superior of inferior in relation to what? Cognitive or social abilities? Measurements of intelligence or ethical values? Levels of power?

[The Voice of Time]

Although I am an atheist, I view pleasure as the most important thing in life (and even pleasure obtained from the belief of there being a God and an afterlife). I am going to present an argument here as to why I believe that both pleasure as well as pleasure from this belief makes you better and superior to people who are atheists who are depressed and emotionally numb.

Well so far I must comment that pleasure is subject to sustainability, and religion makes one dumb in the long term though of course in the modern world you could presumably go all your life without suffering more than you loose on this dumbness, except of course all the other people who think you are dumb. But it's a gamble. It's not just about the seemingly isolated effects of your belief, but the fact that in order to relate to other people you'll have to seek out other religious people who may not be as clever or of the same opinion as yourself, or a religious country which may suffer from large amounts of religious conservative irrationality. Things are never as simple as believe or not believe, there are more things to the act of subscribing to religion.

Being alive is superior to being dead as long as you have pleasure.

Since you cannot have pleasure while dead (duh) you cannot even make the comparison.

Therefore, since pleasure is emotional life, that makes it superior to being numb (emotionally dead) in which you have nothing more than mere thoughts and duty in life.

What? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to this... so many wrong things. "that makes it"... what it: pleasure or emotional life? Who said pleasure is emotional life? And what even is "emotional life"? Is it the act of being emotional? Is it a life that happens to consist of many emotions? Is it a life which when perceived brings into feeling many emotions? What does it mean? And why would a numb person experience mere thoughts and duty? Numb people can have any sort of experiences, and certainly don't need to experience duty. Numbness is merely the absence of excitability, you can still have emotions. When I've felt emotionally numb, it makes me irritated for instance, because it's generally very unsatisfactory to be emotionally numb.

Pleasure is the absolute and defining life force of "living"

Again... what? Life force, are you kidding me? There is no such thing as a "life force". If you are gonna use esoteric terms then at least try to describe what they are supposed to mean beforehand.

and a living thing that defines you as a living person and is what makes you a better and superior person because anyone would know just how good of a experience pleasure is and how much it makes life worth living and is the only thing to me that makes life worth living.

Logically incorrect. A piece of pleasure now may scar you for a lifetime, so pleasure is not what makes life worth living. People can go without pleasure and still find worth in life, and there's no reason to believe, unless you can provide one (hopefully an actual evidence), that pleasure equals perceived worth of life. Else your "numb" guys would never be able to value life, however, I think if you ask numb people, many of them will disagree that life isn't worth anything just because they happen to feel numb.

So even if you were a psychopath and killed many people, as long as you have all the pleasure in the world, that would make you a far better and superior person than if you were someone who is depressed and emotionally numb and helped and cared for other people.

Better at what? Superior at what? Being pleasurable? Then you're going in circle. Happy people are happy because they are happy... pleasured people are better and superior at being pleasured than non-pleasured people... That's what I read here. Doesn't say much about anything, would you think?

As for happy selfish people in life who think they are better than everyone else, their happiness is what makes them better than everyone else regardless of how selfish and cruel they are. Their happiness is what makes them better than people with no happiness since, as I just stated before, pleasure is the absolute defining life force of a human being and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and allows you to make the best of your life.

So say you, but why should anyone spontaneously believe your dogma? You have provided a lot of declarations, but no reasons.

This also goes for what I'm about to say below which is that regardless of who you are and such and regardless of how much you help others, you would still be nothing but an inferior biological functioning machine without pleasure which is what makes people who have all the pleasure in the world better and superior regardless of how cruel and such these people are.

Inferior at what? Being pleasured? Circles again... people who do not have pleasure do not have pleasure... says nothing about anything. It's more of a constant repeat actually, you are repeating yourself, adding unnecessary amounts of text to say the same content over and over again.

Happy people are also better and superior since they at least get to die happy (and perhaps with even more happiness having the delusional belief in a God and an afterlife of eternal joy).

Not all happy people are happy upon their death. And not all miserable people are miserable upon their death. An unjustified generalization.

But people who suffer with severe depression or anhedonia (emotional numbness) are inferior since they will likely die hopeless and/or with little to no pleasure (and perhaps with even more hopelessness being atheists who don't believe in a God or an afterlife of eternal joy).

You seem to live under the belief that only atheists can be emotionally numb ^^ Nothing stops a religious person from being emotionally numb. Believing in God is not the same as receiving pleasure from believing in God. And hope is not something associated particularly with religious people, in fact, religious people have lots of problems of their own, either being their institutions, their personal faith, or the circumstances of their faith. A person who doesn't believe in God has no less hope than the one who does... God is not a factor deciding on the matter. People don't have to have delusions to hope either, you can hope on pure reality.

Another convincing argument for the radical reasoning I just made above

It's not radical, it's obsessive: circular thought and repetitiveness.

is that thoughts and such without pleasure are nothing more than any other part of the brain for biological functions (such as parts of the brain responsible for movement, breathing, etc.). But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and is the only thing that allows you to make the best of your life.

What is "the best of your life"? And again, repetitiveness.

So this is why I come to the conclusion that living your life through pleasure (even if you were a psychopath) would be the only best thing here in this situation as opposed to living your life feeling numb and depressed and helping others being nothing more than mere biological functions (thoughts and actions).

I think if people could merely choose a sustainably pleasurable life, they would, but complications stops most people.

It would be better for you as a person because you would, again, be nothing more than mere biological functioning without pleasure regardless of how much you chose to help others and regardless of how much these helped individuals look up to you and admire you. They would have a pleasurable sense of high value and worth towards you, but you will not even be allowed to have a pleasurable sense of value and worth towards yourself in helping others and in them admiring and looking up to you.

Somehow you seem to really hate helping people, because you obsess here with your perception of valuelessness in helping others. The fact is, very many times in life, helping others can feel very pleasurable, and help you get onto a path that provides more sustainable pleasure. Plz stop the repetitiveness though, it's quite irritating to read the same stuff over and over again, makes it feel like I can just skip to the last paragraph and have not missed anything.

But, however, it would be better for other people if you chose not to be the psychopath and instead chose to be numb and depressed and help other people.

Most people I know who spend time helping others, are way more happy than the self-absorbed ones. Are you merely trying to convince yourself of some unhealthy habits you've acquired?

So even if you did choose to become the lesser (nothing) person with nothing more than mere biological functions, you would be able to help other people suffering which is obviously a great thing.

As for trying to make the best of your life and helping others and such having no pleasure (being nothing more than biological functioning), I would unfortunately have to say good luck on that. You will soon find that you are nothing as a person without pleasure regardless of how much you help others, regardless of who you are as a person and what your attitude is in life, and no matter what you do in life. You would find that life is completely worthless.

Have you had any personal bad experiences of this that makes you so anti-help? You know there are ways of just... I don't know... go a middle way? The golden mean and all that?

As a result, you would then go to drastic measures to try and get your pleasure back such as electric convulsive therapy and wishing that you would rather be in a hospital bed with cancer and many other horrible things to happen to you at the same time--as long as it meant having your pleasure back.

Also, let's pretend that I had no ability to experience pleasure and I wanted advice for this mental illness, people who give such "advice" such as: " I am 53 and have never had pleasure in my life, I am used to it," this is not the type of advice I need as I am an emotionally sensitive human being and not some robot who would be fine living a life without pleasure. Robots are fine living a life without pleasure because that's what they are--emotionally insensitive functioning machines. But I, on the other hand, am an emotionally sensitive human being who would not be fine living a life without pleasure and will never be fine with such a thing because, again, I am a sensitive human being and will forever remain a sensitive human being.

Stop the repetition! PLEASE!

In a way, people who give such "advice" are robots themselves because if they were truly a caring sensitive human being and truly cared for my emotional well-being (pleasure), they would instead offer me hope and comfort that I will once again experience pleasure instead of simply just giving the cold insensitive message of just getting used to it or that "Many people have problems that they have to deal with, so just deal and live with it."

People aren't usually open to others just offering them stuff. There's usually a way of introduction and getting to know each other and finding confidences. If you're just gonna use them with nothing to offer them that they want you're just a leech.

To me, this is not just some personal opinion--it is a fact.

Says you. But again, why should I believe your dogma?

No matter who you are and no matter what you do in life, that does not change the fact that you are nothing more than biological functioning if you did choose to become the depressed and numb person and help others.

As for me being a sensitive human being, I am sensitive in the sense that I just wish to have my pleasure back, but I am a harsh and strict believer when it comes to hedonism.

Although you can consider me a sensitive human being when it comes to wanting to just have my pleasure back, you can consider me a sort of "drill instructor" when it comes to just how important pleasure is and that without it, you are nothing (nothing more than a maggot as a drill instructor would say regardless of who you are as a person and such if you were in the military). I guess, maybe, you can consider my arguments as a sort of encouragement to regain your ability to experience pleasure in life and to encourage you just how important pleasure (your emotional well-being) is.

I think you'll find you are as effective as the people you criticise for not being much of a help. Shouting does not produce anything, I think your next focus should be the actual objects of desire that you have, and try to sort them out for a good match between desire and availability. Obsession with pleasure itself provides no pleasure, you have to find the tickings of your own machine, so to speak, and try to figure out how to bring peace to yourself first, then you can fully experience pleasure. Some people think pleasure is necessary in the experience of despair for instance, when in fact, in despair you need peace first and foremost.

Pleasure is the candy you eat after dinner, not instead of food.

But if you can't regain your ability to experience pleasure, then you will forever be an inferior human being regardless of how much you did your best in life and such since, again, you would be nothing more than biological functions and that there is nothing in life (including making the best of your life and helping others) that will ever change that.

My arguments are also geared towards an audience who think that pleasure is not that important and that there are more important things in life that define your value as a human being. Again, I do not believe that there are such things because you would, again, still be nothing more than biological functioning without pleasure.

So you declare, but no reasons why.

If, let's pretend again, that I were to have no ability to experience pleasure and I were to talk to someone about my inability to experience pleasure and this person were to just simply have little or no value towards my pleasure (emotional well-being) by saying something such as that life is not about pleasure and that there are more important things in life greater than your pleasure, these are opinions that I would absolutely hate which is another reason I have presented my arguments here for pleasure in the event that there are such people so I can at least try to convince them otherwise.

You would hate it if pleasure was a particular interest of yours, such as happen when you become obsessed with it. You wouldn't hate unless you had real proprietary interest. If you don't, you would be able to think of others things and perhaps see things in a different light.