~~~ Zombies, Who do Not Seek to Understand ~~~

[Bill Wiltrack]

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There are advanced philosophical and even spiritual disciplines that understand that the human being is made-up of certain definite and definable functions.

These are;


Instinctive function – body functions that require no thought.
Example; Blood flow, digestive system

Moving function – body functions that need to be learned.
Example; Riding a bike, skipping

Sexual function – all aspects involving sex.
Example; Reproductive and associative actions

Emotional function – Emotive
Example; all positive emotions

Intellectual function – All mental reproduction
Example; Mental narration, mathematics


There are also two higher functions that we do not normally experience;
Higher emotional
Higher intellectual



These seven functions of a human being is ALL WE HAVE.

These functions may be divided or represented in different categories depending upon which philosophical or esoteric spiritual discipline they appear in.


There are also four states of being that a normal, healthy, individual could experience.



As philosophers, REAL philosophers, we can conceive that we, we as human beings, we are NOT our functions.

We are consciousness.

We have the ability to observe our selves; our body, our emotions, our thoughts.


We are different from all other life forms that we know in the degree of our ability to be self-conscious.


Being self-conscious is extremely difficult.


For we naturally grow attached to our functions; our body, our emotions, our thoughts.


We will never, and cannot ever, think our way out.

Doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that really matters is observing the function of thought.



STOP thinking.


Stop the narration.


Watch thoughts as individual egos. Nothing more.



Thoughts are dead. Zombies, who do not seek to understand.


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[Arising_uk]

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There are also two higher functions that we do not normally experience;
Higher emotional
Higher intellectual

No examples?

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There are also four states of being that a normal, healthy, individual could experience.

Such as?

As philosophers, REAL philosophers, we can conceive that we, we as human beings, we are NOT our functions.

You just said thats all we have?

We are consciousness.

Actually all you can say is, 'I am conscious'.

We have the ability to observe our selves; our body, our emotions, our thoughts.

And yet you appear not to be able to explain how?

We are different from all other life forms that we know in the degree of our ability to be self-conscious.

Make your mind up as either its "all" or its a "degree".

Being self-conscious is extremely difficult.

What difference do you have between 'consciousness' and 'self-consciousness'?

For we naturally grow attached to our functions; our body, our emotions, our thoughts.

We are these things, that you keep trying to be something other than them is your error.

We will never, and cannot ever, think our way out.

Thats because there is no 'out' out there. You are chasing a chimera because you don't like how you think. Learn to think better or as I prefer, learn to thought.

Doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that really matters is observing the function of thought.

No, the thing that matters is to order your thoughts to match your actions, goals and outcomes, i.e. to make sure your thoughts are congruent, i.e. you have a clear image, everything sounds right, any smells are pleasant, tastes are good and your 'feelings' fit with the whole package, and any set of sequences run together.

STOP thinking.

Think better or at least think coherently with your emotions would be a start.

Stop the narration.

This is a useful, got any tips on how to do it? As I have.

Watch thoughts as individual egos. Nothing more.

Who's watching the watcher as I'd say that it'd be a thought and therefore an 'individual ego'(I'll ignore the mish-mash you make of these two terms and the superfluousness of joining them as I know you are hard of thought).

Thoughts are dead. Zombies, who do not seek to understand. [/size]

Your thoughts are dead you mean.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Yes. My thoughts are dead. Our thoughts are dead. ALL thoughts are dead.


Individual blind egos.


The only real part of us...the only alive part of us is the silence, the deep emptiness of self-consciousness.




Doesn't matter what you think.


You're never going to think your way out of this.


Doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that really matters is observing the function of thought.






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[Blaggard]

The only function you have Dave is to post nonsense with a regularity perhaps that is only surpassed by the average politician who is running in an election.

Dave for President I suppose...

[WanderingLands]

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Yes. My thoughts are dead. Our thoughts are dead. ALL thoughts are dead.

Individual blind egos.

The only real part of us...the only alive part of us is the silence, the deep emptiness of self-consciousness.

Doesn't matter what you think.

You're never going to think your way out of this.

Doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that really matters is observing the function of thought.

How are all thoughts dead? What is your evidence or reasoning for it, if they are dead? How are we "never going to think" our "way out of this"? If we can't explain existence, then what should we do instead?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'Different from all other life forms...'??? How typically, humanly arrogant.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Well Bill, I think I understand the crux of your thread, but you can be a bit flamboyant in it's conveyance. It's obvious that, largely, only you know what you're talking about.

It is true that most place ego before reason, due to all kinds of insecurities, and fears, and we all do it, in one way or another, to some extent or another, such is the human 'animal.'

Was that your main point? Further, would you like people to stop and critique themselves honestly?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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My thesis statement for this thread: Of the thousands of individual egos that each of us have within us, none seek to be conscious.


Self-consciousness is the observation of our individual egos.


In that way most, if not all, of our individual egos are like zombies. Dead, yet appearing to be alive.






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* Generally, we only seek self-consciousness when we realize we have fuck-up our lives so badly that only something other than ourselves must be present in order for immediate survival of the host.


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[Arising_uk]

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My thesis statement for this thread: Of the thousands of individual egos that each of us have within us, none seek to be conscious. ...

You don't have a thesis as if you did you'd be discussing it.

Ignoring that the 'ego' is a disputable term, especially if you're using the Fraudian interpretation, why do you insist upon using the redundant word 'individual' in connection with it? Are there non-individualistic 'egos'!?

How about this one, what is the "each of us" if there are thousands of egos "within us"??

Or maybe this, if these things are 'egos' then how on earth can they not be conscious!?

Self-consciousness is the observation of our individual egos.

Once fucking more, what is this self-consciousness if not an 'ego' and how does it hold a position above all these other 'egos'

In that way most, if not all, of our individual egos are like zombies. Dead, yet appearing to be alive.

See the above for the problem with this 'individual ego'.

What the hell is a zombie when its at home. You do know they are a fiction don't you?

* Generally, we only seek self-consciousness when we realize we have fuck-up our lives so badly that only something other than ourselves must be present in order for immediate survival of the host.

Correction - you only seek this thing because you have fucked-up your life so badly and apparently either wish to commit suicide or are on a path of self-destruction and are unable to change.

What is this "host" that you yak on about?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I think you understand.


I honestly think that some of the other members here that may happen upon this thread understand.




If you honestly don't understand then you are not meant to.



Perhaps I give you too much credit.



Either way, it's alright.



I am believing less & less in words and our ability to meaningfully communicate in that way with each other.







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[Arising_uk]

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I think you understand.

Oh I understand the gnu well enough.

I honestly think that some of the other members here that may happen upon this thread understand.

Sure, acolytes abound for such nonsense.

If you honestly don't understand then you are not meant to.

The oft repeated cry of the gnu.

Perhaps I give you too much credit.

You do in your refusal to address critique.

Either way, it's alright.

Of course it is Bill as your NPD will always make it so.

I am believing less & less in words and our ability to meaningfully communicate in that way with each other.
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That's because you've never bothered to learn to use them correctly with respect to your thoughts and communication with others.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Arising_uk]

That's you that is.

[Blaggard]

Bob everyone and I mean everyone is not you. If they are not you it doesn't mean they are somehow deficient mate, not being you is perhaps if not a bad thing, but perhaps a thing. I somehow don't think you are a necromancer or a lich who looks upon the undead as their servants, or can raise them to serve, in the same way calling people who are not you a zombie is the sort of thing a 5 year old would perhaps do. There are people out there, and don't get me wrong some of course are what you say in a way but not in the way you imagine. But to be that far up your own asshole that you need to make a thread about how much better you are than other people is but another fall of man. The human race is fickle and flawed to go around moaning about how it doesn't meet up to your high standards just sounds like you are a bit of a baby who expects too much out of other people. People are quite good at being people, some are intelligent some are dumb and vivre le difference, some are called dave like you bob, but to set out to categorise a person for their genetics or for whatever else you want to pass off as self righteous bilge. is the sort of thing you would expect from an idiot. So in fact i say perhaps you are the zombie? Spend your life judgin others as inferior as a lot of morons do, but do so and you have I think not actually spent anything. People who go round calling other people x or y who don't meet up to their expecations are place holders for better people. I'm not sure why they think somehow they are mighty in the face of their meekness, but to be of mickle might you need to actually have some reason to believe you are of mickle might not just post wankery on a forum like you are the next Jebus,

Think about it... or don't but there are a lot of different people in the world, and that is probably a strength be they x or y or z, it doesn't make them retarded, in fact to say that those who are different are somehow the living dead makes you retarded, but then I know you wont reply to anything coherent, because you are just a bot, who talks wank. Bot program 10fu8 bob or is it dave I forget.

Bob's a bot, a computer program, if he was a person he couldn't possibly be that retarded. Guys bob is a not a person if he is he shows no signs ironically of life.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Bob everyone and I mean everyone is not you. If they are not you it doesn't mean they are somehow deficient mate, not being you is perhaps if not a bad thing, but perhaps a thing. I somehow don't think you are a necromancer or a lich who looks upon the undead as their servants, or can raise them to serve, in the same way calling people who are not you a zombie is the sort of thing a 5 year old would perhaps do. There are people out there, and don't get me wrong some of course are what you say in a way but not in the way you imagine. But to be that far up your own asshole that you need to make a thread about how much better you are than other people is but another fall of man. The human race is fickle and flawed to go around moaning about how it doesn't meet up to your high standards just sounds like you are a bit of a baby who expects too much out of other people. People are quite good at being people, some are intelligent some are dumb and vivre le difference, some are called dave like you bob, but to set out to categorise a person for their genetics or for whatever else you want to pass off as self righteous bilge. is the sort of thing you would expect from an idiot. So in fact i say perhaps you are the zombie? Spend your life judgin others as inferior as a lot of morons do, but do so and you have I think not actually spent anything. People who go round calling other people x or y who don't meet up to their expecations are place holders for better people. I'm not sure why they think somehow they are mighty in the face of their meekness, but to be of mickle might you need to actually have some reason to believe you are of mickle might not just post wankery on a forum like you are the next Jebus,

Think about it... or don't but there are a lot of different people in the world, and that is probably a strength be they x or y or z, it doesn't make them retarded, in fact to say that those who are different are somehow the living dead makes you retarded, but then I know you wont reply to anything coherent, because you are just a bot, who talks wank. Bot program 10fu8 bob or is it dave I forget.

Bob's a bot, a computer program, if he was a person he couldn't possibly be that retarded. Guys bob is a not a person if he is he shows no signs ironically of life.

Don't you mean 'Bill'?