Quantum particles and Aether.

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Quantum particles and Aether.

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Quantum particles and Aether.

Maybe you know that surrounding space ( a reference frame )
makes influence on the objects that exist there.
For example, the fish in the water has another form than
animals which live in the forest or savanna.
The same is about quantum particles and aether.
Quantum particles exist in an Aether.
The physical parameters of aether is near to T=0K.
This thermodynamic condition has influence on quantum particles.
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According to Charle’s law and the consequence of the
third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature
of a system approaches absolute zero the volume of particles
approaches zero too. It means the particles must have flat forms.
They must have geometrical form of a circle: pi= c /d =3,14 . .
( All another geometrical forms : triangle, square, rectangle . . .etc
have angles and to create angles need forces,
without forces all geometrical forms must turn into circle.)
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If physicists use string-particle (particle that has length but
hasn’t thickness -volume) to understand reality
(and have some basic problems to solve this task) then
why don’t use circle-particle for this aim ?
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The creators of quantum physics
( Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, de Broglie, . . Feynman . . . and others )
wanted to understand the reality of quantum micro-world
visually and literally as in the classical physics, but , . . without success .
And today's physicists (creating many abstractions ) invented the slogan :

' We want to protect ourselves from too literally
and therefore vulgar comprehension.'

Maybe this is scientific joke, maybe it is their motto
but from scientific point of view our existence seems paradoxical.

Can the real and visual existence of everything around us
( or the beginning of existence of everything )
be paradoxical or it have logical explanation ?
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And we cannot understand reality without reference frame – aether.
Without to understand what aether is all debates is tautology.
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Obviously we have to accept the fact that we are not able to understand everything. Beyond certain limits we are left with phenomenology only. We are trapped (with our 3-D causality and logical categories) in a "drop" of the universe. An elusive, "unbreathable", formless "FUTURE" is around...
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If you travel quickly enough, there is no future...

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Impenitent wrote:If you travel quickly enough, there is no future...

-Imp
1
If you travel with a speed less - less than constant speed
of quantum of light ( c < 1 ) then you have your present future
( sooner or later the death will come ).
2
If you travel quickly enough ( with constant speed
of quantum of light c = 1) then the time doesn't 'exist for you
and you don't know your future.
3
If you travel quickly enough (with speed faster than quantum of light c > 1)
then sooner or later a new time and future will come to you.
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Of course, it is a fantastic hypothesis. (!)
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Impenitent wrote:If you travel quickly enough, there is no future...
-Imp
The thing is just the opposite: mass can not travel faster than c because it can not outrun the time (the speed of the growth of the universe). It can not leave the presence.
By the way, do you think that the photon has no future? Definitely yes: either it will be (somewhere) distracted / deflected or absorbed by the matter. It rises towards "the future" on the surface of the past - in the present.
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that supposes of course that mind (that which perceives time) is material...

does a photon have a mind enough to know when it is?

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Impenitent wrote:If you travel quickly enough, there is no future...

-Imp
More details.

1
If you travel with a speed less - less than constant speed
of quantum of light ( c < 1 ) then you have your present future
( sooner or later the death will come ).
The classical deterministic principle works in this situation.
2
If you travel quickly enough ( with constant speed
of quantum of light c = 1) then the time doesn't 'exist for you
and you don't know your future.
3
If you travel quickly enough (with speed faster than quantum of light c > 1)
then sooner or later a new time and future will come to you.
Heisenberg Uncertainty principle need to use here.
4.
Of course, a person cannot travel with such speed,
but a quantum particle has this possibility.
For example:
When speed of the photon is c=1 then time exists as an infinite time
(an eternity) as for photon as also for its reference frame.
But photon can destroy this eternity and create a time - phenomena .
We call such time - phenomena / effect: 'vacuum fluctuation'.
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Impenitent wrote:that supposes of course that mind (that which perceives time) is material...

does a photon have a mind enough to know when it is?

-Imp
Another points.
Does quantum particle have future ?
Is time directly correlated to light ?
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socratus wrote:
Impenitent wrote:that supposes of course that mind (that which perceives time) is material...
does a photon have a mind enough to know when it is?
-Imp
Another points.
Does quantum particle have future ?
Is time directly correlated to light ?
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Quantum particle is an event, a change (in the presence) - it is a manifestation of the reality, a phenomenon...
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Cerveny wrote:
socratus wrote:
Impenitent wrote:that supposes of course that mind (that which perceives time) is material...
does a photon have a mind enough to know when it is?
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Another points.
Does quantum particle have future ?
Is time directly correlated to light ?
=.
Quantum particle is an event, a change (in the presence) -
it is a manifestation of the reality, a phenomenon...
what conclusion did you come to draw ?
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socratus wrote:
Cerveny wrote:
socratus wrote: Another points.
Does quantum particle have future ?
Is time directly correlated to light ?
=.
Quantum particle is an event, a change (in the presence) -
it is a manifestation of the reality, a phenomenon...
what conclusion did you come to draw ?
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We do not know anything about the "electron" until it takes effect. Only the concrete manifestation and specific consequences tells us: it was an "electron" - what follows is another story...
See Quantum theory of measurement (better: quantum interactions) too...
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socratus wrote: If you travel quickly enough ( with constant speed
of quantum of light c = 1) then the time doesn't 'exist for you
and you don't know your future..
Time is what happens; it is a moot point whether there is any such thing as 'time' in the absence of anything happening to measure it by, frankly I doubt it. If there is, you have a situation analogous to the mind/body problem in that you have to explain how matter and time interact. The thing is, c refers to the speed of light in a vacuum. If by vacuum the idea is an absence of fermions, then the closest thing to it is intergalactic space, where there is reckoned to be something nominal like one particle per cubic metre. In those circumstances, the chances of anything 'physical' happening are negligible, but the future of some photons will be a collision. But even in intergalactic space there are gravitational (and possibly other)fields that a photon passes through, had it a mind to do so, it would feel these changes and would thus have a sense of time.
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I thought Feynman's QED said that Light takes all possible paths and 'settles' on the one with the shortest timepath or it takes all the paths but they cancel out leaving the shortest time one or some such.

Great book QED written for the non-physicist attempting to explain what the physicist does in words we can understand. He was without doubt one of the best at trying to explain what he did to the layman.
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Arising_uk wrote:I thought Feynman's QED said that Light takes all possible paths and 'settles' on the one with the shortest timepath or it takes all the paths but they cancel out leaving the shortest time one or some such.

Great book QED written for the non-physicist attempting to explain what the physicist does in words we can understand. He was without doubt one of the best at trying to explain what he did to the layman.
I have a problem to believe in mainstream books when the gravitation is hopelessly quantized for eighty years and no one knows what (and where) a seventy percent of (dark) reality is :(
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